BUS: Names are Cool! [attn. officers]
I change my nickname to Aris. Pronouns are still the same (e/em, as per Agoran custom, or they/them). -Aris
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] 8639 rerun [CFJ]
On Tue, May 2, 2023 at 9:01 AM Janet Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > > On 5/2/23 01:01, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > > On Mon, May 1, 2023 at 8:38 PM Janet Cobb via agora-business < > > agora-business@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > > >> [Proposal 8639 > >> failed to make this change because it used "amend" for a power change. > > > > If everyone involved including you knew what it meant at the time so as to > > miss the “error” entirely, how could it possibly have been unclear, even by > > r105 standards? > > I maintain that “amend a rule’s power” is a clear synonym for “change a > > rules power” and is obviously not amending a rule’s text. > > > Well, past me is an idiot and I disavow everything they've said. > > I've been consistent (or tried to be) in saying that "amend a rule's > title" doesn't work, and AFAIK there have been no legal challenges to > that (and it was suggested in Discord to legislate a different rule > rather than that my reading is wrong). > > My reading is that R105 makes "amend" in the context of a rule mean only > and exactly changing the text of the rule, and any other usage is > inherently ambiguous. > > -- > Janet Cobb > > Assessor, Rulekeepor, Stonemason > I CFJ 'Rule 879, "Quorum", has power 3.0.' I bar Janet. (I'd bar G. too if I could - neither of them is biased, but I'm hoping for a third opinion here.) Context can be found in the thread above. -Aspen
BUS: MOTION OF NO CONFIDENCE
Our current Prime Minister has stated on Discord that e finds using eir power to dive Agorans to be "fun". It is clearly a violation of Agoran customs, traditions, and cultural values to take such pleasure in the powers of an office, which should be used exclusively in a serious, dignified, and thoughtful manner. Furthermore, in response to a suggestion that e might be impeached for such conduct, the Prime Minister has threatened to dive me for "seditious talk". This is a violation of my right of free speech within the fora. My objection here is *entirely* based on principle, and has nothing whatsoever to do with me wanting to preemptively defend myself. Finally, given the recent conclusion of the horse race, it is clearly time to shake things up in Agora! ACCORDINGLY, I hereby intend, with Agoran Consent, to render the Office of Prime Minister vacant. I urge all Agorans of good heart to join me in throwing off the tyranny of the current government. -Aspen
BUS: Re: OFF: [Collector] Stamp Collections (Weekly, 21 Mar 23)
On Tue, Mar 21, 2023 at 9:57 AM nix via agora-official < agora-offic...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > Stamp Holdings as of 21 Mar 2023 -- Stamp Holdings -- nix (7): - 6 ais523 stamps - 1 nix stamp - 1 R. Lee stamp - -1 Yachay stamps CoE: stamps are assets, so there is no such thing as a negative stamp. I believe that the problem is that you have Yachay's welcome package listed as a transfer from you to em, rather than a stamp being created in eir possession. In any case, it might be worth adding a check for negative values in your code (it's probable this would have occurred to you anyway, but I just thought I should mention!) -Aspen
Re: BUS: (@ADoP) impeachment!
On Sun, Mar 19, 2023 at 10:34 AM Forest Sweeney via agora-business < agora-business@agoranomic.org> wrote: > I intend to, with 2 agoran consent, impeach the referee. (I should be > properly elected.) I object! This is a shocking and outrageous attempt to impeach an officer without just cause. I also support, because any officer should have the right to be impeached if e wants to. -Aspen
BUS: A Vision [attn. Dream Keeper]
I envision power. -Aspen
Re: BUS: A Promise of Friendship [attn. Notary]
On Sun, Mar 19, 2023 at 8:09 AM Aspen via agora-business <
agora-business@agoranomic.org> wrote:
> I create two instances of the following promise and transfer each to Janet:
>
> {
> Caching conditions: The bearer is Janet. It is before the end of March,
> 2023.
>
> I expunge one blot from the bearer.
> }
>
I'm just forwarding this message for the attention of the Notary; this
message (the one forwarding, not the quoted message) contains no game
actions.
-Aris
BUS: A Promise of Friendship
I create two instances of the following promise and transfer each to Janet:
{
Caching conditions: The bearer is Janet. It is before the end of March,
2023.
I expunge one blot from the bearer.
}
Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8926-8933
On Tue, Mar 14, 2023 at 5:05 PM Janet Cobb via agora-business < agora-business@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On 3/12/23 17:58, secretsnail9 via agora-official wrote: > > 8926* 4st, nix3.0 Just add the sins directly > > 8927~ 4st, nix1.0 One More Sin > > 8928~ juan1.0 Acting on commitment > > 8929* Janet, Murphy, snail3.0 Tabled action security > > 8930~ nix 1.0 Rebalancing > > 8931~ 4st 1.0 Rhyme Time > > 8932~ Janet 1.0 Only so bright > > 8933~ Janet 1.0 Ritual ratification > For the Agoran decision on whether to adopt each proposal listed above, I vote ENDORSE Janet. -Aspen
Re: BUS: Celebrations
On Mon, Feb 6, 2023 at 8:52 PM Janet Cobb via agora-business < agora-business@agoranomic.org> wrote: > I intend, with 4 support from other players who would be Festive if the > Festivity was 1, to start a rank 1 festival. I'm philosophically opposed to using an emergency measure to stop players from accomplishing a legitimate objective (black ribbons are designed to be scammed) by legitimate means (using voting strength as designed). Therefore, I object, not that it does anything. -Aspen >
Re: BUS: We are a democracy, aren't we?
