Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8561-8572

2021-06-08 Thread Gaelan Steele via agora-business



> On Jun 8, 2021, at 3:54 PM, Gaelan Steele  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jun 8, 2021, at 9:17 AM, ais523 via agora-business 
>> mailto:agora-business@agoranomic.org>> wrote:
>> 
>> I intend, with 2 Agoran Consent, to make this proposal democratic.
> 
> I support.
> 
> Gaelan
pf

BUS: Covering some bases

2021-06-08 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-business
I object to all intents to declare Apathy.

-- 
Jason Cobb

Assessor, Rulekeepor, S​tonemason



BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8561-8572

2021-06-08 Thread Rose Strong via agora-business
I vote FOR on all.

On Tue, Jun 8, 2021 at 12:36 PM Rose Strong  wrote:

> I vote FOR on all.
>
> On Sun, Jun 6, 2021 at 7:15 PM Aris Merchant via agora-official <
> agora-offic...@agoranomic.org> wrote:
>
>> PROMOTOR'S REPORT; BACKDATED IN PART TO 03:00 UTC June 6, 2021.
>>
>> I hereby distribute each listed proposal, initiating a referendum on it,
>> and removing it from the proposal pool. For this decision, the vote
>> collector
>> is the Assessor, the quorum is 3, the voting method is AI-majority, and
>> the
>> valid options are FOR and AGAINST (PRESENT is also a valid vote, as are
>> conditional votes).
>>
>> ID  Author(s)   AITitle
>>
>> ---
>> 8561&   G., nix 2.0   Election Cycle
>> 8562*   ATMunn, Aris3.0   Officializing Discord
>> 8563&   Aris1.7   Determinacy is a Good Thing
>> 8564&   Aris1.0   Sponsorship is not Co-authorship
>> 8565&   Aris1.0   Popularity Contest
>> 8566*   Jason   3.0   Anti-AI escalation
>> 8567*   Jason   3.0   AI voting method clarification
>> 8568*   Jason   3.0   Supporter/Objector clarification
>> 8569*   Jason, Aris, Murphy 3.0   Fixing Festivals
>> 8570*   Jason   3.1   Emergency Regulation Clarification
>> 8571&   Jason   2.0   Gauntlet announcement patch
>> 8572&   Jason, Trigon   2.0   Thou shalt not disobey Trigon
>>
>> Pool report: At 03:00 UTC on June 6, 2021, the proposal pool
>> contained (only) the above proposals.
>>
>> Legend: * : Democratic proposal.
>> & : Ordinary proposal.
>> ~ : Unsponsored proposal.
>>
>> The full text of the aforementioned proposal(s) is included below. Where
>> the information shown below differs from the information shown above,
>> the information shown above shall control.
>>
>> //
>> ID: 8561
>> Title: Election Cycle
>> Adoption index: 2.0
>> Author: G.
>> Co-author(s): nix
>>
>>
>> Create a power=2 rule, "The Election Cycle", with the following text:
>>
>>   A holder of an elected office who did not become its holder by
>>   winning an election, and has not won an election for that office
>>   since, is an interim holder. An elected office that is either
>>   vacant or has an interim holder is an interim office.
>>
>>   An office is term-limited if the most recent election for that
>>   office was resolved more than the length of that office's term
>>   prior. The term for the office of Prime Minister is 90 days. The
>>   term for all other elected offices is 180 days.
>>
>>   A player CAN initiate an election for a specified elected office:
>>
>>   a) with 2 support, if either the office is interim or term-
>>  limited, and provided that the initiator becomes a candidate
>>  in the same message.
>>
>>   b) By announcement, if e is the ADoP (or, if the office is the
>>  ADoP, if e is the Assessor) and the office is interim, or if
>>  e is the holder of that office.
>>
>>   Once per quarter, the ADoP CAN and SHALL publish a Notice of
>>   Election specifying between 2-4 term-limited offices (if there
>>   fewer than 2 term-limited offices, the ADoP MUST instead list
>>   all of them).  Such a notice initiates elections for the
>>   specified offices.  The ADoP SHOULD prioritize offices that
>>   have gone longest since their last elections.
>>
>>   The above notwithstanding, an election for an office CANNOT be
>>   initiated if one is already in progress.
>>
>>
>> [Delete this section added to the previous rule - better gathers
>> election procedure rules in one place].
>>
>> Amend Rule 1006 (Offices) by removing:
>>   A holder of an elected office who did not become its holder by
>>   winning an election, and has not won an election for that office
>>   since, is an interim holder. An elected office that is either
>>   vacant or has an interim holder is an interim office.
>>
>>
>> [For the below rule, remove text placed in the new rule above,
>> and add the Assessor as the vote collector for ADoP elections].
>>
>> Amend Rule 2154 (Election Procedure) to read in full:
>>
>>   When an election is initiated, it enters the nomination period,
>>   which lasts for 4 days. After an election is initiated and until
>>   nominations close, any player CAN become a candidate by
>>   announcement. A candidate ceases to be a candidate if e ceases to
>>   be a player during the election or if holding the office would
>>   make em Overpowered. During the nomination period, a candidate CAN
>>   cease to be a candidate by announcement if there is at least one
>>   other candidate.
>>
>>   An election whose nomination period is complete is contested if it
>>   has two or more candidates, and uncontested otherwise. Nominations
>>   close at the end of the poll's voting period or 

Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8561-8572

2021-06-08 Thread Rose Strong via agora-business
I vote FOR all


On Tue, Jun 8, 2021 at 12:23 PM Jason Cobb via agora-business <
agora-business@agoranomic.org> wrote:

> On 6/6/21 10:42 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote:
> >> 8568*   Jason   3.0   Supporter/Objector clarification
> > FOR
> >
> >
>
> *sigh*
>
> I change that vote to AGAINST because of the potential bug that ais523
> pointed out.
>
> --
> Jason Cobb
>
> Assessor, Rulekeepor, S​tonemason
>
>


Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8561-8572

2021-06-08 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-business
On 6/6/21 10:42 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote:
>> 8568*   Jason   3.0   Supporter/Objector clarification
> FOR
>
>

*sigh*

I change that vote to AGAINST because of the potential bug that ais523
pointed out.

-- 
Jason Cobb

Assessor, Rulekeepor, S​tonemason



Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8561-8572

2021-06-08 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-business
On 6/8/21 12:17 PM, ais523 via agora-business wrote:
> On Sun, 2021-06-06 at 16:14 -0700, Aris Merchant via agora-official
> wrote:
>> ID: 8565
>> Enact a new power 1.0 Rule entitled "Popularity Contest",
>> with the following text:
>>
>>   Immediately after the adoption of this rule, Aris wins the
>>   game.
>> [...]
> I intend, with 2 Agoran Consent, to make this proposal democratic.


I object.

-- 
Jason Cobb

Assessor, Rulekeepor, S​tonemason



BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8561-8572

2021-06-08 Thread ais523 via agora-business
On Sun, 2021-06-06 at 16:14 -0700, Aris Merchant via agora-official
wrote:
> ID: 8565
> Enact a new power 1.0 Rule entitled "Popularity Contest",
> with the following text:
> 
>   Immediately after the adoption of this rule, Aris wins the
>   game.
> [...]
I intend, with 2 Agoran Consent, to make this proposal democratic.

(Note to counter-scamsters: I have some doubt about whether this
actually works to prevent this rule being forced through using Extra
Votes, because rule 2422 refers to the concept of an "ordinary
referendum" which isn't currently rules-defined, but it will work if
"ordinary referendum" is interpreted as "referendum on an ordinary
proposal".)

> ID: 8568
> [...]
>   An entity is not considered a Supporter or Objector to an intent solely
>   due to a purported support or objection made before the intent was
>   announced. An entity is not considered a Supporter to an intent if e has
>   previously ceased to be a Supporter, and e is not considered an Objector
>   to an intent if e has previously ceased to be an Objector.
So anyone who's previously withdrawn an objection to any intent cannot
cannot object to any further intents, ever? I think you missed a rather
important "to it", and am worried that this will end up completely
breaking without-objection in a very scammable way. So I'm pointing
this out in the hope that people vote the proposal down (until it can
be fixed).

-- 
ais523



BUS: (@treasuror) Re: OFF: [Assessor] Reward for Proposal 8560

2021-06-08 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-business


On 6/4/2021 5:54 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-official wrote:
> For the adoption of Proposal 8560, I grant G. 2-0=2 boatloads of coins.
> 

I gain one legislative card (popularity) for the abovementioned proposal.

-G.



