DIS: Re: BUS: Lurking

2009-06-04 Thread Sgeo
On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 12:38 AM, Paul VanKoughnett allisp...@gmail.com wrote: I retract my proposal Very little to no lurk time. Please respond if you believe you deserve the Patent Title of Not A Lurker. I'll resubmit when I have a more complete list. Who has the longest lurk time? I have

DIS: Re: BUS: Lurking

2009-06-04 Thread Sean Hunt
Paul VanKoughnett wrote: I retract my proposal Very little to no lurk time. Please respond if you believe you deserve the Patent Title of Not A Lurker. I'll resubmit when I have a more complete list. I think the patent title deserves a better name. Something creative.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Lurking

2009-06-04 Thread Paul VanKoughnett
Instant Gratification? Leapt Before Lookt? On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 3:05 PM, Sean Hunt ride...@gmail.com wrote: Paul VanKoughnett wrote: I retract my proposal Very little to no lurk time. Please respond if you believe you deserve the Patent Title of Not A Lurker. I'll resubmit when I

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: No idea

2009-06-04 Thread Benjamin Caplan
Kerim Aydin wrote: On Wed, 3 Jun 2009, Aaron Goldfein wrote: On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 10:18 PM, Luke Lockhart luke.lockh...@gmail.comwrote: I have no idea what is going on here but wish to join you. Welcome to Agora. Is there any nickname you would like to use? Er, not knowing what one

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: We Should Have Done This Long Ago

2009-06-04 Thread Ed Murphy
zeckalpha wrote: I was 2 when Agora was born... has there been a player younger than Agora? I believe ehird was the first to mention holding that status.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: No idea

2009-06-04 Thread Ed Murphy
teucer wrote: On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 12:40 AM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: Oh hey you're that Craig? I remember your CFJs fondly. -G. Huh. I don't remember them at all. But yes, I'm the same Craig. ...how bad were they?

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: The Conservative Party

2009-06-04 Thread Alex Smith
On Wed, 2009-06-03 at 08:18 -0400, comex wrote: On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 11:20 PM, Benjamin Caplan celestialcognit...@gmail.com wrote: All this is far more complicated than it's worth. { Amend rule 1742 (Contracts) by appending the paragraph: A person CAN on behalf of another as

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: We need a live bank again.

2009-06-04 Thread Alex Smith
On Wed, 2009-06-03 at 08:36 -0400, Geoffrey Spear wrote: On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 1:53 AM, Benjamin Caplan celestialcognit...@gmail.com wrote: The Assessor's report contains a list of all pending intents to perform dependent actions. Doesn't really work; just post your sneaky

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Inactivation

2009-06-04 Thread Alex Smith
On Wed, 2009-06-03 at 15:22 +0100, Elliott Hird wrote: Someone attempts to inactivate you. (A) Start participating (B) Let it happen (C) Just object without justification for eternity, inflating quorum. C Maybe we should instead make quorum depend on the number of people who actually voted

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Inactivation

2009-06-04 Thread Kyle Marek-Spartz
On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 7:30 AM, Alex Smith ais...@bham.ac.uk wrote: Maybe we should instead make quorum depend on the number of people who actually voted last time round (like B used to), rather than messing with inactivation? One can be active without voting. Kyle Marek-Spartz - KDØGTK

DIS: Re: BUS: This Pledge Should Have Terminated

2009-06-04 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 11:10 PM, Aaron Goldfein aarongoldf...@gmail.com wrote: The pledge with the following text: Players may add or remove an email address as a send-only address to a specific Public Forum Without Objection. The Distributor SHALL take what actions are necessary to permit

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: We need a live bank again.

2009-06-04 Thread Alex Smith
On Wed, 2009-06-03 at 16:25 -0500, Benjamin Caplan wrote: Furthermore, the ambiguity in your thought experiment is caused by the text of the contract poorly specifying its internal mechanisms, whereas the unordered actions argument is properly talking about shorthand in a message itself that

DIS: Re: BUS: Lurking

2009-06-04 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 12:38 AM, Paul VanKoughnett allisp...@gmail.com wrote: I retract my proposal Very little to no lurk time. Fails; no such proposal was ever in the Pool.