On Sun, Feb 5, 2023 at 4:30 PM Janet Cobb via agora-business < agora-business@agoranomic.org> wrote: > I intend, with 2 Agoran consent, to flip the class of Proposal 8896 to > democratic, with the following conditions: > > * Janet has, strictly after the tabling of this intent, published the > text "AUTHORIZE P8896 CHANGE". I support. -Aspen
Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8891-8899
On Sat, Feb 4, 2023 at 4:17 PM secretsnail9 via agora-business wrote: > > I vote as follows: > > > 8891~ 4st, ...[1] 1.0 Destroy current administrative > > regulations PRESENT > > 8892~ 4st, ...[2] 1.0 Destroy Contracts, Promises, and > > Pledges AGAINST. We have alternative ways of destroying these, and I want to keep the Dragon Corporation around. > 8893~ 4st, snail, Janet 2.0 Stonemason Fairness PRESENT > 8894* nix 3.0 Load Lightening FOR > 8895* R. Lee 3.0 Ratifying the Ruleset Endorse G. > 8896~ snail 1.0 It would make me happy AGAINST > 8897~ nix, r. lee 2.0 Does This Potato...[3] Endorse Janet. > 8898~ nix, snail 2.0 Rockier Gardens Endorse Janet. > 8899~ snail, Janet1.0 3rd Time's not the charm Endorse Janet. -Aspen
BUS: Staying Active
This is just a message to make sure I stay active. It contains no game actions. -Aris
BUS: Let's Not Overthink This Impulsive Decision
I register. -Aspen
BUS: Dear Agora [attn. Registrar]
Note for clarity: if you just want to understand the game effect of this message, please jump to the end. Or, you know, you could read this long message I wrote. That works too! --- Dear Agora, We need to talk. Things have been kind of rough for a while. See, I'm not enjoying spending time with you as much as I used to. I'm not *entirely* sure why that is, but I'll explore a few reasons. This is going to be a rambly vent, so prepare yourself. I'm really exasperated by this increase in finger pointings. I've expressed this before. I know that I'm not the only one, even if I am the one complaining the loudest: I've heard privately from other officers who are also frustrated, but don't feel comfortable publicly complaining about it. Being an officer used to be fun. If an officer was late occasionally, or even often-ish, it was no big deal. It was kind of all upsides, honestly. The pressure was mostly from yourself, and the rest of it was social. Now that you have someone looking over your shoulder to make sure you're exactly on time each week, being an officer is less fun. The problem is, of course, that it seems that people being late did bother others, and they ended up keeping quiet about it. I'm not really sure what to do about that. Sometimes I wish we just didn't care about deadlines and let everyone be late when they needed to. There could still be limits, but "one missed week is no big deal, just don't be late two in a row" seems like a pretty decent policy. I don't know if this is actually a good idea, but I'm throwing it out as a starting point for discussion. And yes, I am still kinda annoyed that I got a finger pointed at me for an error. Every officer makes errors, and it doesn't feel like that should be penalized. It's not even really avoidable, especially if you publish a draft and no one catches it. Oh, drafts! You'll notice I haven't published drafts for the last few weeks. That's because publishing a draft and waiting for responses would have made my report late by a day or two, and I would have gotten a finger point. In the past, I would quite possibly have just missed out on the pay in order to make sure my report is accurate. But now, given that I don't have time to report till Saturday, I don't have a ton of options. Yes, I realize there are models where you just expect that getting blots is part of existing. No, I have not transitioned over to such a model just because people started pointing fingers more. Relatedly, social convention in Agora has kind of gone down the drain in general. It used to be that we could have boundaries that weren't just contained in rules, and they were rarely broken. I'm not saying that's entirely gone, but it feels like it's less true. I'd really prefer for people to ask whether they SHOULD do things, even if they MAY and CAN do them. I know people still care about how others feel, but I think we've kind of... divorced that from gameplay, I guess. And I don't like that. I don't have examples, beyond the finger pointing thing, but I feel like they're out there something. I have something of a chronic problem, where I tend to battle for the old way of doing things practically alone. Which isn't healthy for me, for you, or for anyone else. Hell, I feel like a dick - I probably am a dick. I'm always the one complaining about change. That is the role I have claimed for myself. I do not know if it is good for someone to hold that role, or if I'm doing it correctly. I do it because I'm afraid of change. I've avoided taking any breaks for years because I was afraid things would change in my absence. I've been worried about getting Promotor back if I ever resigned, and that's probably the biggest thing. But also about rules changes, and just... change. If I like things the way they are, I try to stop them from changing too much. Which probably isn't a good trait, honestly. I'm often more opinionated and argumentative than is actually helpful - though I console myself that I am not the only Agoran to have this trait, I am one of the worse ones. The truth of the matter, Agora, is that I'm tired. A lot of that has to do with health concerns outside of the game. My sleep schedule has been a wreck since I moved to college, and my health also sucks generally. A lot of it is also that I'm frustrated though. Agora, I've already told you why I'm frustrated by you. But a lot of my frustration is probably just as much that I'm not working out for you right now as that you're not working out for me. While I'm not going to "it's not you, it's me" you, I think it's probably both of us. So, now that I've conveyed all my grievances, let me say what I want to do. I think I've been together with you for too long, and I think I need a break. You've tired me out and frustrated me, and I've tired myself out and frustrated myself, and I need some distance to recover. This has been venty, in part because I am literally required to express my grievances and reproach for
BUS: Request for Processing [attn. Collector, Notary, Treasuror]
I do the following 50 times: I pay 3 boatloads of coins to gain a stamp.
I give 25 stamps each to nix and secretsnail, who have agreed to keep
them safe in exchange for 2 stamps each.
The following is a contract, which I create and join.
{
This contract is entitled Aspen's Executor.
Any person CAN become a party to this contract by consenting to it.
Aspen CAN transfer assets from this contract by announcement.
If Aspen has specifically given eir public consent for a transfer or
trade, any party CAN transfer assets from this contract by
announcement, provided e does so to effectuate the permitted transfer
or trade.
Aspen CAN terminate this contract by announcement.
}
I transfer each of my coins to Aspen's Executor. I transfer each of my
legislative, voting, justice, and win cards to Aspen's Executor. I
transfer each of my pendants, votives, blot-b-gones, and winsomes to
Aspen's Executor. I transfer each of my stamps to Aspen's Executor
(this is allowed by a CFJ from a few years ago that I never
particularly liked). For each class of liquid assets I have at least one of,
I transfer each asset I have of that class to Aspen's Executor. And,
for good measure, I transfer all of my assets to Aspen's Executor.
-Aspen
BUS: Everyone Needs Breaks [attn. ADoP]
I resign Promotor. -Aspen
Re: BUS: Trading with Murphy
On Sun, Apr 3, 2022 at 2:18 PM Edward Murphy via agora-business
wrote:
>
> Aspen wrote:
>
> > I hereby give Murphy a voting card.
>
> I create the following promise and transfer it to Aspen.
>
> {
> Cashing conditions: The bearer specifies one type of card, and Murphy
> has at least one of that type of card.
>
> I transfer one of that type of card to the bearer.
> }
If I have not done so already, I cash the above promise, specifying
Justice cards.
-Aspen
Re: BUS: @Assessor Re: OFF: [Assessor] Humiliating Public Reminder for Proposals 8665-8666
On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 8:32 PM Kerim Aydin via agora-business wrote: > > > On 4/21/2022 8:27 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > On 4/21/2022 7:44 PM, nix via agora-business wrote: > >> On 4/21/22 19:30, Jason Cobb via agora-official wrote: > >>> For the referendum on each of proposals 8665-8666, I hereby issue a > >>> humiliating public reminder to each of the following slackers: > >> > >> I vote "endorse Jason" on 8665-8666. > >> > >> -- > >> nix > >> Herald, Collector > >> > > > > I vote FOR each of those. -G. > > > > Sorry, I change my vote on 8666 to AGAINST. I'm really opposed to the > ability to create other peoples' stamps. I vote FOR the referendum on Proposal 8665. I vote endorse G. on the referendum on Proposal 8666. -Aspen
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: (indictment intent on @jaun for support/objections) resolving fingers for the forbidden
