Re: [agi] Growing a Brain in Switzerland

2007-04-05 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Thu, Apr 05, 2007 at 11:34:09AM +0200, Shane Legg wrote: The wiring is not determined by the genome, it's only a facility envelope. Some wiring is genetic, and some is not. On a large scale genes No, the wiring is not genetically determined. There is no specific gene

Re: [agi] Growing a Brain in Switzerland

2007-04-05 Thread Shane Legg
On 4/4/07, Eugen Leitl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: how do you reconcile the fact that babies are very stupid compared to adults? Babies have no less genetic hardware than adults but the difference The wiring is not determined by the genome, it's only a facility envelope. Some wiring is

Re: [agi] Growing a Brain in Switzerland

2007-04-05 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Thu, Apr 05, 2007 at 12:20:54PM +0200, Shane Legg wrote: That two specific neurons are not wired together due to genetics does not mean that there is not wiring that is genetically determined. The brain contains a huge about of wiring information that comes from the genes.

Re: [agi] Growing a Brain in Switzerland

2007-04-05 Thread Shane Legg
On 4/5/07, Eugen Leitl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I forget the exact number, but I think something like 20% of the human genome describes the brain. If somebody is interested in building a No, it codes for the brain tissue. That's something very different from describing the brain. See

Re: [agi] Growing a Brain in Switzerland

2007-04-05 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Thu, Apr 05, 2007 at 02:03:32PM +0200, Shane Legg wrote: I didn't mean to imply that all this was for wiring, just that there is a sizable about of information used to construct the brain that comes from the genes. No disagreement. Apart from sizable. A few gigabases doesn't

Re: [agi] Growing a Brain in Switzerland

2007-04-05 Thread Richard Loosemore
Unless I am much mistaken, this is what Eugen is trying to say: If we were aliens, trying to understand a bunch of chess-playing IBM supercomputers that we had just discovered on an expedition to Earth, we might start by noticing that they all had very similar gross wiring patterns, where

Re: [agi] Growing a Brain in Switzerland

2007-04-05 Thread David Clark
- Original Message - From: Shane Legg To: agi@v2.listbox.com Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 5:03 AM Subject: Re: [agi] Growing a Brain in Switzerland Yes, I agree, it's in the data rather than the code. But I don't accept that you can say that their model is simple.