DIS: Re: BUS: This Pledge Should Have Terminated

2009-06-04 Thread Alex Smith
On Wed, 2009-06-03 at 22:10 -0500, Aaron Goldfein wrote: The pledge with the following text: Players may add or remove an email address as a send-only address to a specific Public Forum Without Objection. The Distributor SHALL take what actions are

DIS: Re: BUS: This Pledge Should Have Terminated

2009-06-04 Thread Elliott Hird
Um- no. On 2009-06-04, Aaron Goldfein aarongoldf...@gmail.com wrote: The pledge with the following text: Players may add or remove an email address as a send-only address to a specific Public Forum Without Objection. The Distributor SHALL take what actions are necessary to permit (or

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Lurking

2009-06-04 Thread Kyle Marek-Spartz
On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 7:42 AM, Geoffrey Spear geoffsp...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 12:38 AM, Paul VanKoughnett allisp...@gmail.com wrote: I retract my proposal Very little to no lurk time. Fails; no such proposal was ever in the Pool. He meant Very little or no lurk time

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: We Should Have Done This Long Ago

2009-06-04 Thread Elliott Hird
On 2009-06-04, Rodlen rodlenj...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 9:39 PM, Kyle Marek-Spartz zeckal...@gmail.comwrote: On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 11:30 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: On Thu, 4 Jun 2009, Michael Norrish wrote: Aaron Goldfein wrote: But Michael

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Inactivation

2009-06-04 Thread Elliott Hird
Activity is just for quorum. On 2009-06-04, Kyle Marek-Spartz zeckal...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 7:30 AM, Alex Smith ais...@bham.ac.uk wrote: Maybe we should instead make quorum depend on the number of people who actually voted last time round (like B used to), rather than

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: No idea

2009-06-04 Thread Elliott Hird
Oerjan proposed those. On 2009-06-04, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: On Thu, 4 Jun 2009, Craig Daniel wrote: On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 12:40 AM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: Oh hey you're that Craig? I remember your CFJs fondly. -G. Huh. I don't remember them at

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: No idea

2009-06-04 Thread Elliott Hird
With a dot? On 2009-06-04, Craig Daniel teu...@pobox.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 12:07 AM, Craig Daniel teu...@pobox.com wrote: That being the case: I register. And now I do so TTPF, specifying the nickname teucer.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Two Actions

2009-06-04 Thread Quazie
On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 1:31 AM, Paul VanKoughnett allisp...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 2:20 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: On Wed, 3 Jun 2009, Kerim Aydin wrote: I think that's in the FAQ, although maybe that's just about R104. Original ruleset defined games as

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: We need a live bank again.

2009-06-04 Thread comex
On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 9:58 PM, Sean Hunt ride...@gmail.com wrote: comex wrote: If this is correct: Player         0   1   2   3   4   5   6   7   8   9   X WRV Pavitra        1   7   0   2   2   2   2   1   3  13   4   1 then you deposited crops as follows: total: 728 zm WRVs aren't

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Lurking

2009-06-04 Thread Paul VanKoughnett
On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 9:48 PM, Kyle Marek-Spartz zeckal...@gmail.comwrote: On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 7:42 AM, Geoffrey Spear geoffsp...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 12:38 AM, Paul VanKoughnett allisp...@gmail.com wrote: I retract my proposal Very little to no lurk time.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Inactivation

2009-06-04 Thread Sean Hunt
On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 6:55 AM, Elliott Hird penguinoftheg...@googlemail.com wrote: Activity is just for quorum. On 2009-06-04, Kyle Marek-Spartz zeckal...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 7:30 AM, Alex Smith ais...@bham.ac.uk wrote: Maybe we should instead make quorum depend on the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: No idea