(@treasuror) Re: BUS: Possibly my most interesting registration ever

2021-06-08 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-business


Haha that's a nice little trick - double the starting bonus, here's the
other part of the reward:

I cause ais523 to receive a Welcome Package.

On 6/8/2021 8:45 AM, ais523 via agora-business wrote:
> I register.
> 


BUS: Judging interest

2021-06-08 Thread ais523 via agora-business
I declare that I'm interested in judging CFJs.

-- 
ais523



[cfj] Re: BUS: Nothing to Worry About [attn. Treasuror, Assessor]

2021-06-08 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-business


CFJ:  Aris bought strength at least once in the below message.
Barring: Aris

Arguments:

I believe this should be FALSE.  Buying strength is a fee-based action.
The below message does not (as per Rule 2579):
>specify the correct set of
> assets for the fee and indicate intent to pay that fee for the
> sole purpose of using that method to perform that action.


On 6/7/2021 9:41 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-business wrote:
> I give Trigon 120 coins.
> 
> I pay 4 voting cards as set to gain 10 extra votes.
> I pay 2 voting cards as a set to gain 3 extra votes.
> 
> I give Trigon 8 extra votes.
> 
> I buy strength.
> I buy strength.
> I buy strength.
> I buy strength.
> I buy strength.
> I buy strength.
> I buy strength.
> I buy strength.
> I buy strength.
> I buy strength.
> I buy strength.
> I buy strength.
> 
> -Aris
> 


Re: BUS: [proposal] click whirrrr THUNK damn

2021-06-08 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-business
On 6/8/21 11:25 AM, Kerim Aydin via agora-business wrote:
> I submit the following proposal:
>
> 
>
> Title:  The Device
> AI: 1
> Coauthor: Murphy
>
> [inspired by Rules 2192-2193, "The Monster", by Murphy]
>
>
> Enact a Rule "The Device" with the following text:
>
>   When the device is on:
> * click - hummm
>
>   When the device is off:
> * whirr - THUNK
>

Some further notes:


> Enact a Rule "The Mad Engineer" with the following text:
>
>   The Mad Engineer is an office; its holder is responsible for
>   building and maintaining the Device.  The device is a
>   singleton switch with values off (default) and on.  The Mad
>   Engineer CAN flip the device to either on or off with Agoran
>   Consent; any other player CAN do so with 2 Agoran Consent.
>
>   The Mad Engineer CAN act on behalf of
>   the device to take any action that the device may take, and
>   SHALL act on behalf of the device to ensure that the device
>   fulfills all of its duties.
>
>   The Mad Engineer's weekly duties include the performance of the
>   following tasks, in order:
>
>   a) Randomly select exactly one rule.  If the selected rule is
>  either this rule or the rule "The Device", then
>  007 has been spotted near the self-destruct button; skip
>  directly to proposal submission.


"skip directly to proposal submission" doesn't make sense, since no
proposals are being submitted.


>   d) Announce intent to, with Agoran Consent, cause this rule
>  to amend the rule "The Device" by inserting the modified
>  text as the last list item in either the "device on" or
>  "device off" lists in that rule (or, if 007 has been
>  spotted, to repeal both that rule and this one).
>  This intent announcement counts as the Mad Engineers's weekly
>  report.


The Mad Engineer can announce intent to repeal the two rules, but the
paragraph below doesn't provide any procedures by which the rules could
be repealed.


>
>   If the announcement of intent above is made with the procedure
>   described above, the Mad Engineer CAN, with Agoran Consent, cause
>   this rule to amend the rule "The Device" as indicated, and SHALL
>   do so if the intent receives sufficient support.


-- 
Jason Cobb

Assessor, Rulekeepor, S​tonemason



BUS: Re: OFF: [Prime Minister] Distribution of Proposal 8573

2021-06-08 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-business
On 6/8/21 11:30 AM, Kerim Aydin via agora-official wrote:
> I hereby issue a Cabinet Order of Manifesto, to distribute the below
> Proposal, initiating a referendum on it, and removing it from the proposal
> pool. For this decision, the vote collector is the Assessor, the quorum is
> 3, the voting method is AI-majority, and the valid options are FOR and
> AGAINST (PRESENT is also a valid vote, as are conditional votes).
>
> 
> ID: 8573
> Title:  The Device
> Adoption index: 1
> Author:  G.
> Coauthor: Murphy


I vote FOR.

