DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJs 1922-23 assigned to root

2008-04-15 Thread Ian Kelly
On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 7:04 PM, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > == CFJ 1922 == > > Murphy has at least one bean. > > == CFJ 1923 == > > pikhq has a bean. > =

Re: DIS: second life

2008-04-15 Thread Michael Norrish
Geoffrey Spear wrote: On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 3:46 PM, Ben Caplan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I've secretly hoped for some time that Agora could establish embassies in various graphical MMOs. I believe I came to the conclusion that EVE would be the best place to start, at least in principle. (

Re: DIS: second life

2008-04-15 Thread Ben Caplan
On Tuesday 15 April 2008 5:14:56 Ian Kelly wrote: > On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 3:58 PM, Ben Caplan wrote: > > I strongly suspect that a Second Life embassy would fall to the same > > fate as Nomic Hall. Precisely because SL is so powerfully scriptable, > > there is essentially no central government

Re: DIS: second life

2008-04-15 Thread Ian Kelly
On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 3:58 PM, Ben Caplan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I strongly suspect that a Second Life embassy would fall to the same > fate as Nomic Hall. Precisely because SL is so powerfully scriptable, > there is essentially no central government (so to speak): each region > of in-g

Re: DIS: second life

2008-04-15 Thread Ben Caplan
On Tuesday 15 April 2008 4:14:32 Ian Kelly wrote: > This is starting to sound a lot like the Nomic Hall MOO that some > Agorans tried to start back around 2004, which [...] > before long the interest in keeping > it going ran out. If an effort like that were to hap

Re: DIS: second life

2008-04-15 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Tue, 15 Apr 2008, Ian Kelly wrote: > This is starting to sound a lot like the Nomic Hall MOO that some > Agorans tried to start back around 2004, which was envisioned as a > sort of meeting place where various nomics could establish embassies. Since then, we've had (a few) more interactions wi

DIS: Re: BUS: Agree to support two

2008-04-15 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Tue, 15 Apr 2008, Charles Reiss wrote: > Uh, okay... > > I withdraw my previously submitted proposal titled "Agree2Support II" > (submitted in the message at > http://www.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/2008-April/010098.html). > Goethe, did you not notice this? I did, in

Re: DIS: second life

2008-04-15 Thread Ian Kelly
On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 2:39 PM, Ben Caplan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tuesday 15 April 2008 3:19:47 Geoffrey Spear wrote: > > Bah. Unless the MMO engines release their source and democratically > > apply patches submitted by Players, we should shun them entirely. > > > > Now excuse me wh

Re: DIS: second life

2008-04-15 Thread Ben Caplan
On Tuesday 15 April 2008 3:19:47 Geoffrey Spear wrote: > Bah. Unless the MMO engines release their source and democratically > apply patches submitted by Players, we should shun them entirely. > > Now excuse me while I try to figure out how I could get myself enough > free time to implement a 3D

Re: DIS: second life

2008-04-15 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 3:46 PM, Ben Caplan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've secretly hoped for some time that Agora could establish embassies > in various graphical MMOs. I believe I came to the conclusion that EVE > would be the best place to start, at least in principle. (In practice, > it

Re: DIS: Proto: Contract Cleanup, take two

2008-04-15 Thread Ben Caplan
On Tuesday 15 April 2008 12:57:36 Ian Kelly wrote: > It seems to me that the reference to "minimum number of parties" is > The key difference between a pledge and > another contract is not the minimum number of parties, but the fact > that a regular contract constitutes an agreement between its mem

Re: DIS: second life

2008-04-15 Thread Ben Caplan
On Monday 14 April 2008 7:11:10 Ian Kelly wrote: > On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 5:26 PM, David Nicol <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > has anyone set up any Agora space on Second Life? > > Not so far as I'm aware, but now that you mention it, a Second Life > Nomic could be pretty interesting. Like Nomic

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Fixing elections

2008-04-15 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Tue, 15 Apr 2008, Geoffrey Spear wrote: > On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 6:08 AM, Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> As soon as possible after the nomination period ends, then: (a) if >> there is only one consenting candidate, the IADoP SHALL install em >> in the Office by ann

Re: DIS: Proto: Contract Cleanup, take two

2008-04-15 Thread Ian Kelly
On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 11:57 AM, Ian Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So it seems to me that this should just read > "by a party without objection, if the contract is a pledge". Plus the ugly verbiage about blocking changes, of course. -root