2009-06-04 Thread Craig Daniel
On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 8:14 AM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: http://zenith.homelinux.net/cotc/list.php?caller=Craig The server is taking too long to respond.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Inactivation

2009-06-04 Thread Elliott Hird
I mean, the only non-possibility thing. On 2009-06-04, Sean Hunt ride...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 6:55 AM, Elliott Hird penguinoftheg...@googlemail.com wrote: Activity is just for quorum. On 2009-06-04, Kyle Marek-Spartz zeckal...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 7:30

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Inactivation

2009-06-04 Thread Elliott Hird
ie a non acting active person just inflates quorum On 2009-06-04, Elliott Hird penguinoftheg...@googlemail.com wrote: I mean, the only non-possibility thing. On 2009-06-04, Sean Hunt ride...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 6:55 AM, Elliott Hird penguinoftheg...@googlemail.com wrote:

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: No idea

2009-06-04 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 4 Jun 2009, Benjamin Caplan wrote: Kerim Aydin wrote: On Wed, 3 Jun 2009, Aaron Goldfein wrote: On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 10:18 PM, Luke Lockhart luke.lockh...@gmail.comwrote: I have no idea what is going on here but wish to join you. Welcome to Agora. Is there any nickname you would

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Inactivation

2009-06-04 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 4 Jun 2009, Alex Smith wrote: On Wed, 2009-06-03 at 15:22 +0100, Elliott Hird wrote: Someone attempts to inactivate you. (A) Start participating (B) Let it happen (C) Just object without justification for eternity, inflating quorum. C Maybe we should instead make quorum depend on

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: This Pledge Should Have Terminated

2009-06-04 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 4 Jun 2009, Alex Smith wrote: An interesting point. There's an unofficial title of Distributor, that's granted by game custom to whoever's in charge of the mailing lists; even though the rules don't define it, I wonder if it's possible for a contract to refer to it anyway? (Contracts

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: No idea

2009-06-04 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 4 Jun 2009, Elliott Hird wrote: Not bad at all. Actually it's the INSANE proposals I remember the most... definitely added to the game in a good way. -G. Oerjan proposed those. I'm pretty sure it was several by Craig. -G.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: No idea

2009-06-04 Thread Craig Daniel
On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 12:18 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: On Thu, 4 Jun 2009, Elliott Hird wrote: Not bad at all.  Actually it's the INSANE proposals I remember the most... definitely added to the game in a good way.  -G. Oerjan proposed those. I'm pretty sure it was

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: No idea

2009-06-04 Thread Elliott Hird
Thought you meant the concept. On 2009-06-04, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: On Thu, 4 Jun 2009, Elliott Hird wrote: Not bad at all. Actually it's the INSANE proposals I remember the most... definitely added to the game in a good way. -G. Oerjan proposed those. I'm pretty

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: No idea

2009-06-04 Thread Alex Smith
On Wed, 2009-06-03 at 22:55 -0500, Aaron Goldfein wrote: On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 10:53 PM, Craig Daniel teu...@pobox.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 11:50 PM, Aaron Goldfein aarongoldf...@gmail.com wrote: You're not a player.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Inactivation

2009-06-04 Thread Alex Smith
On Thu, 2009-06-04 at 07:32 -0500, Kyle Marek-Spartz wrote: On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 7:30 AM, Alex Smith ais...@bham.ac.uk wrote: Maybe we should instead make quorum depend on the number of people who actually voted last time round (like B used to), rather than messing with inactivation?