-- 
Jason Cobb

Assessor, Rulekeepor, S​tonemason



BUS: (@assessor) pppppowerup

2021-06-08 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-business


I pay a fee of 1 Extra Vote to Buy Strength.
I pay a fee of 1 Extra Vote to Buy Strength.
I pay a fee of 1 Extra Vote to Buy Strength.
I pay a fee of 1 Extra Vote to Buy Strength.
I pay a fee of 1 Extra Vote to Buy Strength.

-G.



BUS: Possibly my most interesting registration ever

2021-06-08 Thread ais523 via agora-business
I register.

-- 
ais523



BUS: [Proposals] [@Treasuror] last-minute proposing

2021-06-08 Thread ATMunn via agora-business

I submit and pend each proposal listed below.

Title: Secret proposal A
Adoption index: 1.0
Author: ATMunn
Co-author(s):

{

If ATMunn has published a document entitled "Secret document A" with the 
SHA-256 hash of 
2dbdf2ae3d6f6d102d512cc12dae25ec8a7aa2a332da6cc5c271f205c946fdc2 before 
the enactment of this proposal, then the effects described in that 
document take place.


}


Title: Secret proposal B
Adoption index: 1.0
Author: ATMunn
Co-author(s):

{

If ATMunn has published a document entitled "Secret document B" with the 
SHA-256 hash of 
bf9e005c5f78e9dda0b3ffe7bef9d78b58a11fe7f3452b8cffc02de1a78b0b20 before 
the enactment of this proposal, then the effects described in that 
document take place.


}


Title: Secret proposal C
Adoption index: 1.0
Author: ATMunn
Co-author(s):

{

If ATMunn has published a document entitled "Secret document C" with the 
SHA-256 hash of 
8424391fc8b8d71a6d2c2f34a835f52f74712054da8ec57be97527d3a6319ed9 before 
the enactment of this proposal, then the effects described in that 
document take place.


}


Title: Secret proposal D
Adoption index: 1.0
Author: ATMunn
Co-author(s):

{

If ATMunn has published a document entitled "Secret document D" with the 
SHA-256 hash of 
0b20eac0c9928db31abed9046bff053e7a29cc4e65e46fb448d5e5f47a7611e1 before 
the enactment of this proposal, then the effects described in that 
document take place.


}

--
ATMunn
friendly neighborhood notary :)


BUS: [proposal] click whirrrr THUNK damn

2021-06-08 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-business


I submit the following proposal:



Title:  The Device
AI: 1
Coauthor: Murphy

[inspired by Rules 2192-2193, "The Monster", by Murphy]


Enact a Rule "The Device" with the following text:

  When the device is on:
* click - hummm

  When the device is off:
* whirr - THUNK


Enact a Rule "The Mad Engineer" with the following text:

  The Mad Engineer is an office; its holder is responsible for
  building and maintaining the Device.  The device is a
  singleton switch with values off (default) and on.  The Mad
  Engineer CAN flip the device to either on or off with Agoran
  Consent; any other player CAN do so with 2 Agoran Consent.

  The Mad Engineer CAN act on behalf of
  the device to take any action that the device may take, and
  SHALL act on behalf of the device to ensure that the device
  fulfills all of its duties.

  The Mad Engineer's weekly duties include the performance of the
  following tasks, in order:

  a) Randomly select exactly one rule.  If the selected rule is
 either this rule or the rule "The Device", then
 007 has been spotted near the self-destruct button; skip
 directly to proposal submission.

  b) Select one or more contiguous sentences from the selected
 rule.

  c) Select exactly one noun from the selected text, and replace
 each instance of that noun with "Device" (including
 grammatical variations, e.g. replacing "'s" with
 "Device's").

  d) Announce intent to, with Agoran Consent, cause this rule
 to amend the rule "The Device" by inserting the modified
 text as the last list item in either the "device on" or
 "device off" lists in that rule (or, if 007 has been
 spotted, to repeal both that rule and this one).
 This intent announcement counts as the Mad Engineers's weekly
 report.

  If the announcement of intent above is made with the procedure
  described above, the Mad Engineer CAN, with Agoran Consent, cause
  this rule to amend the rule "The Device" as indicated, and SHALL
  do so if the intent receives sufficient support.


G. becomes the holder of the office of Mad Engineer.

An election for Mad Engineer is initiated.





