On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:56 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote:
> ais523's "fix" is not to be trusted. Read it. "If a rule mentions
> the possibility... that someone can modify the rules by announcement,
> then someone can modify the rules by announcement." If it passes,
> whether or not mine succeeds, it m
On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 12:51 PM, Elliott Hird
wrote:
> Y'know, I don't think anyone's going to spoof you for Agora.
I used to sign everything. I would still, but gmail doesn't support PGP.
--
Taral
"Please let me know if there's any further trouble I can give you."
-- Unknown
2009/3/3 Kerim Aydin :
> Ah well ais523, they've seen through our little "build the actual scam
> into the scam fix" thing. -G.
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On Tue, 3 Mar 2009, Jonatan Kilhamn wrote:
> 2009/3/3 Alex Smith :
>> On Tue, 2009-03-03 at 22:36 +0100, Jonatan Kilhamn wrote:
>>> 2009/3/3 Taral :
On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 6:09 AM, Alex Smith wrote:
> Voting for this one could be useful insurance against whatever Goethe is
> trying.
2009/3/3 Benjamin Caplan :
> I believe that people should use strong encryption by default,
> regardless of whether a specific reason to do so exists.
A commendable goal; unfortunately building such things on email is quite a pain.
> Is PGP/MIME (as in this message) less obtrusive? (this will dep
On Tue, 3 Mar 2009, Jonatan Kilhamn wrote:
> 2009/3/3 Taral :
>> On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 6:09 AM, Alex Smith wrote:
>>> Voting for this one could be useful insurance against whatever Goethe is
>>> trying. We already have H. Cassandra Goethe, don't make me a Cassandra
>>> too...
>>
>> Change amend
2009/3/3 Alex Smith :
> On Tue, 2009-03-03 at 22:36 +0100, Jonatan Kilhamn wrote:
>> 2009/3/3 Taral :
>> > On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 6:09 AM, Alex Smith wrote:
>> >> Voting for this one could be useful insurance against whatever Goethe is
>> >> trying. We already have H. Cassandra Goethe, don't make
On Tue, 2009-03-03 at 22:36 +0100, Jonatan Kilhamn wrote:
> 2009/3/3 Taral :
> > On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 6:09 AM, Alex Smith wrote:
> >> Voting for this one could be useful insurance against whatever Goethe is
> >> trying. We already have H. Cassandra Goethe, don't make me a Cassandra
> >> too...
>
2009/3/3 Taral :
> On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 6:09 AM, Alex Smith wrote:
>> Voting for this one could be useful insurance against whatever Goethe is
>> trying. We already have H. Cassandra Goethe, don't make me a Cassandra
>> too...
>
> Change amend to repeal, and I'll vote for it.
>
Me too. What was
On Tue, 3 Mar 2009, Benjamin Caplan wrote:
> I believe that people should use strong encryption by default,
> regardless of whether a specific reason to do so exists.
>
> Is PGP/MIME (as in this message) less obtrusive? (this will depend on
> whether your email client properly handles MIME encodin
On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 6:09 AM, Alex Smith wrote:
> Voting for this one could be useful insurance against whatever Goethe is
> trying. We already have H. Cassandra Goethe, don't make me a Cassandra
> too...
Change amend to repeal, and I'll vote for it.
--
Taral
"Please let me know if there's a
Elliott Hird wrote:
> 2009/3/3 Benjamin Caplan :
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2009/3/3 Elliott Hird :
> 2009/3/3 Benjamin Caplan :
>> This seems like an excellent reason /for/ Agora to interfere.
>>
>> R2147: "...Agora, being the superpower of nomics, has an inherent
>> responsibility to lead the nomic world; and ... Agora desires to
>> encourage growth and promotion of the
2009/3/3 Benjamin Caplan :
> This seems like an excellent reason /for/ Agora to interfere.
>
> R2147: "...Agora, being the superpower of nomics, has an inherent
> responsibility to lead the nomic world; and ... Agora desires to
> encourage growth and promotion of the nomic community..."
They die o
2009/3/3 Benjamin Caplan :
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Elliott Hird wrote:
> 2009/3/3 Elliott Hird :
>> Any activity.
>>
>> einos is run by our player Craig/Teucer, and since we can make it a
>> Protectorate we might as well.
>>
>> The Ambassador handles recognition changes.
