DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting Limits and Credits Report

2007-07-23 Thread Ed Murphy
Zefram wrote: Ed Murphy wrote: Player VLDP EVLOP VVLOP VCs (* = Gray) root 1 6 1111* 1B You haven't applied the end-of-week change that copies VVLOP to EVLOP.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Intended [IADoP] Org Chart

2007-07-23 Thread Zefram
Ed Murphy wrote: Zefram wrote: Wooble recently reported on protectorates. Message-ID? I don't see this one in the a-o archive. [EMAIL PROTECTED] It was to a-o. It replaced an earlier attempt at an ambassador's report, also to a-o, on the same day. -zefram

DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting Limits and Credits Report

2007-07-23 Thread Ed Murphy
Rule 1551 says, in part: When a document is ratified, the gamestate is modified so that the ratified document was completely true and accurate at the time it was published. Nevertheless, the ratification of a document does not invalidate, reverse, alter, or cancel any

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Intended [IADoP] Org Chart

2007-07-23 Thread Ed Murphy
Zefram wrote: Ed Murphy wrote: Zefram wrote: Wooble recently reported on protectorates. Message-ID? I don't see this one in the a-o archive. [EMAIL PROTECTED] It was to a-o. It replaced an earlier attempt at an ambassador's report, also to a-o, on the same day. Oh, I do have that on

DIS: Re: OFF: judicial status

2007-07-23 Thread Ed Murphy
Zefram wrote: open judicial cases For the benefit of those who prefer tables: Case Question Applicable Open Assigned Judge / Panel 1621 veracity 8 Feb 07 26 Jun 07 18 Jul 07 OscarMeyr 1651

DIS: Judicial reform and the CotC DB

2007-07-23 Thread Ed Murphy
I've changed Lying down to Supine. I've added UNDECIDABLE, IRRELEVANT, UNDETERMINED (veracity), AFFIRM and OVERRULE (disposition) to the list of possible judgements. I have not altered any data on past cases. There is no code for recording judgements for culpability or sentencing, nor (due to

DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposals 5080 - 5087

2007-07-23 Thread Geoffrey Spear
I believe my votes on these proposals were submitted within the voting period to the proper forum and were not counted. On 7/22/07, Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Voting results for Proposals 5080 - 5087: NUM FL AI SUBMITTER TITLE 5080 Oi 1Murphy Compensate for vacant

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting Limits and Credits Report

2007-07-23 Thread Zefram
Ed Murphy wrote: The recently ratified Assessor's Report lists two dependencies on CFJ 1688 in the history (left untouched by the second sentence of the above excerpt), but not in the totals (which may or may not be affected by the first sentence): I have interpreted these notes in the history as

DIS: Re: OFF: assignment of appeal 1684a to HP2/Murphy, Zefram, BobTHJ

2007-07-23 Thread Zefram
BobTHJ, what is your opinion on appeal 1684a? Under the reformed judicial rules, we need to submit a single judgement as a panel, rather than three separate judgements. -zefram

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: distribution of proposals 5098-5106

2007-07-23 Thread Zefram
Ian Kelly wrote: 5098 Oi 1BobTHJ Bad Taste AGAINST x 11 Your voting limit on ordinary proposals in this batch is 6, because they were distributed last week. Your EVLOP didn't increase to 11 until the beginning of this week. In addition to the use stated in the proposal, Timing Orders

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: distribution of proposals 5098-5106

2007-07-23 Thread Ian Kelly
On 7/23/07, Zefram [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ian Kelly wrote: 5098 Oi 1BobTHJ Bad Taste AGAINST x 11 Your voting limit on ordinary proposals in this batch is 6, because they were distributed last week. Your EVLOP didn't increase to 11 until the beginning of this week. Does this

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: distribution of proposals 5098-5106

2007-07-23 Thread Zefram
Ian Kelly wrote: Does this mean I've voted AGAINST x 6 or not voted at all? You've cast six valid votes AGAINST, which will count, plus five invalid ones. A while ago, when VLOPs were mutating more frequently, I pondered a policy of always voting x , to avoid having to look up my voting

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: distribution of proposals 5098-5106

2007-07-23 Thread Zefram
Ian Kelly wrote: It would be good to have R2117 subsumed into deputation as well, but that's a more complex change. Yes, it seems odd to me that we have such a different procedure for that. I'd rather we had an asap requirement for vote collectors to resolve Agoran decisions, then deputisation

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Retroactively colorize VCs

2007-07-23 Thread Benjamin Schultz
On Jul 23, 2007, at 5:32 PM, Zefram wrote: Benjamin Schultz wrote: Does this have to be done through a rule? Yes. R2126 says VCs CANNOT be affected except as described in this rule.. So it needs to be a rule that takes precedence over R2126, or modify R2126 itself, or modify the rules that

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: distribution of proposals 5088-5097

2007-07-23 Thread Zefram
Benjamin Schultz wrote: 5092 Dd 2Zefram lower minimum quorum to four AGAINST 5093 Dd 2Zefram lower minimum quorum to three FOR The idea with these proposals is that you vote for your preferred minimum quorum and also for all the higher ones. Presumably if you want a minimum

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting Limits and Credits Report

2007-07-23 Thread Ed Murphy
Zefram wrote: Ed Murphy wrote: I recommend a proposal to clarify this paragraph of Rule 1551 (which Proposal 5101 does not attempt to alter), P5101 makes the scope of ratification clearer. What aspect of R1551 do you think needs to be further clarified? What happens if the ratified

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: distribution of proposals 5098-5106

2007-07-23 Thread Ed Murphy
Zefram wrote: Ian Kelly wrote: It would be good to have R2117 subsumed into deputation as well, but that's a more complex change. Yes, it seems odd to me that we have such a different procedure for that. R2117 was one of the specific instances from which deputation was generalized; the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: distribution of proposals 5088-5097

2007-07-23 Thread Ed Murphy
Zefram wrote: The idea with these proposals is that you vote for your preferred minimum quorum and also for all the higher ones. Presumably if you want a minimum quorum of three then you also think that four would be an improvement (though a lesser one) on the present five. If three doesn't

DIS: Re: BUS: Proto: Why not to repeal Rule 1795

2007-07-23 Thread Roger Hicks
On 7/23/07, Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Upon the adoption of this proposal, Zefram incurs a requirement to publish a sonnet within three minutes after the adoption of this proposal. That's a bit harsh isn't it? I mean I would give em 5 minutes at least BobTHJ

DIS: Re: BUS: Proto: Why not to repeal Rule 1795

2007-07-23 Thread Zefram
Ed Murphy wrote: Proto-Proposal: Why not to repeal Rule 1795 R1795 wouldn't do much to stop you if you wanted to do that. My favoured arrangement is that proposals should not be able to impose obligations directly (no more than they can create legal fictions), so if you wanted to impose a