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Inactivation

2009-06-04 Thread Alex Smith
On Thu, 2009-06-04 at 13:55 +0100, Elliott Hird wrote: Activity is just for quorum. And officer obligations. And judging. Making someone inactive is a good way to shield them from obligations if they've left the lists for a while. Likewise, inactivating yourself (and resigning offices, if

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: No idea

2009-06-04 Thread Alex Smith
On Wed, 2009-06-03 at 22:31 -0500, Kyle Marek-Spartz wrote: Can non-players get crim CFJs? What if players committed crimes prior to eir registration? If you were a second-class person, would its parties be liable? Kyle Marek-Spartz - KDØGTK Non-players /can/ be crimmed, but it's very hard

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Inactivation

2009-06-04 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 12:10 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: Maybe we should be permitted to make people inactive by support (rather than w/o objection) if they have not voted for N months or M proposals. As long as you can flip yourself back to Active by announcement, it wouldn't

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: No idea

2009-06-04 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 4 Jun 2009, Elliott Hird wrote: On 2009-06-04, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: On Thu, 4 Jun 2009, Elliott Hird wrote: Not bad at all. Actually it's the INSANE proposals I remember the most... definitely added to the game in a good way. -G. Oerjan proposed those. I'm

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Inactivation

2009-06-04 Thread Sean Hunt
On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 10:42 AM, Geoffrey Spear geoffsp...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 12:10 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: Maybe we should be permitted to make people inactive by support (rather than w/o objection) if they have not voted for N months or M proposals.

DIS: Re: BUS: [IBA] Motion to Amend

2009-06-04 Thread comex
On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 1:12 PM, Benjamin Caplan celestialcognit...@gmail.com wrote: Also AGAINST. There must be a better way than invalidating the transaction completely. Maybe a general rule for disambiguating? Well... if you're depositing so many assets (and getting such a low multiplier)

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Inactivation

2009-06-04 Thread Benjamin Caplan
Sean Hunt wrote: On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 10:42 AM, Geoffrey Spear geoffsp...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 12:10 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: Maybe we should be permitted to make people inactive by support (rather than w/o objection) if they have not voted for N

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Inactivation

2009-06-04 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 4 Jun 2009, Sean Hunt wrote: On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 10:42 AM, Geoffrey Spear geoffsp...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 12:10 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: Maybe we should be permitted to make people inactive by support (rather than w/o objection) if they have

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Inactivation

2009-06-04 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 4 Jun 2009, Benjamin Caplan wrote: Legislature is a player switch with values Quoredupon and Unquoredfor (default). A player CAN flip eir Legislature to Unquoredfor by announcement. A player CAN flip eir Legislature to Quoredupon by submitting a valid ballot on an Agoran Decision.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Inactivation

2009-06-04 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 1:59 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: I know it's unimaginable now; but in past we've gone through slow periods with many fewer distributions (even none for two months).  It's slowing down now due to distributability.  To prevent us from all suddenly being

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Inactivation

2009-06-04 Thread Alex Smith
On Thu, 2009-06-04 at 14:03 -0400, Geoffrey Spear wrote: On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 1:59 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: I know it's unimaginable now; but in past we've gone through slow periods with many fewer distributions (even none for two months). It's slowing down now due

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Inactivation

2009-06-04 Thread Benjamin Caplan
Kerim Aydin wrote: On Thu, 4 Jun 2009, Benjamin Caplan wrote: Legislature is a player switch with values Quoredupon and Unquoredfor (default). A player CAN flip eir Legislature to Unquoredfor by announcement. A player CAN flip eir Legislature to Quoredupon by submitting a valid ballot on an

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: No idea

2009-06-04 Thread Ed Murphy
teucer wrote: On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 8:14 AM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: http://zenith.homelinux.net/cotc/list.php?caller=Craig The server is taking too long to respond. It responded to me within 2 seconds (but then it's less than 50 feet away from me so YMMV). There's a

DIS: Re: BUS: Senators

2009-06-04 Thread Benjamin Caplan
Charles Walker wrote: A player CAN cause another person to cease to be a Senator with Senator Consent. Presumably this is supposed to mean with something like Agoran Consent, except that only Senators can vote. This might work in a contract (though it could also be read as with the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Inactivation