>>
>
> Although, let's not rec
On Tue, 3 Mar 2009, Aaron Goldfein wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 11:57 AM, Ed Murphy wrote:
>> It was reasonably clear that you intended to initiate a case, but the
>> details were considerably less clear; presumably an inquiry case on
>> "I am a person", but the Yoda-esque alteration of word o
On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 11:57 AM, Ed Murphy wrote:
> ais523 wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 2009-03-03 at 09:37 -0800, Ed Murphy wrote:
> >> Oh, so you're interpreting R2150 as "must include". Again, though, this
> >> is trivially satisfied by your theoretical ability to hire one or more
> >> sufficiently c
On Tue, 3 Mar 2009, Geoffrey Spear wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:38 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote:
>> The relevant question here isn't whether she can communicate, but whether
>> she can understand well enough to be her own legal person (e.g. it might
>> rely on being able to communicate consent, etc
On Tue, 3 Mar 2009, Elliott Hird wrote:
> 2009/3/3 Kerim Aydin :
>> The relevant question here isn't whether she can communicate, but whether
>> she can understand well enough to be her own legal person (e.g. it might
>> rely on being able to communicate consent, etc.). Something of the sort
>> c
On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:38 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote:
> The relevant question here isn't whether she can communicate, but whether
> she can understand well enough to be her own legal person (e.g. it might
> rely on being able to communicate consent, etc.). Something of the sort
> came up around CFJ
2009/3/3 Kerim Aydin :
> The relevant question here isn't whether she can communicate, but whether
> she can understand well enough to be her own legal person (e.g. it might
> rely on being able to communicate consent, etc.). Something of the sort
> came up around CFJ 1856; following that attempte
On Tue, 3 Mar 2009, Elliott Hird wrote:
> 2009/3/3 Ed Murphy :
>> CFJ: Murphy's daughter Victoria is a person.
>>
>> Caller's arguments:
>>
>> Victoria is five years old, with the typical physical and mental
>> capabilities thereof. Obviously she meets the ordinary-language
>> definition; this
2009/3/3 Ed Murphy :
> CFJ: Murphy's daughter Victoria is a person.
>
> Caller's arguments:
>
> Victoria is five years old, with the typical physical and mental
> capabilities thereof. Obviously she meets the ordinary-language
> definition; this case pertains to the Rule 2150 definition.
>
> In p
On Tue, 3 Mar 2009, Jonatan Kilhamn wrote:
> 2009/3/2 Kerim Aydin :
>>
>> On Mon, 2 Mar 2009, Elliott Hird wrote:
I nominate myself for Anarchist (now *that* I can handle)
>>
>> I nominate tiger for Anarchist (not wholly fair to make a new player/
>> officer who's doing a good job have to kee
On Tue, 3 Mar 2009, Alex Smith wrote:
> It doesn't claim to be a pledge, and it only has one party (if that).
> Therefore, it cannot by definition be a contract.
Murphy offers a service which is binding onto em. You accept by acting on
it. This is a common-language agreement. There is no curr
On Tue, 2009-03-03 at 09:57 -0800, Ed Murphy wrote:
> ais523 wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 2009-03-03 at 09:37 -0800, Ed Murphy wrote:
> >> Oh, so you're interpreting R2150 as "must include". Again, though, this
> >> is trivially satisfied by your theoretical ability to hire one or more
> >> sufficiently
ais523 wrote:
> On Tue, 2009-03-03 at 09:37 -0800, Ed Murphy wrote:
>> Oh, so you're interpreting R2150 as "must include". Again, though, this
>> is trivially satisfied by your theoretical ability to hire one or more
>> sufficiently competent human translators.
>
> Is a theoretical ability enoug
On Tue, 2009-03-03 at 09:44 -0800, Kerim Aydin wrote:
> On Tue, 3 Mar 2009, Ed Murphy wrote:
> > ais523 wrote:
> >> On Tue, 2009-03-03 at 09:26 -0800, Ed Murphy wrote:
> >>> Rule 2150 does not specify the type or quality of the translation
> >>> service. Also, English-to-Hungarian-to-English is no
On Tue, 2009-03-03 at 09:37 -0800, Ed Murphy wrote:
> Oh, so you're interpreting R2150 as "must include". Again, though, this
> is trivially satisfied by your theoretical ability to hire one or more
> sufficiently competent human translators.