Re: BUS: [proposal] Strength Buying Separation [attn. Treasuror]

2021-06-08 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-business
On 6/8/21 10:49 AM, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote:
> I submit the following proposal, then pay a fee of one pendant to cause
> it to become pending:
>
> Title: Strength Buying Separation
>
> Adoption index: 3.0
>
> Author: Jason
>
> Coauthors: ais523, Trigon
>
> {
>
> Amend Rule 2422 by deleting the following text:
>
> {
>
> A player CAN Buy Strength by paying a fee of 1 Extra Vote. A player's
> Voting Strength on an ordinary referendum is 1 greater for every time e
> Bought Strength during that decision's voting period.
>
> }
>
>
> Enact a new Rule entitled "Buying Strength" with power 2 and text as
> follows:
>
> {
>
> A player CAN Buy Strength by paying a fee of 1 Extra Vote. A player's
> Voting Strength on an ordinary referendum is 1 greater for every time e
> Bought Strength during that decision's voting period.
>
> }
>
> }
>

I withdraw the above proposal.

I submit the following proposal, then pay a fee of one pendant to cause
it to become pending:

Title: Strength Buying Separation v2

Adoption index: 3.0

Author: Jason

Coauthors: ais523, Trigon

{

Amend Rule 2422 by deleting the following text:

{

A player CAN Buy Strength by paying a fee of 1 Extra Vote. A player's
Voting Strength on an ordinary referendum is 1 greater for every time e
Bought Strength during that decision's voting period.

}


Enact a new Rule entitled "Buying Strength" with power 2 and text as
follows:

{

A player CAN Buy Strength by paying a fee of 1 Extra Vote. A player's
Voting Strength on referendum on an ordinary proposal is 1 greater for
every time e Bought Strength during that decision's voting period.

}


[Fixes the ambiguity that ais523 pointed out, and also removes the usage
of the undefined term "ordinary referendum", replacing it with the
well-defined but clunky "referendum on an ordinary proposal".]

}

-- 
Jason Cobb

Assessor, Rulekeepor, S​tonemason



Re: BUS: Birthday

2021-06-08 Thread ATMunn via agora-business

On 6/2/2021 11:51 AM, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote:

It appears to be my Agoran Birthday once again. I'll just quote what I
wrote last time, since it still applies:


This has been a great year, and I've had an unreasonable amount of fun
for sending and receiving messages to a mailing list. Thanks to everyone
who has been a player for making this game what it is :).




Happy birthday!

I grant Jason 2 boatloads of coins.

--
ATMunn
friendly neighborhood notary :)


BUS: [proposal] Strength Buying Separation [attn. Treasuror]

2021-06-08 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-business
I submit the following proposal, then pay a fee of one pendant to cause
it to become pending:

Title: Strength Buying Separation

Adoption index: 3.0

Author: Jason

Coauthors: ais523, Trigon

{

Amend Rule 2422 by deleting the following text:

{

A player CAN Buy Strength by paying a fee of 1 Extra Vote. A player's
Voting Strength on an ordinary referendum is 1 greater for every time e
Bought Strength during that decision's voting period.

}


Enact a new Rule entitled "Buying Strength" with power 2 and text as
follows:

{

A player CAN Buy Strength by paying a fee of 1 Extra Vote. A player's
Voting Strength on an ordinary referendum is 1 greater for every time e
Bought Strength during that decision's voting period.

}

}

-- 
Jason Cobb

Assessor, Rulekeepor, S​tonemason



BUS: CFJ on the recent Voting Strength scramble

2021-06-08 Thread ais523 via agora-business
CFJ: A player who possesses 3 Blots can have their Voting Strength on a
particular decision go above 15 as a consequence of Buying Strength.

CFJ: A player who possesses 3 Blots cannot change their Voting Strength
via Buying Strength.

Evidence (for both):

{{{
Rule 2422/9 (Power=3)
Voting Strength

  The voting strength of an entity on an Agoran decision is an
  integer between 0 and 15 inclusive, defined by rules of power 2
  or greater. If not otherwise specified, the voting strength of
  an entity on an Agoran decision is 3.
  
  When multiple rules set or modify an entity's voting strength on
  an Agoran decision, it shall be determined by first applying the
  rule(s) which set it to a specific value, using the ordinary
  precedence of rules, and then applying the rules, other than
  this one, which modify it, in numerical order by ID. Finally, if
  the result of the calculation is not an integer, it is rounded
  up, and then if it is outside the allowable range of values for
  voting strength, it is set to the minimum value if it was less
  and the maximum value if it was more.
  