2009-06-04 Thread Ed Murphy
Pavitra wrote: Kerim Aydin wrote: On Thu, 4 Jun 2009, Benjamin Caplan wrote: Legislature is a player switch with values Quoredupon and Unquoredfor (default). A player CAN flip eir Legislature to Unquoredfor by announcement. A player CAN flip eir Legislature to Quoredupon by submitting a

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Inactivation

2009-06-04 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 4 Jun 2009, Benjamin Caplan wrote: Kerim Aydin wrote: On Thu, 4 Jun 2009, Benjamin Caplan wrote: Legislature is a player switch with values Quoredupon and Unquoredfor (default). A player CAN flip eir Legislature to Unquoredfor by announcement. A player CAN flip eir Legislature to

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Inactivation

2009-06-04 Thread Alex Smith
On Thu, 2009-06-04 at 11:32 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: The only risk I see is that reducing quorum when the number of active players stays high ups the conspiracy attempt: in the words of a past wise agoran, quorum describes the minimum size for a legislative conspiracy. Which, given the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Inactivation

2009-06-04 Thread Benjamin Caplan
Ed Murphy wrote: Pavitra wrote: The idea is that there would be some people that aren't interested in being legislators, but are interested in other parts of the game (judging, contract subgames, etc.) I refer again to the analogy with Posture: a person can be an active participant without

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Inactivation

2009-06-04 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 4 Jun 2009, Alex Smith wrote: On Thu, 2009-06-04 at 11:32 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: The only risk I see is that reducing quorum when the number of active players stays high ups the conspiracy attempt: in the words of a past wise agoran, quorum describes the minimum size for a

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Inactivation

2009-06-04 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 4 Jun 2009, Kerim Aydin wrote: On Thu, 4 Jun 2009, Alex Smith wrote: On Thu, 2009-06-04 at 11:32 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: The only risk I see is that reducing quorum when the number of active players stays high ups the conspiracy attempt: in the words of a past wise agoran, quorum

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Inactivation

2009-06-04 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 4 Jun 2009, Geoffrey Spear wrote: Plus, we don't really have much gameplay at the moment. Er, compare to the business archives for all of September or October 2006. -G.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Senators

2009-06-04 Thread Charles Walker
On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 7:28 PM, Benjamin Caplan celestialcognit...@gmail.com wrote: Charles Walker wrote: A player CAN cause another person to cease to be a Senator with Senator Consent. Presumably this is supposed to mean with something like Agoran Consent, except that only Senators can

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Inactivation

2009-06-04 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 4 Jun 2009, Benjamin Caplan wrote: Kerim Aydin wrote: The only risk I see is that reducing quorum when the number of active players stays high ups the conspiracy attempt: in the words of a past wise agoran, quorum describes the minimum size for a legislative conspiracy. As I

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Inactivation

2009-06-04 Thread Alex Smith
On Thu, 2009-06-04 at 12:18 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: Again, all this only comes out when a proposal is out there that's really a faction-based attempt (e.g. enough members on each side for procedural move and counter-move to matter). Town Fountain was one like this. The last such ones (e.g.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Inactivation

2009-06-04 Thread Alex Smith
On Thu, 2009-06-04 at 12:08 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: On Thu, 4 Jun 2009, Kerim Aydin wrote: On Thu, 4 Jun 2009, Alex Smith wrote: On Thu, 2009-06-04 at 11:32 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: The only risk I see is that reducing quorum when the number of active players stays high ups the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [IBA] Motion to Amend

2009-06-04 Thread Elliott Hird
2009/6/4 comex com...@gmail.com: While everyone else mounts a run on the bank in panic. If you are trying to improve on the perceived flaws of the PBA I'm surprised that you're relying on any human behavior whatsoever.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: No idea

2009-06-04 Thread Elliott Hird
2009/6/4 Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com: It responded to me within 2 seconds (but then it's less than 50 feet away from me so YMMV). D'you think that might have something to do with being on your network? It takes ~30s average for me; often I just give up looking for anything. It's really

