DIS: Re: BUS: CFJS 2821-2822 Judgements

2010-07-29 Thread Ed Murphy
Yally wrote: > I support and appeal this case. I'm interpreting this intent/support/appeal as reasonable shorthand for doing so for each of CFJs 2821 and 2822.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: CFJS 2821-2822 Judgements

2010-07-29 Thread Sean Hunt
On 07/29/2010 02:42 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: Hmm, I'm suddenly unconvinced that Win Announcements work at all for most defined win conditions. A win announcement must be factually correct in announcing that someone wins the game (R2186). But most win conditions are not triggered until a win ann

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: CFJS 2821-2822 Judgements

2010-07-29 Thread Ed Murphy
G. wrote: > The problem now is (if we accept that it's circular to say that > one or more people won in order to cause those one or more people > to win) that: Rule 2215 (Truthiness) suggests (albeit weakly) that such bootstrapping is allowed.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: CFJS 2821-2822 Judgements

2010-07-29 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 29 Jul 2010, comex wrote: > On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 4:08 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > The difficulty in ALL win conditions, that 2186 specifies one set > > of conditions for calling something a win announcement, and that other > > rules say that it has to be a winning announcement with di

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: CFJS 2821-2822 Judgements

2010-07-29 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 29 Jul 2010, ais523 wrote: > On Thu, 2010-07-29 at 14:05 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > On Thu, 29 Jul 2010, ais523 wrote: > > > On Thu, 2010-07-29 at 13:42 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > > > > > Hmm, I'm suddenly unconvinced that Win Announcements work at all for > > > > most def

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: CFJS 2821-2822 Judgements

2010-07-29 Thread ais523
On Thu, 2010-07-29 at 14:05 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > On Thu, 29 Jul 2010, ais523 wrote: > > On Thu, 2010-07-29 at 13:42 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > > > Hmm, I'm suddenly unconvinced that Win Announcements work at all for > > > most defined win conditions. > > > > > > A win announcemen

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: CFJS 2821-2822 Judgements

2010-07-29 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 29 Jul 2010, ais523 wrote: > On Thu, 2010-07-29 at 13:42 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > Hmm, I'm suddenly unconvinced that Win Announcements work at all for > > most defined win conditions. > > > > A win announcement must be factually correct in announcing that > > someone wins the g

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: CFJS 2821-2822 Judgements

2010-07-29 Thread ais523
On Thu, 2010-07-29 at 17:03 -0400, comex wrote: > On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 4:08 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > The difficulty in ALL win conditions, that 2186 specifies one set > > of conditions for calling something a win announcement, and that other > > rules say that it has to be a winning announcem

DIS: Re: BUS: CFJS 2821-2822 Judgements

2010-07-29 Thread comex
On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 4:08 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > The difficulty in ALL win conditions, that 2186 specifies one set > of conditions for calling something a win announcement, and that other > rules say that it has to be a winning announcement with different > (not additional) information ("a wi

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: CFJS 2821-2822 Judgements

2010-07-29 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 29 Jul 2010, ais523 wrote: > On Thu, 2010-07-29 at 13:42 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > Hmm, I'm suddenly unconvinced that Win Announcements work at all for > > most defined win conditions. > > > > A win announcement must be factually correct in announcing that > > someone wins the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: CFJS 2821-2822 Judgements

2010-07-29 Thread ais523
On Thu, 2010-07-29 at 13:42 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > Hmm, I'm suddenly unconvinced that Win Announcements work at all for > most defined win conditions. > > A win announcement must be factually correct in announcing that > someone wins the game (R2186). A win announcment need not state that

DIS: Re: BUS: CFJS 2821-2822 Judgements

2010-07-29 Thread Kerim Aydin
Hmm, I'm suddenly unconvinced that Win Announcements work at all for most defined win conditions. A win announcement must be factually correct in announcing that someone wins the game (R2186). But most win conditions are not triggered until a win announcement is made (are triggered "upon" a win

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: CFJS 2821-2822 Judgements

2010-07-29 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 29 Jul 2010, comex wrote: > On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 3:48 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > This clearly wins by Legislation if it's taken as deferring to (being > > intercepted by?) the power-1 Rule 2188.  But does it (power-3 instrument) > > override the power-2 clause in R2186:  "The game CA

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: CFJS 2821-2822 Judgements

2010-07-29 Thread comex
On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 3:48 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > This clearly wins by Legislation if it's taken as deferring to (being > intercepted by?) the power-1 Rule 2188.  But does it (power-3 instrument) > override the power-2 clause in R2186:  "The game CANNOT be won in any other > way, rules to the

DIS: Re: BUS: CFJS 2821-2822 Judgements

2010-07-29 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 29 Jul 2010, Kerim Aydin wrote: > On Thu, 29 Jul 2010, Sean Hunt wrote: > > I intend, with 2 support, to appeal this judgment, as it implies that the > > win > > announcement is in fact the adoption of the proposal, but does not fully > > address whether a posting the text of a proposal

DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJs 2821-22 assigned to G.

2010-07-29 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Wed, 28 Jul 2010, Ed Murphy wrote: > Gratuitous Arguments by comex: > > Would "win announcement: Proposal 6740 was adopted" > suffice? If not (as I read it), "awarding a win to one or more > persons" is part of the format of the announcement, so whatever is > specified in place of 'one or mo