On Mon, Apr 11, 2022 at 3:29 PM juan via agora-discussion wrote: > > On 2022-04-11 12:25, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > > > > On 4/11/2022 11:05 AM, juan via agora-discussion wrote: > > > On 2022-04-11 10:49, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > > >> On 4/11/2022 10:40 AM, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote: > > >>> No, it's not reasonable to expect new players to read through decades of > > >>> judgements. However, that doesn't eliminate the fact that the precedent > > >>> exists. Generally relevant precedents will be brought up by people aware > > >>> of them when needed. > > >> > > >> I mean, it *might* be reasonable for a new player to think "I'm putting > > >> in > > >> a high-powered proposal that claims to freeze agora, directly trying to > > >> loophole something that the rules explicitly say is a High Crime and > > >> shouldn't be done - maybe there's reasons I shouldn't do that." > > >> > > >> -G. > > > > > > It might. And there may. There are also reasons to do it -- such as to > > > expose such loophole. > > > > Well sure - I respect the civil disobedience inherent in performing an > > action to prove what's wrong with the law, but that generally involves > > technically committing the crime. My point is more general - that while a > > new player might not be expected to *know* the cfjs surrounding a matter, > > it's not unreasonable for em to expect that tinkering around the edges of > > a crime might get em nabbed, even if the nabbing is on a technicality. > > > > > In any case, my action was to create a proposal > > > (with a very high AI), which by definition can only be implemented with > > > much support. I'd say it was nearly impossible for that action to ossify > > > the game. > > > > One thing that surprised me is that, so far, nobody's really said "it can > > NEVER be an attempt at ossification because I can read right in the rules > > that ossification would be blocked". In other words, we already *know* > > it's impossible unless the attempt would explicitly removes R1698 first, > > and that sort of impossibility hasn't been a defense. It would be > > interesting to see if that comes up more in your new cfjs. > > > > -G. > > > > That actually didn't seem like a good defense for me. The rule > explicitly states that commiting the crime is to perform an action that > “would” cause Agora to be Ossified. The only possible interpretation for > that tense is that it *won't* -- and the only possible reason for that, > at this level of generality, is R1698. > > So the definition of the crime arguably excludes that argument. It could > be read “An action is forbidden if it would, but for Rule 1698, upon its > successful occurence cause Agora to be ossified or to cease to exits.” Although my interpretation is no by no means binding on the rest of Agora, I wrote the original rule, and I'm 80% sure this is what I meant it to mean. Accordingly, I object to the indictment against juan. -Aspen
BUS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 8657-8664
On Sat, Apr 2, 2022 at 8:20 PM Jason Cobb via agora-official wrote: > > On 4/2/22 23:04, Jason Cobb via agora-official wrote: > > > PROPOSAL 8663 (The Hexeract) > > AUTHOR: Secretsnail9 > > CLASS: ORDINARY > > FOR (1): juan [...] > > > CoE: juan's vote should have resolved to AGAINST. > > Accepted. Revision: > > PROPOSAL 8663 (The Hexeract) > AUTHOR: Secretsnail9 > CLASS: ORDINARY > FOR (0): > AGAINST (7): Aspen, G., Jason*, Murphy, Secretsnail9@, ais523, nix@ > PRESENT (1): juan > BALLOTS: 8 > AI (F/A): 0/24 (AI=1.0) > POPULARITY: -0.875 > OUTCOME: REJECTED > [ > Murphy: Endorsement of Secretsnail9 > juan: Conditional resolved: A majority of other votes were not FOR > ] I do not believe this is sufficient. Per Rule 208(4), a correct tally of valid ballots must be provided for your resolution to be EFFECTIVE. Thus, the first attempted resolution failed. Your CoE prevented that (incorrect) resolution from ratifying. However, your second attempted resolution did not clearly state that you were resolving the proposal, and could not have met the by announcement standard of Rule 208. Thus, I do not believe any resolution of this proposal has taken effect. -Aspen
Re: BUS: [Proposal] Promise Expirations
On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 11:20 AM nix via agora-business < agora-business@agoranomic.org> wrote: > In a discussion about possible temporary promises, it came up that a > downside is that promises tend to stick around for a while. This makes them > easier to clean-up by adding optional expiration conditions. > > I submit and pend the following proposal: This fails because you didn't specify a fee. You may wish to consider ais523's feedback before actually pending. -Aspen
BUS: Re: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8657-8664
On Fri, Mar 25, 2022 at 8:38 PM Aspen wrote: > ID Author(s) AITitle > --- > 8657* Murphy 3.0 Schrodinger's report FOR. > 8658* Aspen 3.0 SLR Ratification FOR. This is the most checked SLR version in ages, due to being used for the (incomplete) read the ruleset week thingy. Also, we need to ratify something. > 8659* nix, G., snail 3.0 Speak Like People FOR > 8660* nix, G., Jason, snail 3.0 The End of Sets FOR. After some deliberation, I think it's time to move on, even if the ideas for revising the system hold some appeal. > 8661& nix, G., Jason, Trigon 1.0 Stamps v1.2 PRESENT. I found this boring last time around, but I don't quite have it in me to vote AGAINST. > 8662& snail, Jason, Telna 1.0 Birds! v2 PRESENT, at snail's request (well, e asked me to vote FOR, but I'm not willing to go quite that far). > 8663& snail 1.0 The Hexeract AGAINST > 8664& snail 1.0 Away with the massive points PRESENT -Aspen
Re: (@Notary, Treasuror, Referee) BUS: Trading with Aspen
On Thu, Mar 31, 2022 at 8:21 PM ais523 via agora-business <
agora-business@agoranomic.org> wrote:
> I create the following promise and transfer it to Aspen:
> {{{
> Cashing conditions: The bearer has transferred 3200 coins to ais523 in
> the same message as cashing this promise, and cashes no other promises
> in that message; and it is 1 April or 2 April 2022.
>
> I transfer two Blot-B-Gones to the bearer.
> }}}
I transfer 3200 coins to ais523.
I cash the above promise.
I do the following twice: I pay a fee of 1 blot-B-gone to expunge 1 blot
from myself.
-Aspen
>
BUS: Trading with Murphy
I hereby give Murphy a voting card. -Aspen
Re: BUS: [Proposal] SLR Ratification
I pay a pendant to pend this proposal. -Aspen On Tue, Mar 22, 2022 at 1:40 PM Aspen via agora-business wrote: > > I submit the following proposal. I plan to pend it with a pendant > before the next distribution. > > -Aspen > --- > Title: SLR Ratification > Adoption index: 3.0 > Author: Aspen > Co-authors: > > > Ratify the Short Logical Ruleset published on the 8th of February, 2022, > available here [1]. > > [1] > https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-official/2022-February/015653.html
BUS: [Proposal] SLR Ratification
I submit the following proposal. I plan to pend it with a pendant before the next distribution. -Aspen --- Title: SLR Ratification Adoption index: 3.0 Author: Aspen Co-authors: Ratify the Short Logical Ruleset published on the 8th of February, 2022, available here [1]. [1] https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-official/2022-February/015653.html
BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 8645-8654
On Tue, Mar 15, 2022 at 5:47 PM ATMunn via agora-discussion < agora-discuss...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On 3/15/2022 19:40, Jason Cobb via agora-official wrote: > > PROPOSAL 8645 (Some RTRW Clean-Ups) > > AUTHOR: ATMunn > > CLASS: DEMOCRATIC > > FOR (8): Aspen, G., Jason, Madrid!, Murphy, Trigon@, ais523, nix@ > > AGAINST (1): Secretsnail9 > > PRESENT (0): > > BALLOTS: 9 > > AI (F/A): 20/3 (AI=3.0) > > POPULARITY: 0.778 > > OUTCOME: ADOPTED > > [ > > Aspen: Jason is the Rulekeepor: Endorsement of Jason > > ] > > From the passing of this proposal, I qualify for a red ribbon. However, > only players can award ribbons. If anyone would be so kind as to award > me one, it would be greatly appreciated. I award ATMunn a red ribbon. (Disclaimer: I haven't checked to see if this works, but if ATMunn thinks it does, it probably does.) -Aspen >
Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8645-8654
On Tue, Mar 8, 2022 at 3:00 PM nix via agora-business wrote: > > On 3/8/22 16:38, Aspen via agora-official wrote: > > 8645* ATMunn, nix 3.0 Some RTRW Clean-Ups ENDORSE the Rulekeepor. > > 8646* Jason, G., ais523 3.0 Deputisation rewrite ENDORSE G. > > 8647& snail, Jason, Telna 2.0 Birds! AGAINST. I was wavering between PRESENT and AGAINST, as I like this about as much as I like stones. I'm not entirely enthusiastic about either of them. However, to pass a new version of stones, I'd want some basis to believe it might work better than the original. > > 8648& snail 1.0 Scoring Integer Points FOR > > 8649& Murphy 1.0 The Devices v1.1 ENDORSE ais523. > > 8650& Jason 1.0 It's an even grayer world. FOR. This system isn't fun or interesting at this point. > > 8651* Jason, Aspen, Ørjan 3.0 TIME Act [1] FOR. > > 8652& snail, Jason1.0 Geometry v3 AGAINST. There's no system in this system. I don't get why this would be enjoyable or where the gameplay is supposed to come from. > > 8653& ais523 1.0 Device Reconstruction FOR; I trust ais523's judgement here. > > 8654& G. 1.7 Cheaters shouldn't prosper Strong AGAINST; I don't like this darn provision philosophically to begin with and I don't see any reason to take away its only benign use. (For the record, I'm being moderately hyperbolic here). I think this is probably my most "I don't like it" round of votes ever. I'm usually more amicable. -Aspen
Re: BUS: registration of duck
On Fri, Mar 11, 2022 at 8:04 PM Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote: > > On 3/11/22 21:04, Skull cat via agora-business wrote: > > I register. please call me duck > Since I've done some minor shenanigans before with anonymous postings: I affirm that this is not me. -Aspen
Re: BUS: The Duck Initiative
On Fri, Mar 11, 2022 at 8:09 PM Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote: > > On 3/11/22 23:07, Skull cat via agora-business wrote: > > I intend, with Agoran Consent, to award the patent title "Duck Badge" to > > Trigon, Jason, and myself. > > > > > >1. I cause myself to receive a welcome package > >2. I consent to, create, and join a contract with title "The Duck Fund" > >( Duck, and only duck, can join or leave this contract at any time by > >announcement. ) > >3. > > > > RWO: The Duck Fund has 1 coins > > > I object to each intent in the above message. As do I. -Aspen
Re: BUS: (@arbitor) finger-pointing
On Sun, Mar 6, 2022 at 4:12 PM Kerim Aydin via agora-business < agora-business@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > I point a finger at ATMunn for violating Rule 2143 by failing to publish a > notary's report in the week of Feb 21. > > I point a finger at ATMunn for violating Rule 2143 by failing to publish a > notary's report in the week of Feb 28. > > (One weekly report in 6 weeks seems excessively behind-the-curve) > > I point a finger at Aspen for violating Rule 2143 by failing to publish a > notary's report in the week of Feb 28 (that's second missed report in a > row I think - despite earlier conversation not personally pointing at > single missing weeks). The second missing week seems like a very fair policy! FWIW, I plead that I have been very busy IRL and that there are more proposals in the air than normal. Accordingly, I request a forgivable fine. -Aspen
BUS: [Promotor] Removals
I remove the proposal "Some RTRW Clean-Ups" by nix from the proposal pool. I remove the proposal "Cheaters shouldn't prosper" by G. from the proposal pool.
Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8638-8644
I vote as follows: > 8638* secretsnail 3.0 Cyan Ribbon Patch FOR > 8639* G. 3.0 sole quorum PRESENT > 8640& R. Lee 2.0 Minor ruleset edits AGAINST > 8641& Jason, G. 2.0 Degrees are for persons AGAINST; this seems unlikely to come up, but if it did, that would be hilarious. I don't see any purpose to block it, in either case. > 8642& Jason, Ørjan2.0 Hot Potato patch v2 ENDORSE G. > 8643& G. 1.7 Firing Judge Dredd ENDORSE Jason > 8644& Jason, ais523 1.0 Device repeal patch FOR -Aspen >
Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8635-8637
I vote as follows: > > 8635* Murphy 4.0 Outside assistance AGAINST, per ais523. I will say that I was already planning to vote AGAINST this, but ais523 stated some of the issues well. A change like this requires more discussion. > > 8636& G. 1.5 Points FOR > > 8637& G., Jason 1.0 Basic Scoring v0.2 AGAINST. This doesn't sound that fun to me. -Aspen
BUS: Pendants Here I Come [attn. Treasuror]
I gain a legislative card. I pay 4 legislative cards as a set to gain 10 pendants. -Aspen
BUS: [DoV] Dawn of a New Day
Last year, there were a few days that held great personal significance for me. As of the 13th of September, I had been a player for five years. Just over a month later, on the 21st of October, I had been your Promotor for five years as well. Now, as I watch the winter holiday end and a new year begin in Agora for the fifth time, I feel something coming over me. I have accomplished a lot in Agora. I like it here. My fellow players are pretty cool. The moment these happy thoughts cross my mind, I feel the inexorable power of my spirit lifting me upward. I award myself a white ribbon. I Raise a Banner. -Aspen
Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] Notice of Election, plus vacancies
On Sun, Jan 2, 2022 at 1:47 PM Trigon via agora-business < agora-business@agoranomic.org> wrote: > El 02/01/2022 a las 21:39, Edward Murphy via agora-official escribió: > > This is a Notice of Election, initiating elections for the following > > term-limited offices per Rule 2651 (The Election Cycle): > > > >* Prime Minister > >* Promotor > >* Rulekeepor > >* Treasuror > > > > Additionally, I initiate elections for these vacant offices: > > > >* Arbitor > >* Registrar I become a candidate for Promotor. -Aspen
BUS: Concentration
If I haven't yet this month, I grant myself a legislative card, pursuant to my focus. -Aspen
Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposal 8633
On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 8:13 PM Jason Cobb via agora-business < agora-business@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On 11/10/21 14:36, Aspen via agora-official wrote: > > CONTAINS A REVISED PROMOTOR'S REPORT, EFFECTIVE AS OF RIGHT NOW. > > > > I hereby distribute each listed proposal, initiating a referendum on it, > > and removing it from the proposal pool. For this decision, the vote > collector > > is the Assessor, the quorum is 8, the voting method is AI-majority, and > the > > valid options are FOR and AGAINST (PRESENT is also a valid vote, as are > > conditional votes). > > > > ID Author(s) AITitle > > > --- > > 8633* Falsifian 3.0 Disbanded distribution > > > > Revision to the last Promotor's report, effective immediately: > > > > The proposal pool is currently empty. > > > > Legend: * : Democratic proposal. > > & : Ordinary proposal. > > ~ : Unsponsored proposal. > > > > The full text of the aforementioned proposal(s) is included below. Where > > the information shown below differs from the information shown above, > > the information shown above shall control. > > > > // > > ID: 8633 > > Title: Disbanded distribution > > Adoption index: 3.0 > > Author: Falsifian > > Co-author(s): > > > > > > In Rule 1607 "Distribution", delete the sentence: > > > > E SHALL then distribute those undistributed proposals the next > > Agoran week. > > > > // > > > I vote ENDORSE Aris. Who's Aris? /hj I vote FOR. I feel like we may need to do a top-down rearchitecting of this mechanism at some point, but I'm happy to roll with things that seem reasonable and see how they work out for now. This seems reasonable, and hence it meets with my approval. -Aspen >
Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8631-8632
On Sun, Nov 7, 2021 at 4:29 PM Jason Cobb via agora-business < agora-business@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On 11/7/21 19:15, Aspen via agora-official wrote: > > 8631& G. 1.0 another device defect FOR > 8632& G., nix 1.0 Forgiveness is a process AGAINST. This is a fun custom that I don't see any reason to get rid of. I'd prefer to deal with any problems with the system individually. -Aspen >
Re: BUS: hi
On Thu, Nov 11, 2021 at 9:22 PM Tris via agora-business < agora-business@agoranomic.org> wrote: > i, tris, register as a player :) > Welcome! I cause tris to receive a welcome package. -Aspen
Re: BUS: Just in Case
On Wed, Oct 6, 2021 at 7:39 PM Falsifian via agora-business < agora-business@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On Tue, Oct 05, 2021 at 12:44:47PM -0400, Jason Cobb via agora-business > wrote: > > I intend, with 4 support from other players who own at least 2 types of > > ribbon, to start a Rank 2 Festival. > > > > -- > > Jason Cobb > > > > Assessor, Rulekeepor, Stonemason > > I support. (I haven't really been following, but if someone wants to > start a festival, then sure.) I do so. Let the festivities commence! -Aspen >
Re: BUS: Just in Case
On Tue, Oct 5, 2021 at 9:51 AM ATMunn via agora-business < agora-business@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On 10/5/2021 12:45, Kerim Aydin via agora-business wrote: > > > > On 10/5/2021 9:44 AM, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote: > >> I intend, with 4 support from other players who own at least 2 types of > >> ribbon, to start a Rank 2 Festival. > >> > > > > I support. -G. > > > > I support. > > -- > ATMunn > friendly neighborhood notary :) I support. -Aspen
BUS: [Promotor] Targeting
I'm aiming to have a Promotor's report out by the end of the week. I apologize for the delay, and thank everyone for being so patient. -Aspen
BUS: Happy Birthday to me!