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [IBA] Motion to Amend

2009-06-04 Thread comex
On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 3:56 PM, Elliott Hird penguinoftheg...@googlemail.com wrote: 2009/6/4 comex com...@gmail.com: While everyone else mounts a run on the bank in panic. If you are trying to improve on the perceived flaws of the PBA I'm surprised that you're relying on any human behavior

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: No idea

2009-06-04 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 3:58 PM, Elliott Hird penguinoftheg...@googlemail.com wrote: It takes ~30s average for me; often I just give up looking for anything. It's really quite annoying; I'm willing to host it if you decide making its speed usable at all is a good idea... ...and if you don't

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: No idea

2009-06-04 Thread comex
On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 3:58 PM, Elliott Hird penguinoftheg...@googlemail.com wrote: 2009/6/4 Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com: It responded to me within 2 seconds (but then it's less than 50 feet away from me so YMMV). D'you think that might have something to do with being on your network?

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Inactivation

2009-06-04 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 4 Jun 2009, Alex Smith wrote: Actually, the last dictatorship proposal forced through by scam (as opposed to a proposal which was itself a scam) was done by setting three voting limits up to 8 at the last minute of a proposal, swamping all the other votes. The WoV didn't have a chance

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: No idea

2009-06-04 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 4 Jun 2009, comex wrote: On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 3:58 PM, Elliott Hird penguinoftheg...@googlemail.com wrote: 2009/6/4 Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com: It responded to me within 2 seconds (but then it's less than 50 feet away from me so YMMV). D'you think that might have something

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: No idea

2009-06-04 Thread Alex Smith
On Thu, 2009-06-04 at 13:25 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: On Thu, 4 Jun 2009, comex wrote: On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 3:58 PM, Elliott Hird penguinoftheg...@googlemail.com wrote: 2009/6/4 Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com: It responded to me within 2 seconds (but then it's less than 50 feet away

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Inactivation

2009-06-04 Thread Roger Hicks
On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 12:33, Geoffrey Speargeoffsp...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 2:23 PM, Benjamin Caplan celestialcognit...@gmail.com wrote: The idea is that there would be some people that aren't interested in being legislators, but are interested in other parts of the game

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: No idea

2009-06-04 Thread Elliott Hird
2009/6/4 Geoffrey Spear geoffsp...@gmail.com: ...and if you don't think setting it up to suffer the same fate as Bayes is a bad idea. Because not developing a program = not hosting a few PHP files and an SQL database, and nobody keeps local backups.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: No idea

2009-06-04 Thread Roger Hicks
On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 12:23, Ed Murphyemurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: teucer wrote: On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 8:14 AM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: http://zenith.homelinux.net/cotc/list.php?caller=Craig The server is taking too long to respond. It responded to me within 2 seconds

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: No idea

2009-06-04 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 4 Jun 2009, Alex Smith wrote: The speed of an internet connection is not just to do with how fast it is at the ends, but also how fast it is in the middle, which tends to depend more on politics between the various companies involved in the Internet than any good technical reasons.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Inactivation

2009-06-04 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 4 Jun 2009, Roger Hicks wrote: On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 12:33, Geoffrey Speargeoffsp...@gmail.com wrote: I personally find that most proposal distributions I could care less about. I do tend overall to play Agora for the contract sub-games and not for the rule-making system. That

DIS: Re: BUS: No idea

2009-06-04 Thread Benjamin Schultz
On Jun 3, 2009, at 11:18 PM, Luke Lockhart wrote: I have no idea what is going on here but wish to join you. Welcome, Luke! - Benjamin Schultz KE3OM OscarMeyr

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: We Should Have Done This Long Ago

2009-06-04 Thread Benjamin Schultz
On Jun 4, 2009, at 12:39 AM, Kyle Marek-Spartz wrote: I was 2 when Agora was born... has there been a player younger than Agora? Kyle Marek-Spartz - KDØGTK That is a scary thought. - Benjamin Schultz KE3OM OscarMeyr