Is a theoretical ability enough, though? For instance,
On Tue, 3 Mar 2009, Ed Murphy wrote:
> ais523 wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 2009-03-03 at 09:26 -0800, Ed Murphy wrote:
>>> Rule 2150 does not specify the type or quality of the translation
>>> service. Also, English-to-Hungarian-to-English is not an ideal test
>>> of native-Hungarian-to-English.
>> Rule 2
On Tue, 2009-03-03 at 09:34 -0800, Kerim Aydin wrote:
> On Tue, 3 Mar 2009, Alex Smith wrote:
> > I interpreted this as relatively clear consent to allow me to act on
> > Murphy's behalf support such an intent, although not as being a
> > contract. Note that my intent to protectorise Einos came aft
ais523 wrote:
> On Tue, 2009-03-03 at 09:26 -0800, Ed Murphy wrote:
>> Rule 2150 does not specify the type or quality of the translation
>> service. Also, English-to-Hungarian-to-English is not an ideal test
>> of native-Hungarian-to-English.
> Rule 2150 requires me to be able to participate via
On Tue, 3 Mar 2009, Alex Smith wrote:
> I interpreted this as relatively clear consent to allow me to act on
> Murphy's behalf support such an intent, although not as being a
> contract. Note that my intent to protectorise Einos came after Murphy's
> comment quoted above, although before the CFJ w
On Tue, 2009-03-03 at 09:26 -0800, Ed Murphy wrote:
> Rule 2150 does not specify the type or quality of the translation
> service. Also, English-to-Hungarian-to-English is not an ideal test
> of native-Hungarian-to-English.
Rule 2150 requires me to be able to participate via a translation
service.
On Tue, 3 Mar 2009, Alex Smith wrote:
> I call on the conviction of the person I am. "
>
> Arguments:
> The only rule in 2150 through the definition of what a person:
> (((
>Any organization that is generally capable of biological
>communicating by email in English (including tr
ais523 wrote:
> I call on the conviction of the person I am. "
Ineffective, the statement is not clearly identified.
> Arguments:
> The only rule in 2150 through the definition of what a person:
> (((
> Any organization that is generally capable of biological
> communicating
On Tue, 2009-03-03 at 09:05 -0800, Kerim Aydin wrote:
> On Tue, 3 Mar 2009, Alex Smith wrote:
> > On Tue, 2009-03-03 at 14:20 +, Elliott Hird wrote:
> >> 2009/3/3 Alex Smith :
> >
> > I'm all for legitimate scams.
> >
> > I'm all for legitimate wins, too
>
> What's the difference?
Not all sc
On Tue, 3 Mar 2009, Alex Smith wrote:
> On Tue, 2009-03-03 at 14:20 +, Elliott Hird wrote:
>> 2009/3/3 Alex Smith :
>
> I'm all for legitimate scams.
>
> I'm all for legitimate wins, too
What's the difference?
On Tue, 3 Mar 2009, Alex Smith wrote:
> Voting for this one could be useful insurance against whatever Goethe is
> trying. We already have H. Cassandra Goethe, don't make me a Cassandra
> too...
To be a proper Cassandra, you've got to prophesize what's actually going
to happen in a way to actuall
On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 11:20 AM, Ed Murphy wrote:
>> Wow, I'm making lots of mistakes today. Sorry. I retract that CFJ.
>
> Note to others: that CFJ was sent to both a-b and a-d. (I, at least,
> got both copies routed to my a-b folder, and thought it had been
> double-posted to a-b until the d
I wrote:
> ais523 can act on Murphy's behalf to cause Murphy to support
> ais523's own intent to make Einos
> (http://einos-nomic.blogspot.com/) a protectorate.
Gratuituous arguments:
> But contracts have been the only mechanism by which we have thus far
> allowed act-on-behalf where
2009/3/3 comex :
> On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 10:39 AM, Ed Murphy wrote:
>> ais523 can act on my behalf to cause me to support eir own intent to
>> make Einos (http://einos-nomic.blogspot.com/) a protectorate.
>
> I CFJ on the statement: { ais523 can act on Murphy's behalf to cause
> me to support eir
comex wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 10:55 AM, comex wrote:
>> I CFJ on the statement: { ais523 can act on Murphy's behalf to cause
>> me to support eir own intent to make Einos
>> (http://einos-nomic.blogspot.com/) a protectorate. }
>
> Wow, I'm making lots of mistakes today. Sorry. I retrac
On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 10:39 AM, Ed Murphy wrote:
> ais523 can act on my behalf to cause me to support eir own intent to
> make Einos (http://einos-nomic.blogspot.com/) a protectorate.