I am honored to have completed my fifth year as a player, as my Agoran birthday was a few days ago, on the 13th. I'm glad to be part of this amazing game and hope to be a player for many more years to come. -Aspen
BUS: [Promotor] Removal
On Sat, Aug 28, 2021 at 3:04 PM Kerim Aydin via agora-business wrote: > > > I propose to submit this statement as a CFJ. I remove any proposal with the text "submit this statement as a CFJ" from the proposal pool.
Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] Decision to Determine Public Confidence in the Judgement of CFJ 3922 (Please Vote!)
On Mon, Aug 30, 2021 at 4:15 PM Falsifian via agora-business < agora-business@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On Sun, Aug 29, 2021 at 12:10:23AM +1000, Telna via agora-official wrote: > > Having been entered into Moot, I hereby initiate the Agoran Decision to > > determine public confidence in R. Lee's judgement of CFJ 3922. > > > > For this decision, the vote collector is the Arbitor, the voting method > is > > first-past-the-post, and the valid options and their consequences are > listed > > below. (PRESENT is also a valid vote, as are conditional votes) > > * AFFIRM - uphold R. Lee's judgement as final > > * REMAND - reopen the case for reconsideration by R. Lee > > * REMIT - reopen the case, recusing and barring R. Lee > > The quorum for this decision is 6. Please note that a result of FAILED > > QUORUM is treated identically to AFFIRM. > > I vote PRESENT. > I vote REMAND. -Aspen
Re: BUS: Trading with Trigon [attn. Treasuror, Referee]
On Tue, Aug 31, 2021 at 8:57 PM Trigon via agora-business <
agora-business@agoranomic.org> wrote:
> On 01/09/2021 03:55, Trigon wrote:
> > On 01/09/2021 02:46, Trigon wrote:
> >> On 01/09/2021 02:43, Aspen via agora-business wrote:
> >>> I grant the Library the following promise:
> >>>
> >>> {
> >>> Cashing condition: if this promise is cached, by the end of the
> >>> message in
> >>> which this promise is cashed, the bearer will have transferred 5
> >>> blot-b-gones to me.
> >>>
> >>> I transfer two justice cards to the bearer.
> >>> }
> >>>
> >>> -Aspen
> >>>
> >>
> >> I cash this promise.
> >>
> >> I pay a set of four Justice Cards to create in my possession a set of
> >> ten Blot-B-Gones.
> >>
> >> I transfer five Blot-B-Gones to Aspen and thank em for doing business
> >> with me.
> >>
> >
> > Ineffective. I did not have the promise, the library did.
> >
> > I transfer the quoted promise from the library to myself, then I cash
> > that promise, pay a set of 4jc to get 10bg, and transfer 5bg to Aspen.
> >
>
> And while I'm here, I expunge one blot from myself by destroying a
> blot-b-gone.
>
> --
> Trigon
Flagging for the Referee.
Also, I expunge two blots from myself, destroying a blot-b-gone for each.
-Aspen
BUS: Trading with Trigon [attn. Treasuror]
I grant the Library the following promise:
{
Cashing condition: if this promise is cached, by the end of the message in
which this promise is cashed, the bearer will have transferred 5
blot-b-gones to me.
I transfer two justice cards to the bearer.
}
-Aspen
Re: BUS: CFJ 3922 judged TRUE
On Tue, Aug 24, 2021 at 6:37 PM Sarah S. via agora-business
wrote:
>
> D. Wet attempted to create a proposal in an unorthodox manner. Eir message
> is quoted below.
>
> I propose to create a new Rule in the Agoran commmunity to be adopted
> according to the current rule adoption procedure. The Rule is:
>
> Onboarding of Newly Activated Players
>
> 1. Newly Activated Players MUST be requested to take their first Action
> in a timely fashion after being switched to Active.
>
> 2. Players that are Active less than one month MUST actively be
> educated
> when their Action is IMPOSSIBLE within the current Ruleset.
>
> 3. The education in referred to in 2. MUST contain references to N
> specific Rules numbers as to why their Action is ILLEGAL within the
> current Ruleset. N is at least 1 and at most 3 and NEED NOT to lead
> to a
> POSSIBLE Action when taken into account during the next try to act.
>
> The question is whether this message is a proposal. A proposal CAN be
> created by announcement, specifying its text (a proposal is a body of
> text). Per rule 2350 other attributes may be specified as well, but these
> are irrelevant here.
>
> Usually text would be specified with quotation marks, brackets or the like.
> Nonetheless, the words that are meant to be proposal text are clear to me
> here. The message begins "I propose to", which are action words that
> effectuate the requirement to announce. The rest of it is text that is
> clearly meant to be proposal text ('create a new rule...') as they would
> only have function inside a proposal. The process of 'specifying' proposal
> text just needs to clearly distinguish text that's inside the proposal from
> text that's outside of it. In this case the words "I propose to" are
> clearly separated from the rest of the message's text not by formatting or
> punctuation but by the purpose they serve. These words serve the functional
> purpose of announcing the proposal while the other text only makes sense as
> proposal text (this is clear to any reasonable Agoran reader).
>
> 'Specify' and 'clearly specify' are synonyms, as a specification will make
> clear exactly what text is meant to be proposal text. If this is clear,
> then obviously text is both specified and clearly specified.
>
> I judge CFJ 3922 TRUE
I intend, with 2 support, to enter this judgement into moot.
At this point, y'all are probably getting the feeling that I really
don't want this to be a proposal. That's sort of true. My personal
opinion is that this proposal didn't work, because to me the creation
of the proposal seemed ambiguous. However, I do have a more specific
reason for discontentment with this judgement.
I believe that the proposed reading fails to make sense of the text.
The first sentence of the message reads "I propose to create a new
Rule in the Agoran commmunity to be adopted according to the current
rule adoption procedure." There is no sign in the punctuation of that
sentence that it should be split in two, with one part introducing a
proposal and the other part comprising the proposal's text. In fact,
to make this work, the reading actually has to break apart an
infinitive, leaving a dangling "to" that isn't really doing anything.
It just doesn't make syntactic sense. I realize that it does make
semantic sense, but I don't think we should ignore the clear
formatting of a message just because doing so produces a desired
result.
I'd like to pause here to note how extraordinary this interpretation
is. When I looked at this message, it did not even occur to me that
this interpretation was possible, despite the fact that I spent some
time thinking over possible interpretations. Even now, the
interpretation doesn't seem plausible to me.
However, the burden here is actually quite high. To quote the judge,
"a specification will make clear exactly what text is meant to be
proposal text". In other words, this being a plausible interpretation
isn't good enough. It has to be clear that the interpretation is
correct. Given how far this reading goes against the syntactic clues
provided, I don't see how it could possibly be clear to the mythical
reasonable Agoran that this reading is the correct one.