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Senators

2009-06-04 Thread Paul VanKoughnett
On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 7:28 PM, Benjamin Caplan celestialcognit...@gmail.com wrote: Charles Walker wrote: A player CAN cause another person to cease to be a Senator with Senator Consent. Presumably this is supposed to mean with something like Agoran Consent, except that only Senators

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: No idea

2009-06-04 Thread Paul VanKoughnett
On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 10:03 PM, Alex Smith ais...@bham.ac.uk wrote: Also, I'm surprised nobody mentioned CFJ 2003 yet. (http://zenith.homelinux.net/cotc/viewcase.php?cfj=2003, for the benefit of the players who have just joined and might not know how to look up historical CFJs yet.) On Thu,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: We Should Have Done This Long Ago

2009-06-04 Thread Elliott Hird
Reality, rather - see Rodlen and me. Really, anyone 15 or under is eligible. On 2009-06-04, Benjamin Schultz ke...@verizon.net wrote: On Jun 4, 2009, at 12:39 AM, Kyle Marek-Spartz wrote: I was 2 when Agora was born... has there been a player younger than Agora? Kyle Marek-Spartz - KDØGTK

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: We Should Have Done This Long Ago

2009-06-04 Thread Rodlen
On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 5:25 PM, Elliott Hird penguinoftheg...@googlemail.com wrote: Reality, rather - see Rodlen and me. Really, anyone 15 or under is eligible. Just be happy that none of the 15-year-olds from my high school are here. Now, THAT would be scary. -- --Rodlen

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: No idea

2009-06-04 Thread Ed Murphy
Goethe wrote: On Thu, 4 Jun 2009, Alex Smith wrote: The speed of an internet connection is not just to do with how fast it is at the ends, but also how fast it is in the middle, which tends to depend more on politics between the various companies involved in the Internet than any good

DIS: Re: BUS: This Pledge Should Have Terminated

2009-06-04 Thread Taral
On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 8:10 PM, Aaron Goldfein aarongoldf...@gmail.com wrote: should have terminated as there is currently no Distributor as defined by the rules. The post is still filled, even if the Rules don't regulate it anymore. -- Taral tar...@gmail.com Please let me know if there's any

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Senators

2009-06-04 Thread Sean Hunt
Paul VanKoughnett wrote: It seems like dependent actions with supporters/objectors restricted to a single class of player would be a good functionality to have, in general. As far as I know, the only other places in the rules where this is used are rule 2198, Making Contract Changes, which

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: No idea

2009-06-04 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 4 Jun 2009, Ed Murphy wrote: The server isn't CPU-intensive (load average = 0.05), but it does have to compete for bandwidth with the family's incoming videos and torrents, plus it hosts one 50 MB file that gets downloaded ~40 times per month. Heh. my home connection is reaching you

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: No idea

2009-06-04 Thread Craig Daniel
On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 11:35 PM, Kerim Aydinke...@u.washington.edu wrote: On Thu, 4 Jun 2009, Ed Murphy wrote: The server isn't CPU-intensive (load average = 0.05), but it does have to compete for bandwidth with the family's incoming videos and torrents, plus it hosts one 50 MB file that gets

DIS: Re: BUS: B

2009-06-04 Thread Paul VanKoughnett
On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 2:05 PM, Sean Hunt ride...@gmail.com wrote: Sean Hunt wrote: Proposal, entitled B Friends: {{{ WHEREAS imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, and WHEREAS B Nomic recently adopted Agora's ruleset, BE IT RESOLVED THAT B Nomic be formally recognized for its

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: B

2009-06-04 Thread Sean Hunt
Paul VanKoughnett wrote: On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 2:05 PM, Sean Hunt ride...@gmail.com wrote: Sean Hunt wrote: Proposal, entitled B Friends: {{{ WHEREAS imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, and WHEREAS B Nomic recently adopted Agora's ruleset, BE IT RESOLVED THAT B Nomic be formally