  A player CAN Buy Strength by paying a fee of 1 Extra Vote. A
  player's Voting Strength on an ordinary referendum is 1 greater
  for every time e Bought Strength during that decision's voting
  period.

Rule 2556/1 (Power=3)
Penalties
[...]  
  The voting strength of a player on an Agoran decision is reduced
  by 1 for every 3 blots in eir possession.
[...]

Rule 2240/1 (Power=3)
No Cretans Need Apply

  In a conflict between clauses of the same Rule, if exactly one
  claims precedence over the other, then it takes precedence;
  otherwise, the later clause takes precedence.
}}}

Arguments (for both):

{{{
Rule 2422 contains internal contradictions. The first paragraph
attempts to limit voting strengths to a particular range. The second
paragraph specifies how to apply multiple voting strength modifiers.
The third paragraph specifies how to Buy Strength.

Most notably, the second paragraph implies that if multiple rules
attempt to modify a player's Voting Strength (such as 2422 and 2556, in
the case of a player who has 3 Blots and has Bought Strength), the
modifications from rule 2422 are not applied at all (the conflict
resolution procedure applies modifications from "rules, other than this
one, which modify it", and does not specify any situation in which its
own modification applies.

The third paragraph, however, says that Buying Strength *does* modify a
player's voting strength. As far as I can tell, this introduces a
contradiction between the second and third paragraphs, resolved by Rule
2240. If the second paragraph is interpreted as having an implicit
precedence claim, it wins, and players with 3+ Blots cannot usefully
Buy Strength.

More interestingly, if it is interpreted as not containing a precedence
claim, then the third paragraph wins, allowing players with 3+ Blots to
Buy Strength despite the conflict resolution mechanism. In this case,
it seems as though the third paragraph would be able to override the
first paragraph, too, and allow players to increase their Voting
Strengths without bounds.
}}}

-- 
ais523



Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Stonemason] June Stone Auction

2021-06-08 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-business


On 6/6/2021 12:28 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote:
> On 6/6/21 3:27 PM, Trigon via agora-business wrote:
>> On 6/4/21 4:59 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote:
>>> On 6/4/21 12:57 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-business wrote:
 On 6/4/2021 9:30 AM, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote:
> On 6/3/21 11:40 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-official wrote:
>> Pursuant to Rule 2642, I initiate a stone auction with the following
>> lots: [Power Stone], [Wealth Stone], [Concentration Stone].
> I bid 10 coins on [Power Stone].
>
> I bid 10 coins on [Concentration Stone].
>
 I bid 100 coins on Power Stone, 100 on Concentration Stone, 350 on Wealth
 Stone.  -G.



>>> I bid 110 coins on Power Stone, and 110 coins on the Concentration Stone.
>>>
>> I bid 150 coins on Concentration.
>>
> 
> I bid 160 coins on Concentration.
> 

I bid 120 coins on the Power Stone.  -G.



BUS: Re: (@ADoP) election

2021-06-08 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-business


On 6/8/2021 5:41 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote:
> 
> On 6/8/2021 5:39 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote:
>>
>> I deputize for the Prime Minister to respond to the above petition as
>> follows.
>>
> 
> As I am now the Prime Minister, I initiate an election for that office.
> 
> 

First, I nominate myself for PM in the above election.

Second, I'm overpowered, so I intend to Demand Resignation of myself, with
Notice (this would make the offices of PM and Speaker vacant).  note: I
think there's a little bug/feature in this, though it doesn't matter for
this particular case.

-G.



BUS: (@ADoP) election

2021-06-08 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-business


On 6/8/2021 5:39 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote:
>
> I deputize for the Prime Minister to respond to the above petition as
> follows.
> 

As I am now the Prime Minister, I initiate an election for that office.




Re: BUS: [Emergency] Please remain calm (@ADoP)

2021-06-08 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-business


On 2/6/2021 2:24 PM, Edward Murphy via agora-business wrote:
>
> In the interest of confirming whether these changes were effective, I
> hereby petition Possibly H. Possibly Prime Minister G. to disclose to me
> any and all unhashed text underlying Second Regulation of G.ravity,
> 

Hm, looks like the Prime Minister never responded to this (I couldn't, I
wasn't the prime minister - petitions are only directed to officers and
this is clearly to the office of PM).  I hate to leave unifinished
business around.