-Aspen
P.S.: I'll also note, tangentially, that I'm not even sure the given
interpretation would accomplish what the author intended. When an
author submits a proposal, e specifies the text, not the intended
result. It seems unlikely to me that the author intended to create a
proposal with this text. Firstly, if e had, that's not the way e would
have done the syntax, per my earlier argument. Then there's the
phrasing e used. E said "I propose to create a new Rule in the Agoran
community to be adopted according to the current rule adoption
procedure". This strongly implies that e believed that we were using
Suber nomic's rule adoption procedure, where one can submit an
individual rule to be coted on. In
Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Treasuror] [Victory Auction] Second Victory Auction of August 2021
On Tue, Aug 24, 2021 at 10:03 PM Sarah S. via agora-business wrote: > > On Wed, Aug 25, 2021 at 3:00 PM Trigon via agora-official < > agora-offic...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > > I, Trigon, the Treasuror of Agora Nomic, being authorized by Rule > > 2629/0, do hereby initiate a Victory Auction. > > > > The first lot is a new Victory Card. > > > > The second lot is the Justice Card owned by the Lost and Found Department. > > > > The currency for this auction shall be the coin. > > > > The procedure for this auction shall be a Selective-Bid Auction, as > > described by the Treasuror's Auction Regulations, which can be found in > > the ACORN at the following link: > > > > < > > https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-official/2021-August/015205.html > > > > > > > -- > > Trigon > > > > ¸¸.•*¨*• Play AGORA QUEST > > > > I’m always happy to become a party to contracts. > > I LOVE SPAGHETTI > > transfer Jason one coin > > nch was here > > I hereby > > don't... trust... the dragon... > > don't... trust... the dragon... > > Do not Construe Jason's message with subject TRIGON as extending this > > > > I bid 500 on victory, 150 on justice 200 for justice. -Aspen
Re: BUS: [Referee] Courtesy Notification
On Mon, Aug 23, 2021 at 8:02 PM Sarah S. via agora-business wrote: > > Aspen's finger was resolved last week, e may claim a voting card I gain a justice card. -Aris
BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8596-8601
I vote as follows: > > 8596& R. Lee 1.0 decimation times 9 AGAINST. This is too soon. Also, when we do this it needs to be more thought out, with appropriate adjustments to contracts and ongoing auctions and the like. > > 8597& R. Lee 1.0 [1] FOR > > 8598& G. 1.0 [1] FOR > > 8599& G., Murphy 1.0 The Device (mark 2) FOR. This seems like a lot of fun. > > 8600& G. 2.0 fix win lockouts ENDORSE Jason. > > 8601& Murphy, Telna 1.0 Adjust late recusal FOR -Aspen
BUS: Finger Pointing [attn. Referee]
I point my finger at myself for Tardiness, and more specifically for failing to publish a Promotor's report on time. The failure arose from ordinary negligence, but I could have gotten the report out easily if I had prioritized it earlier in the week. -Aspen
Re: BUS: [proposal] Paradox Patch
On Thu, Aug 5, 2021 at 2:07 PM Jason Cobb via agora-business
wrote:
>
> On 8/5/21 4:27 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote:
> > Title: Paradox Patch
> >
> > Adoption index: 1.0
> >
> > Author: Jason
> >
> > Coauthors:
> >
> > {
> >
> > Amend Rule 2553 "Win by Paradox" to read, in whole:
> >
> > {
> >
> > If a CFJ about the effectiveness, possibility, or legality of a change
> > in the gamestate has been assigned a judgment of PARADOXICAL
> > continuously for at least 7 days, then that case's initiator, CAN, by
> > announcement, Transcend Logic, provided that e has not already
> > Transcended Logic or won the game with respect to that CFJ. When a
> > person transcends logic, e wins the game.
> >
> > A player who wins in this fashion SHOULD submit a proposal to prevent
> > the paradox from arising again.
> >
> > }
> >
> > }
>
>
> *sigh*
>
> I withdraw the above proposal
>
> I submit, and request certification of, the following proposal:
>
> Title: Paradox Patch
>
> Adoption index: 1.0
>
> Author: Jason
>
> Coauthors: G.
For N from 2 through 5, I intend to certify this proposal with N support.
Re: BUS: New Rule: Onboarding of Newly Activated Players
On Tue, Jul 27, 2021 at 9:31 AM D. Wet via agora-business wrote: > > I propose to create a new Rule in the Agoran commmunity to be adopted > according to the current rule adoption procedure. The Rule is: > > Onboarding of Newly Activated Players > > 1. Newly Activated Players MUST be requested to take their first Action > in a timely fashion after being switched to Active. > > 2. Players that are Active less than one month MUST actively be educated > when their Action is IMPOSSIBLE within the current Ruleset. > > 3. The education in referred to in 2. MUST contain references to N > specific Rules numbers as to why their Action is ILLEGAL within the > current Ruleset. N is at least 1 and at most 3 and NEED NOT to lead to a > POSSIBLE Action when taken into account during the next try to act. I remove this proposal from the pool. This is a purely clerical action to clarify the gamestate, and you should feel to resubmit less ambiguously.
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: AGORA QUEST
Filibuster! I pay CuddleBeam 5 boatloads of coins. -Aspen On Fri, Aug 13, 2021 at 6:02 PM Sarah S. via agora-business < agora-business@agoranomic.org> wrote: > FILIBUSTER > > i pay cb 5 botaloads > > On Sat, Aug 14, 2021 at 8:17 AM Cuddle Beam via agora-business < > agora-business@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > > STEALTH ROLL: SUCCESS > > > > [image: imagen.png] > > > > > > You... see it. It's AGORA - that god-like, formal entity that sometimes > > holds money and other things, with shackles and several scamblades stuck > > into its body... subjugating it. somehow? There are tubes protruding from > > the ground as well, pumping something into these shackles and scamblades, > > making them gradually grow larger. TOP HAT MAN is there, and so is CAT. > > > > "Are you sure you're going to be able to ride em correctly?" TOP HAT > asks, > > for him to then snap his fingers, causing another CFJ tube to emerge from > > the ground and stick into the scam-black bondage. "I'm soon done here > with > > the CFJs." > > > > "Yeah, I got this, Hat." CAT replies, tugging on a chain in her hand, > > causing the avatar of AGORA to spasm violently for a moment, almost > making > > her fall off. "...I think." > > > > "Careful now. Remember the script. Don't deviate." TOP HAT instructs. > > "Alright?" > > > > "Yeah, yeah." she mutters. > > > > "Very well then." TOP HAT adds, and snaps his fingers, causing the tubes > to > > collectively unplug and slowly retreat back into the ground. "I wish you > > the best of luck then, CAT." > > > > [image: imagen.png] > > Then, he too sinks into the ground, and disappears. > > > > "Hey, could you teach me that trick too sometime!" CAT barks, but too > late, > > TOP HAT MAN was gone. > > > > [image: imagen.png] > > > > "Alrightalrightalright." CAT then told herself, and exhaled deeply. Then, > > her eye bolted open with enthusiasm, and she pulled on the chains that > were > > affixed to the deity. "Let's... gooo, go-go-go!" she hissed. > "DICTATORSHIP, > > here I come!" > > > > And at her command, the god lurched forwards. > > > > - Try to run up and yolostab her with your SCAMBLADE. > > - FILIBUSTER to attempt to forcibly delay whatever she's about to do. > > - Bribe her with a GRAY RIBBON to attempt to have her voluntarily stop or > > delay what she's about to do. > > - Ask how you could help with whatever she's doing. > > - DEREGISTER. > > - (Write in) > > > > > > On Fri, Aug 13, 2021 at 10:17 PM Aspen via agora-business < > > agora-business@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > > > > - Carefully sneak in closer and investigate what's going on. > > > > > > I pay Cuddlebeam 5 boatloads of coins. > > > > > > -Aspen > > > > > > On Fri, Aug 13, 2021 at 3:32 AM Cuddle Beam via agora-business > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > "Hey, could I become TAILOR?" you ask. > > > > > > > > "Sure thing." TOP HAT MAN tells you. " I suppose you could also > > DEPUTIZE > > > > for it, but a short ELECTION will do the trick just fine." > > > > > > > > [image: imagen.png] > > > > > > > > A while after, an ELECTION is set up, and a few Agorans vote for YOU > to > > > > become TAILOR - their votes gathering some kind of energy which then, > > > once > > > > they were all made, gathered and floated towards you, infusing you > with > > > new > > > > OFFICER POWERS and OFFICER RESPONSIBILITIES. > > > > > > > > Badaboom, you're the TAILOR now! > > > > > > > > (You can choose to go around with your TAILOR apparel visible, > although > > > you > > > > can change this and adjust your appearance at any time by changing > your > > > > SIGNATURE.) > > > > > > > > [image: imagen.png] > > > > "Don't disappoint now. Keeping an accurate record is important." > > > PLAGUEMASK > > > > tells you, before retreating back to the underground after the small > > > event > > > > is over. "I'm sure he'll do fine." TOP HAT MAN chuckles. > > > > > > > > You can feel the weight of RESPONSIBILITY of the role on your body > like > > > > some ki
