Re: [agi] The Missing Piece

2007-02-20 Thread Andrii (lOkadin) Zvorygin
The key to life the universe and everything: All things can be expressed using any Universal Computer You are a Universal Computer (one that can read(remmember/imagine), write(experience), erase(forget)). All the things you believe/know/understand are true. I believe the key to AI rests in

Re: [agi] The Missing Piece

2007-02-20 Thread Andrii (lOkadin) Zvorygin
I've actually been in really different universes. Where you could write text and it would do as you instructed. I tried checking out the filesystem but it was barren and bin was empty *shrugs*. Like I said, You don't have to believe me if you don't want to. I am but another one of your

Re: [agi] Development Environments for AI (a few non-religious comments!)

2007-02-20 Thread Richard Loosemore
Chuck Esterbrook wrote: On 2/19/07, Richard Loosemore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow, I leave off email for two days and a 55-message Religious War breaks out! ;-) I promise this is nothing to do with languages I do or do not like (i.e. it is non-religious...). As many people pointed out,

Re: [agi] Development Environments for AI (a few non-religious comments!)

2007-02-20 Thread Mark Waser
My real point is that you don't really need a new dev env for this. Richard is talking about some *substantial* architecture here -- not just a development environment but a *lot* of core library routines (as you later speculate) and functionality that is either currently spread across

Re: [agi] The Missing Piece

2007-02-20 Thread Bo Morgan
On Tue, 20 Feb 2007, Richard Loosemore wrote: ) Bo Morgan wrote: ) On Tue, 20 Feb 2007, Richard Loosemore wrote: ) ) In regard to your comments about complexity theory: from what I understand, ) it is primarily about taking simple physics models and trying to explain ) complicated datasets

Re: [agi] Development Environments for AI (a few non-religious comments!)

2007-02-20 Thread Russell Wallace
On 2/20/07, Mark Waser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Realistically, you'll have an AGI before the environment is completed . . . . I think you slightly underestimate the difficulty of creating AGI ;) Personally, I'd start with a commercial extensible development environment and a

Re: **SPAM** Re: [agi] Development Environments for AI (a few non-religious comments!)

2007-02-20 Thread Mark Waser
I think you slightly underestimate the difficulty of creating AGI ;) I think that you grossly underestimate the magnitude of what is being proposed because the tag development environment has been attached to it.:-) Realistically, the development environment is both the AGI's DNA *and*

Re: [agi] The Missing Piece

2007-02-20 Thread Ben Goertzel
Richard Loosemore wrote: Ben Goertzel wrote: It's pretty clear that humans don't run FOPC as a native code, but that we can learn it as a trick. I disagree. I think that Hebbian learning between cortical columns is essentially equivalent to basic probabilistic term logic.

Re: **SPAM** Re: [agi] Development Environments for AI (a few non-religious comments!)

2007-02-20 Thread Russell Wallace
On 2/20/07, Mark Waser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think that you grossly underestimate the magnitude of what is being proposed because the tag development environment has been attached to it.:-) *grin* No, I think it's a big project, at least the version I have in mind (on my to-do list

Re: [agi] Development Environments for AI (a few non-religious comments!)

2007-02-20 Thread Russell Wallace
On 2/20/07, Ben Goertzel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Novamente works fine on 64-bit machines -- but it took nearly a man-month of work to 64-bit-ify the code, which was done back in 2004... I guess I stand corrected on that one! - This list is sponsored by AGIRI: http://www.agiri.org/email

Re: **SPAM** Re: [agi] Development Environments for AI (a few non-religious comments!)

2007-02-20 Thread Ben Goertzel
Also, why would 32 - 64 bit be a problem, provided you planned for it in advance? Name all the large, long-term projects that you know of that *haven't* gotten bitten by something like this. Now, name all of the large, long-term projects that you know of that HAVE gotten bitten repeatedly

Re: [agi] Development Environments for AI (a few non-religious comments!)

2007-02-20 Thread Chuck Esterbrook
On 2/20/07, Richard Loosemore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... It helps to remember that my target users are cognitive scientists who want to be able to stay in a high-level thought mode (fancy way of saying that my users ain't gonna be hackers). Now I see why it would be a dev env, both from the

[agi] Re: Languages for AGI

2007-02-20 Thread Matt Mahoney
I think choosing an architecture for AGI is a much more important problem than choosing a language. But there are some things we already know about AGI. First, AGI requires a vast amount of knowledge, and therefore a vast amount of computation. Therefore, at least part of the AGI will have