I deputize for the Prime Minister to respond to the above petition as
follows.

The unhashed text indicated above is:

LAWS OF G.RAVITY

It is IMPOSSIBLE to cause the regulation to do anything truly stupid,
or anything that would NOT treat Agora Right Good Forever.

(void where prohibited)




BUS: Even More Pending [attn. Treasuror]

2021-06-08 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-business
For each of the following proposals, I pay a pendant to pend it:
* Grants on Resets
* The Artistry Lies in the Art
* Applause

-Aris


BUS: [Proposal] Applause

2021-06-08 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-business
If we come up with improved phrasing, I'll withdraw this version.

I submit the following proposal.

-Aris
---
Title: Applause
Adoption index: 2.0
Author: Aris
Co-author(s): G.


[Who wants to have their art peer reviewed?]

Amend Rule 1367, "Degrees", by replacing:

  It SHOULD only be awarded for the publication of an original
  thesis of scholarly worth (including responses to peer-review),
  published with explicit intent to qualify for a degree. The
  Herald SHOULD coordinate the peer-review process and the
  awarding of degrees.

with:

  It SHOULD only be awarded for the publication of an original
  thesis of scholarly or artistic worth, published with explicit
  intent to qualify for a degree, that has passed through review
  and been judged worthy of the degree in question.

  For scholarly degrees, the review process should consist of peer-review,
  with responses by the candidate. For artistic degrees, the review
  process should consist of the reviewers applauding the candidate
  and pointing out the virtues of the thesis. The Herald SHOULD
  coordinate the review process and the awarding of degrees.

[I'll note that "scholarly or artistic" is a bit clunky; if someone
comes up with a substantial improvement, that would be lovely,
and we can make that a new version of the proposal.]

Amend Rule 2496, Rewards, by replacing:

  * Having a Thesis pass peer-review and be granted a Degree based
on its merit: 20 boatloads of coins (Herald)

with:

* Having a Thesis pass review and be granted a Degree based
  on its merit: 20 boatloads of coins (Herald)


Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8561-8572

2021-06-08 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-business
On Sun, Jun 6, 2021 at 4:19 PM Aris Merchant via agora-business
 wrote:
>
> I vote as follows:

> > 8563&   Aris1.7   Determinacy is a Good Thing
> PRESENT

I change my vote to FOR (this is going to be democratic, so I'm not as
worried about exerting too much influence).

-Aris


BUS: [Proposal] Grants on Resets

2021-06-08 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-business
I submit the following proposal.

-Aris
---
Title: Grants on Resets
Adoption index: 1.0
Author: Aris
Co-author(s):


Amend Rule 2621, "VP Wins", by replacing:

  When a player takes over the economy, e wins the game. If a player
  Took Over the Economy 4 days ago, all Cards and all Products are
  destroyed, then each active player is granted 1 card of each type.

with:

  When a player takes over the economy, e wins the game. Four days
  later, all Cards and all Products are destroyed. Then, each
  active player gains 1 card of each type and eir grant (if any).

Each player hereby gains eir grant (if any).


BUS: [Proposal] The Artistry Lies in the Art

2021-06-08 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-business
I submit the following proposal.

-Aris
---
Title: The Artistry Lies in the Art
Adoption index: 2.0
Author: Aris
Co-author(s):


[I used "Artistry" rather than "Art" to distinguish it from references
to the liberal arts. Later, I realized that those references use
"Arts" as in "Bachelor of Arts". So we're fine to just use Art here.]

Amend Rule 1367, "Degrees", by replacing each instance of "Artistry"
with "Art".

Change each instance of the patent title "Associate of Nomic
Artistry" to "Associate of Nomic Arts".


Re: BUS: Nothing to Worry About [attn. Treasuror, Assessor]

2021-06-08 Thread Trigon via agora-business

On 08/06/2021 04:41, Aris Merchant via agora-business wrote:

I give Trigon 120 coins.

I pay 4 voting cards as set to gain 10 extra votes.
I pay 2 voting cards as a set to gain 3 extra votes.

I give Trigon 8 extra votes.

I buy strength.
I buy strength.
I buy strength.
I buy strength.
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I buy strength.
I buy strength.
I buy strength.
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I buy strength.
I buy strength.

-Aris



Several extra votes having inexplicably come into my possession, I buy 
strength eleven times.


--
Trigon

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