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: AGORA QUEST
- Carefully sneak in closer and investigate what's going on. I pay Cuddlebeam 5 boatloads of coins. -Aspen On Fri, Aug 13, 2021 at 3:32 AM Cuddle Beam via agora-business wrote: > > "Hey, could I become TAILOR?" you ask. > > "Sure thing." TOP HAT MAN tells you. " I suppose you could also DEPUTIZE > for it, but a short ELECTION will do the trick just fine." > > [image: imagen.png] > > A while after, an ELECTION is set up, and a few Agorans vote for YOU to > become TAILOR - their votes gathering some kind of energy which then, once > they were all made, gathered and floated towards you, infusing you with new > OFFICER POWERS and OFFICER RESPONSIBILITIES. > > Badaboom, you're the TAILOR now! > > (You can choose to go around with your TAILOR apparel visible, although you > can change this and adjust your appearance at any time by changing your > SIGNATURE.) > > [image: imagen.png] > "Don't disappoint now. Keeping an accurate record is important." PLAGUEMASK > tells you, before retreating back to the underground after the small event > is over. "I'm sure he'll do fine." TOP HAT MAN chuckles. > > You can feel the weight of RESPONSIBILITY of the role on your body like > some kind of gravity, a pull that seems to try to obstruct and slowen you > somewhat. But you also feel invigorated with new POWERS, and by sheer will, > you can now conjure GRAY RIBBONS. > > But wait, as the Agorans return to their normal lives, you notice a shadow > behind the giant RULESET obelisk, looming. Creeping slowly. Something was > going on, and it seems like nobody else has noticed yet. > > [image: imagen.png] > > > > A recap of your current assets: > > [image: imagen.png] > > You have a KILLBLADE - it's a SCAM, and it looks small and very fragile. > You don't know much more about it given your low understanding of the art > of SCAMS, aside from that it seems very dangerous. > You can DANCE A POWERFUL DANCE, pretty well too, in fact! > You know how to FILIBUSTER. A dangerous but powerful, dark art! > Questionable, but it can DELAY your target! > You are the TAILOR, which reduces your mobility slightly, but will give you > income over time as you hand in REPORTS, and you can give GRAY RIBBONS. > > What do you do? > - Point it out and holler for help. > - Carefully sneak in closer and investigate what's going on. > - Stab it with your KILLBLADE! > - (Write in) > > On Thu, Aug 12, 2021 at 1:08 AM Reuben Staley via agora-business < > agora-business@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > > Out of respect for the pacing of the plot, I think our character should > > choose Tailor. If e became treasuror, eir life would quickly be consumed by > > tons of intricate work attempting to automate eir job. The job could also > > lead to an interesting visual quirk what with all the ribbons. > > > > I transfer 5 boatloads of coins to Cuddlebeam. > > > > -- > > Trigon > > > > currently on a phone > > > > On Wed, Aug 11, 2021, 16:13 Cuddle Beam via agora-business < > > agora-business@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > > > > [TAILOR]: COMPLEXITY: 1 (low burden, low pay), you can give GRAY RIBBONS > > > once per REPORT. > > > [REFEREE]: COMPLEXITY: 2 (medium burden, medium pay), you can dispense > > the > > > COLD HAND OF JUSTICE. > > > [TREASUROR]: COMPLEXITY: 3 (high burden, highest pay). Controls various > > > AUCTIONS. > > > > > > - Choose to become the TAILOR > > > - Choose to become the REFEREE > > > - Choose to become the TREASUROR > > > - Hey, screw being an OFFICER, I'm going to make a > > > choose-your-adventure-like game for the Agorans to play for money and > > busk > > > some dosh that way. > > > - Write-in > >
Re: BUS: Re: OFF: CFJ 3922 Assigned to Murphy (attn Treasuror)
On Sun, Aug 8, 2021 at 4:59 PM Kerim Aydin via agora-business wrote: > > > On 8/8/2021 3:33 PM, Edward Murphy via agora-business wrote: > > The rules actually say "clearly specify" at one other point (Rule 107, > > Initiating Agoran Decisions). In this case, while "exactly which part of > > this message constitutes the text of the intended proposal" is somewhat > > unclear, it isn't substantially unclear; any reasonable interpretation > > still leads to a proposal that, > > I intend to motion to reconsider this judgement with 2 support. > > In this judgement, the judge is (1) claiming the text is clearly > specified, but (2) then says it's somewhat unclear, but then (3) says any > reasonable interpretation works, but (4) then doesn't actually give an > interpretation, that's not clarifying at all (in direct contradiction to > the stated judgement). > > Regardless of the fact that multiple interpretations might lead to a > proposal that gives the same result, that does not make a single text > clear, and a single text is required. If "any reasonable" interpretation > is possible, then there's no clear single interpretation, which the rule > requires. > > -G. I strongly support and do so. -The Promotor, who likes knowing what e supposed to put in eir reports
Re: BUS: Fwd: [cfj] simultaneous again
I unfavor the case. Apologies for being wishy washy. On further reflection, I've concluded that another commitment is maybe not what I need right now. I'm not sure, but I think I'd rather err on the side of caution until I become sure. -Aspen On Fri, Aug 6, 2021 at 9:44 PM Aspen wrote: > > I favor this case. > > -Aspen > > On Fri, Aug 6, 2021 at 6:06 PM Kerim Aydin via agora-business > wrote: >> >> >> [lol sigh. one more err want to get this exact.] >> >> I withdraw the most recent CFJ I called. >> >> >> I simultaneously plan to flip my focus to Legacy and plan to flip my focus >> to Compliance. >> >> >> I CFJ: Assuming G. announces no further focus plans, eir focus will flip >> to Legacy at the beginning of the next month. >> >> >> Evidence: >> >> Rule 2638/0[extract] >> An active player CAN Plan to Flip eir own Ministry Focus, >> specifying any valid value for eir Ministry Focus, by >> announcement. At the beginning of a month, every active player's >> Ministry Focus is set to the value e mostly recently specified by >> Planning to Flip. If a player did not Plan to Flip eir Ministry >> Focus switch in the last month, it is not flipped. >> >> Arguments: >> >> Rule 478/39 reads in part: >> Any action performed by sending a message is >>performed at the time date-stamped on that message. Actions in >>messages (including sub-messages) are performed in the order they >>appear in the message, unless otherwise specified. >> >> The "unless otherwise specified" seems like a bit of a security hole, >> given that several mechanisms in the rules would break if people could >> perform multiple actions simultaneously. But I can't find a prohibition >> against that - the "in the order they appear" is written not as a limit, >> but as a default that can be overridden - can it go so far to specify "at >> exactly the same moment (simultaneous)"? >>