I CFJ on the statement: { ais523 can act on Murphy's behalf to cause
me to support eir own intent to make Einos
Tiger wrote:
> 2009/3/3 Ed Murphy :
>> Tiger wrote:
>>
6120 D 1 2.0 Murphy Increase the ticket ration
>>> I vote FOR this proposal.
>> NttPF
>
> I'm sorry, until now I thought I could just watch that being aid
> everywhere and figure out what it meant on my own, but now that it'
ais523 wrote:
> On Fri, 2009-02-27 at 18:21 -0800, Kerim Aydin wrote:
>> I submit the following proposal, Nothing Original, AI-3:
>> --
>>
>> Create a Rule with the following text and a power of 3:
>>
>>Goethe CAN cause this rule
2009/3/3 Alex Smith :
> On Tue, 2009-03-03 at 14:53 +, Elliott Hird wrote:
>> 2009/3/3 Elliott Hird :
>> > Any activity.
>> >
>> > einos is run by our player Craig/Teucer, and since we can make it a
>> > Protectorate we might as well.
>> >
>> > The Ambassador handles recognition changes.
>> >
>
On Tue, 2009-03-03 at 14:53 +, Elliott Hird wrote:
> 2009/3/3 Elliott Hird :
> > Any activity.
> >
> > einos is run by our player Craig/Teucer, and since we can make it a
> > Protectorate we might as well.
> >
> > The Ambassador handles recognition changes.
> >
>
> Although, let's not recogniz
2009/3/3 Elliott Hird :
> Any activity.
>
> einos is run by our player Craig/Teucer, and since we can make it a
> Protectorate we might as well.
>
> The Ambassador handles recognition changes.
>
Although, let's not recognize xkcd's, because they die out after a
week or so. I know because I ran one
2009/3/3 Jonatan Kilhamn :
> How active is another nomic required to be for Agora to recognize it?
> I am thinking of two nomics, first the Einos found here:
> (http://einos-nomic.blogspot.com/) which already has the "We submit to
> Agora as our benevolent protector" rule in its ruleset, and second
On Tue, 2009-03-03 at 15:48 +0100, Jonatan Kilhamn wrote:
> How active is another nomic required to be for Agora to recognize it?
> I am thinking of two nomics, first the Einos found here:
> (http://einos-nomic.blogspot.com/) which already has the "We submit to
> Agora as our benevolent protector"
How active is another nomic required to be for Agora to recognize it?
I am thinking of two nomics, first the Einos found here:
(http://einos-nomic.blogspot.com/) which already has the "We submit to
Agora as our benevolent protector" rule in its ruleset, and secondly
the Nomic in the Forum Games sec
On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 3:48 AM, Alexander Smith wrote:
> As you can guess, it's a pretty common mistake; most players here have
> posted to the wrong forum dozens of times.
Though only one player has posted a message, accidentally to a-b,
trying to get B Nomic to declare war on Agora.
On Tue, 2009-03-03 at 14:20 +, Elliott Hird wrote:
> 2009/3/3 Alex Smith :
> > I submit the following proposal, Open It Up, AI 3:
> > --
> >
> > Create a Rule with the following text and a power of 3:
> >
> > If a rule exists tha
2009/3/3 Alex Smith :
> I submit the following proposal, Open It Up, AI 3:
> --
>
> Create a Rule with the following text and a power of 3:
>
> If a rule exists that mentions the possibility of a player
> causing a rule to make rul
Jonatan Kilhamn wrote:
> Oh, just realized I'm in the wrong forum. I guess it's something about
> Public Forum, but I'd still like to know the exact acronym. Iäll
> repost in business.
The usual acronym is "TTttPF", meaning "this time to the public forum",
but it's just an abbreviation; any sort o
comex wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 7:00 PM, Alex Smith wrote:
> > Without objection, I make Billy Pilgrim inactive.
> > Without objection, I make j inactive.
> > Without objection, I make cmealerjr inactive.
> > The AFO goes on hold.
> > I spend C Eb G to reduce OscarMeyr's caste to Savage.
Wooble wrote:
> I don't think the prerogative assignments for March were even
> effective; CFJ 2121 established that they couldn't be done earlier
> than 7 days before the beginning of the month. I'm not sure if R2019
> changed significantly since then.
I thought they were 7 days before the begin
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