Re: DIS: Proto: Contract Cleanup, take two

2008-04-15 Thread Ian Kelly
On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 11:48 AM, Charles Reiss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Issue: A makes a pledge 'if someone X, then I will Y as soon as > possible.' B does X in reference to the pledge. Then before the > deadline arrives, co-conspirator C joins the pledge and terminates it > with the agree

Re: DIS: Proto: Contract Cleanup, take two

2008-04-15 Thread Charles Reiss
On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 1:40 PM, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > root wrote: > > > On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 12:06 AM, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> [Zefram, root, you voted against the previous version of this; would > >> you support this revision?] > > > > What's the diffe

Re: DIS: Proto: Contract Cleanup, take two

2008-04-15 Thread Ed Murphy
root wrote: > On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 12:06 AM, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> [Zefram, root, you voted against the previous version of this; would >> you support this revision?] > > What's the difference from the previous version? Mainly "any of these" in both parts of the revised R2

Re: DIS: Proto: Contract Cleanup, take two

2008-04-15 Thread Ian Kelly
On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 10:59 AM, Ian Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This removes the bit about allowing parties to the pledge to block the > change by announcement. As I recall, the purpose of that clause was > to protect parties to pledges who don't have first-class members in > their ba

Re: DIS: Proto: Contract Cleanup, take two

2008-04-15 Thread Ian Kelly
On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 12:06 AM, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [Zefram, root, you voted against the previous version of this; would > you support this revision?] What's the difference from the previous version? I voted against the last one because I generally dislike "cleaning" propos

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: AAA offer

2008-04-15 Thread Zefram
Kerim Aydin wrote: >A case to consider. You offer to give me a quatloo for a tingo. I say >"okay" and give you a tingo. You say "I've changed my mind, here's the >tingo back." Is the contract broken, or is equity satisfied? Both. -zefram

Re: DIS: Interim update on Ambassador nominations

2008-04-15 Thread Ian Kelly
On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 7:32 AM, Geoffrey Spear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The way I read the rules, Murphy CANNOT install comex, Pavitra, or > woggle (since none of them have consented), so there's no waiting > period in effect for the action of installing them. So if one of them were to co

Re: DIS: Interim update on Ambassador nominations

2008-04-15 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 6:31 PM, Ian Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 4:26 PM, Geoffrey Spear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I read "and consents" there as meaning I only SHALL do that if another > > active player consents to eir nomination within the minimum waiting

DIS: Re: BUS: Fixing elections

2008-04-15 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 6:08 AM, Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > As soon as possible after the nomination period ends, then: (a) if > there is only one consenting candidate, the IADoP SHALL install em > in the Office by announcement; (b) if there are two or more > c

Re: DIS: Proto-Contest: The Fight Arena

2008-04-15 Thread Buddha Buck
On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 8:20 AM, Iammars <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 7:59 AM, Iammars <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 7:56 AM, Buddha Buck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 11:38 PM, Iammars <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >

Re: DIS: Proto-Contest: The Fight Arena

2008-04-15 Thread Iammars
Never mind. I forgot the number 1 rule of internet knowledge. When in doubt, go to Wikipedia. On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 7:59 AM, Iammars <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 7:56 AM, Buddha Buck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 11:38 PM, Iammars <[EMAIL PRO

Re: DIS: Proto-Contest: The Fight Arena

2008-04-15 Thread Iammars
On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 7:56 AM, Buddha Buck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 11:38 PM, Iammars <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >3. These should be fixed by the new Rule 8. I already have the > rule > > in my head, and I added a bit so you can punish me if I change it. If

Re: DIS: Proto-Contest: The Fight Arena

2008-04-15 Thread Buddha Buck
On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 11:38 PM, Iammars <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >3. These should be fixed by the new Rule 8. I already have the rule > in my head, and I added a bit so you can punish me if I change it. If you > want, I can send it to somebody so they know I'm not cheating, but I'd have

Re: DIS: Proto-Contest: The Fight Arena

2008-04-15 Thread Iammars
Taral: Ah. Gotcha. On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 11:38 PM, Iammars <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Current proto-text: > > 1 - Contractness > The name of this contract is "The Fight Arena". This is a public > contract. > 2 - Referee > The Referee is responsible for maintaining this contract. I