Re: BUS: Fwd: [cfj] simultaneous again
I favor this case. -Aspen On Fri, Aug 6, 2021 at 6:06 PM Kerim Aydin via agora-business < agora-business@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > [lol sigh. one more err want to get this exact.] > > I withdraw the most recent CFJ I called. > > > I simultaneously plan to flip my focus to Legacy and plan to flip my focus > to Compliance. > > > I CFJ: Assuming G. announces no further focus plans, eir focus will flip > to Legacy at the beginning of the next month. > > > Evidence: > > Rule 2638/0[extract] > An active player CAN Plan to Flip eir own Ministry Focus, > specifying any valid value for eir Ministry Focus, by > announcement. At the beginning of a month, every active player's > Ministry Focus is set to the value e mostly recently specified by > Planning to Flip. If a player did not Plan to Flip eir Ministry > Focus switch in the last month, it is not flipped. > > Arguments: > > Rule 478/39 reads in part: > Any action performed by sending a message is >performed at the time date-stamped on that message. Actions in >messages (including sub-messages) are performed in the order they >appear in the message, unless otherwise specified. > > The "unless otherwise specified" seems like a bit of a security hole, > given that several mechanisms in the rules would break if people could > perform multiple actions simultaneously. But I can't find a prohibition > against that - the "in the order they appear" is written not as a limit, > but as a default that can be overridden - can it go so far to specify "at > exactly the same moment (simultaneous)"? > >
Re: BUS: New Rule: Onboarding of Newly Activated Players
On Tue, Jul 27, 2021 at 9:31 AM D. Wet via agora-business wrote: > > I propose to create a new Rule in the Agoran commmunity to be adopted > according to the current rule adoption procedure. The Rule is: > > Onboarding of Newly Activated Players > > 1. Newly Activated Players MUST be requested to take their first Action > in a timely fashion after being switched to Active. > > 2. Players that are Active less than one month MUST actively be educated > when their Action is IMPOSSIBLE within the current Ruleset. > > 3. The education in referred to in 2. MUST contain references to N > specific Rules numbers as to why their Action is ILLEGAL within the > current Ruleset. N is at least 1 and at most 3 and NEED NOT to lead to a > POSSIBLE Action when taken into account during the next try to act. I'm afraid it's a bit unclear whether this worked. Submitting proposals is governed by Rule 2350. There's specific information that needs to be specified when you create a proposal. A lot of it is optional, but the one thing that's absolutely essential is the text. Here, it's unclear where the text of the proposal begins and ends. I CFJ "D. Wet has created a proposal in the last 7 days." -Aspen
Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Treasuror] [Auction Regulations] Selective-Bid Fixes
On Mon, Aug 2, 2021 at 1:17 PM Jason Cobb via agora-business <
agora-business@agoranomic.org> wrote:
> On 8/2/21 4:13 PM, Trigon via agora-official wrote:
> > The deadline for the last Selective Bid fixes was yesterday. Whoops.
> > Better do this again, for the third time.
> >
> > I intend, with 2 Agoran consent, to apply the following changes to the
> > Auction Regulations:
> >
> > {
> >
> > Amend Regulation AM0 by, as a single amendment:
> > {
> >
> > In the paragraph beginning "BIDDING:", deleting "specifying a number of
> > the auction's currency as eir bid not equal to the bid of another player"
> >
> > After that paragraph, inserting the following paragraph:
> > {
> >
> > EXCLUSIVITY: Bids in an auction are grouped into classes of that
> > auction. Unless otherwise specified,
> > all bids in a given auction are in a single class. A bid CANNOT be made
> > if, in the class it
> > would be in, another bid already exists with the bid amount of the
> > hypothetical bid.
> >
> > }
> >
> > }
> >
> > Amend Regulation AM5 by inserting the following as a new list item after
> > the one starting with "Bidding messages": "One bid class exists for each
> > lot of a given auction, with bids falling into the class for the
> > specified lot."
> >
> > Amend AM5 by replacing:
> >
> > * The Nth awardee of a selective-bid auction is the player who
> > placed the highest active bid whose preferred bid is the Nth
> > lot.
> >
> > with:
> >
> > * The Nth awardee of a selective-bid auction is the player who
> > placed the highest bid in the set of bids made by funded, non
> > withdrawn players whose preferred bid is the Nth lot.
> >
> > }
> >
>
> I support.
>
> I support. I haven't had a chance to read this yet, but, I mean, it's
Trigon.
-Aspen
BUS: [Promotor] Removal
On Fri, Jul 2, 2021 at 8:30 PM OatmealSurprise via agora-business wrote: > > I (Mask) hereby propose the following: > """ > Reduce, Reuse, Recycle > On successful repeal of a rule, the player who proposed the repeal gains 2 > Pendants. > """ I remove this proposal from the proposal pool.
Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Referee] Administrative Regulations Amendments
On Sun, Jul 11, 2021 at 9:53 PM ais523 via agora-business < agora-business@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On Mon, 2021-07-12 at 14:46 +1000, Rebecca Lee via agora-official wrote: > > I intend with 1.5 Agoran Consent to repeal Regulation RA0/0, "Limitations > > to Powers of Interim Referees". It refers to a mechanism (Summary > Judgment) > > that no longer exists in the same form, and the Holiday thing is silly, > why > > would an interim Referee be any different to a permanent one in that > > respect. I'm no longer interim so Ive no personal interest here. > > > > I intend w/ 1.5 Agoran Consent to retitle Regulation RA1/0 to > "Tardiness". > > I intend w/ 1.5 Agoran Consent to amend the Regulation to state "The > > Referee SHALL NOT impose a fine above one blot for Tardiness unless the > > Tardiness is for an obligation which has been missed for more than 14 > days, > > or unless the Tardiness is intentional". > > > > I intend w/ 1.5 Agoran Consent to repeal Regulation RA3/0 (not needed) > > I support the first three of these intents. (This message does not > contain support nor opposition to the fourth.) > I support the first three and object to the fourth. -Aspen
BUS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] Resolving elections [attn. Tailor]
On Sun, Jul 4, 2021 at 4:47 PM Edward Murphy via agora-official wrote: > > I resolve elections as follows. > > Promotor: Aspen (fka Aris) wins as sole nominee. I award myself an emerald ribbon. -Aspen
Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Herald] 2021 Birthday Tournament: Survivor
On Fri, Jul 2, 2021 at 7:08 PM Aris wrote: > > > On Fri, Jul 2, 2021 at 12:43 PM Gaelan Steele via agora-business < > agora-business@agoranomic.org> wrote: > >> >> >> > On Jul 2, 2021, at 11:21 AM, Jason Cobb via agora-business < >> agora-business@agoranomic.org> wrote: >> > >> > I become a contestant. >> >> As do I. >> >> Gaelan > > > I enter the contest. > > -Aris > I don't know if it matters, but as a TTttPF: I become a contestant. -Aris
Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposal 8575 [attn. ADoP, Treasuror]
On Sun, Jul 4, 2021 at 4:58 PM Rebecca Lee via agora-business wrote: > > Link to retraction of reduce sparkle andcreation of new proposal > > https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/202 > > This was sent to the right forum despite header. > > On Mon, Jul 5, 2021, 9:55 AM Rebecca Lee via agora-business < > agora-business@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > > COE: the reduce sparkle proposal was retracted. I made a new proposal named > > it's a grey grey world that you missed. I linked that message 2 times in > > discord. I sincerely apologize. My performance has been unacceptable. I pay R. Lee 200 coins. I call an election for Registrar. I resign Registrar. I don't think I have time to give two offices sufficient attention. I was planning to do this as soon as I made the IRC a discussion forum, but it can't wait any longer. -Aspen
