Re: [agi] Opensource Business Model

2007-05-30 Thread Samantha Atkins
J. Andrew Rogers wrote: On May 30, 2007, at 4:24 PM, Russell Wallace wrote: I don't think patenting algorithms is a good thing - algorithms are essentially ideas, and ideas should not be treated as property. All patents are ideas and algorithms. Not quite. Would you patent the quadratic e

Re: [agi] Opensource Business Model

2007-05-30 Thread Samantha Atkins
YKY (Yan King Yin) wrote: Hi Ben and others, Let's analyse the opensource vs closed-source issue in more detail... (limericks are not arugments!) 1. I guess the biggest turn-off about opensource is that it may allow competitors to look at our source and steal our ideas / algorithms. We u

Re: [agi] Opensource Business Model

2007-05-30 Thread J. Andrew Rogers
On May 30, 2007, at 4:24 PM, Russell Wallace wrote: I don't think patenting algorithms is a good thing - algorithms are essentially ideas, and ideas should not be treated as property. All patents are ideas and algorithms. There is nothing to distinguish a classical CompSci algorithm from

Re: [agi] Opensource Business Model

2007-05-30 Thread Benjamin Goertzel
Hi YKY, There're some things about Novamente that I don't agree with, but you've heard my points before. Some other features I think may reduce NM's popularity, if we were to make it opensource: I have no plans to make Novamente open-source, but I feel I should correct some of your misconcep

Re: [agi] Opensource Business Model

2007-05-30 Thread Matt Mahoney
Before I would join an AGI project like YKY suggests, I would want to see the following: 1. A project goal. "AGI" is too vague. Do you want to build a better search engine, or a robot that will babysit your kids? 2. A realistic design. YKY's approach, as I understand it, is centered around a s

Re: [agi] Opensource Business Model

2007-05-30 Thread Russell Wallace
On 5/30/07, YKY (Yan King Yin) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 2b) Another thing we can do is to patent our designs and algorithms (so there will be a grace period of 1 year between disclosing something on our forums and patenting it). I don't think patenting algorithms is a good thing - algorit

[agi] Introducing Systems AGI & Systems Psychology

2007-05-30 Thread Mike Tintner
Derek Zahn: you have to have a theory of mind One of the interesting things about current AGI projects like Ben's & Stan F's (is there any other?) is that they do indeed constitute not so much theories as models of mind - illustrated by charts in Ben's essay on Kurzweil's site. In essence, th

Re: [agi] Opensource Business Model

2007-05-30 Thread YKY (Yan King Yin)
I will put up a wiki in a few days, where people who'd like to contribute ideas can post them. All contributions will be credited and may form the basis of rewards later. Let's try this informally first. Also, I'm looking for concrete, technical ideas / algorithms, not general talk like "free w

RE: [agi] Opensource Business Model

2007-05-30 Thread John G. Rose
This list hits all the main points. There can be slight variations but most all of the successful open source projects that I've utilized follow this pattern. There are some projects that start with a donation of code from a commercial codebase. Most projects tend to be modular. Some projects d

Re: [agi] Opensource Business Model

2007-05-30 Thread Michael Baj
While I don't think that Eric Raymond is the authority on a successful open source model, he certainly has shown much success in his open source projects. The work that he has done has laid the groundwork for developing in the "bazaar" enviroment. If you have not read "Cathedral and the Bazaar"

RE: [agi] Opensource Business Model

2007-05-30 Thread Derek Zahn
YKY writes: > I guess many are not so keen to join my project because they think opensource > makes it very hard to protect their ideas.Here's why I think nobody is > jumping on your project: 1) Those with ongoing projects likely see the costs (in terms of lost proprietary interest and futur

Re: [agi] Opensource Business Model

2007-05-30 Thread YKY (Yan King Yin)
I guess many are not so keen to join my project because they think opensource makes it very hard to protect their ideas. I'll offer an explanation of why it's feasible: 1) Firstly, the source code will be under a special license that *prohibits * copying and modifying the source *except* under