DIS: Re: OFF: [Rulekeepor] Revised Full Logical Ruleset

2017-05-28 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Sun, 28 May 2017, Gaelan Steele wrote: > Online documents: > https://agoranomic.github.io/ruleset/slr.txt (SLR) > https://agoranomic.github.io/ruleset/flr.txt (FLR) You might want to check your flr link Gaelan - it looks like it goes to an older (9-May) copy.

Re: Re: Re: DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer is a humble agoran farmer

2017-05-28 Thread Josh T
@Aris: Thank you for putting into words what I had been thinking while reading over those of CuddleBeam's messages. 天火狐 On 28 May 2017 at 21:51, Aris Merchant wrote: > On Sun, May 28, 2017 at 6:39 PM, CuddleBeam > wrote: > > Arguably, you can paint your objection blue too. Or dress it as Super

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3505 assigned to Quazie

2017-05-28 Thread Josh T
I am willing to support reconsidering this CFJ on behalf of G. if there is interest among the players for reconsideration. 天火狐 On 28 May 2017 at 21:18, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > I'm just catching up to this CFJ now, and I have to say I'd consider > this an example of judicial overreach and motio

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer is a humble agoran farmer

2017-05-28 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 29 May 2017, Alex Smith wrote: > On Mon, 2017-05-29 at 02:34 +, Quazie wrote: > > On Sun, May 28, 2017 at 18:17 CuddleBeam > > wrote: > > >  > > > > I withdraw grok's objection. > > > >  > > Um... You usually have  to prove you can do a thing that seems > > obvious wrong or people wi

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer is a humble agoran farmer

2017-05-28 Thread Alex Smith
On Mon, 2017-05-29 at 02:34 +, Quazie wrote: > On Sun, May 28, 2017 at 18:17 CuddleBeam > wrote: > >  > > > I withdraw grok's objection. > > >  > Um... You usually have  to prove you can do a thing that seems > obvious wrong or people will ignore it. As far as I can tell, nothing prevents peo

DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer is a humble agoran farmer

2017-05-28 Thread Quazie
Um... You usually have to prove you can do a thing that seems obvious wrong or people will ignore it. On Sun, May 28, 2017 at 18:17 CuddleBeam wrote: > I withdraw grok's objection. >

Re: DIS: CFJ 3515

2017-05-28 Thread Alex Smith
On Sun, 2017-05-28 at 07:54 -0400, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > Am I still assigned to CFJ 3515, given that it is now open again? If > so, when does my week expire? Yes, and a week after the case was reopened. -- ais523

Re: Re: Re: DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer is a humble agoran farmer

2017-05-28 Thread Aris Merchant
On Sun, May 28, 2017 at 6:39 PM, CuddleBeam wrote: > Arguably, you can paint your objection blue too. Or dress it as Superman. > > Unregulated actions are weird. No one seems to understand what unregulated means. All it means is that the rules can't say that an action is impossible or prohibited.

Re: Re: Re: DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer is a humble agoran farmer

2017-05-28 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 29 May 2017, CuddleBeam wrote: > >Interesting question: If am still an objector, but my objection has been > >withdrawn, can I withdraw my my objection? > Arguably, you can paint your objection blue too. Or dress it as Superman. > > Unregulated actions are weird. It does concern me th

Re: Re: DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer is a humble agoran farmer

2017-05-28 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Sun, 28 May 2017, grok (caleb vines) wrote: > Interesting question: If am still an objector, but my objection > has been withdrawn, can I withdraw my my objection? FOO!

Re: Re: DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer is a humble agoran farmer

2017-05-28 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Sun, 28 May 2017, Kerim Aydin wrote: On Mon, 29 May 2017, Ørjan Johansen wrote: Note that only withdrawals by the Objector emself count. Greetings, Ørjan. snap! I feel so redundant. Also, still waiting for you to snap and use the term ISIDTID. Greetings, Ørjan.

Re: Re: DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer is a humble agoran farmer

2017-05-28 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 29 May 2017, CuddleBeam wrote: > Cool. I think I'll just tell anyway. I'm not too overly interested in the > subterfuge of it all. I just care mostly about confirming that it *would* > work, > that's good enough trophy for me. > "Withdrawing" isn't a regulated action apparently (note t

Re: Re: DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer is a humble agoran farmer

2017-05-28 Thread grok (caleb vines)
On May 28, 2017 8:30 PM, "Kerim Aydin" wrote: On Mon, 29 May 2017, CuddleBeam wrote: > Cool. I think I'll just tell anyway. I'm not too overly interested in the subterfuge of it all. I just care mostly about confirming that it *would* work, > that's good enough trophy for me. > "Withdrawing" i

Re: Re: Re: DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer is a humble agoran farmer

2017-05-28 Thread CuddleBeam
>From rule 2124: > An Objector to > a dependent action is an eligible entity who has publicly posted > (and not withdrawn) an objection to the announcement of intent > to perform the action. Ah, dangit, that verb conjugation. So subtle. I guess it would've worked if it was "

Re: Re: DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer is a humble agoran farmer

2017-05-28 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 29 May 2017, Ørjan Johansen wrote: > Note that only withdrawals by the Objector emself count. > > Greetings, > Ørjan. snap!

Re: Re: DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer is a humble agoran farmer

2017-05-28 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Mon, 29 May 2017, CuddleBeam wrote: So I can just do the unregulated action of "I withdraw your objection" (would my proof of "all actions are regulation actions or not actions" not work) From rule 2124: An Objector to a depende

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3505 assigned to Quazie

2017-05-28 Thread Kerim Aydin
I'm just catching up to this CFJ now, and I have to say I'd consider this an example of judicial overreach and motion to reconsider were I a player. Rather than extrapolating slightly to generalize the question, or slightly changing the wording of the CFJ to answer what the caller *meant* to ask

Re: Re: DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer is a humble agoran farmer

2017-05-28 Thread CuddleBeam
Cool. I think I'll just tell anyway. I'm not too overly interested in the subterfuge of it all. I just care mostly about confirming that it *would* work, that's good enough trophy for me. "Withdrawing" isn't a regulated action apparently (note that I, as the initiator, am not required to track any

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer is a humble agoran farmer

2017-05-28 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
Agoran Consent requires a minimum of 4 days. Publius Scribonius Scholasticus p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com > On May 28, 2017, at 9:00 PM, CuddleBeam wrote: > > How fast do proposals get passed, by average?

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer is a humble agoran farmer

2017-05-28 Thread CuddleBeam
How fast do proposals get passed, by average?

DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer is a humble agoran farmer

2017-05-28 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
Could you explain what makes this a scam? Publius Scribonius Scholasticus p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com > On May 28, 2017, at 8:54 PM, CuddleBeam wrote: > > Another badge scam attempt, but way less silly and more likely to work > (hopefully). Anyway, here we go: > > By virtue of R

DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer awards eldritch badge

2017-05-28 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
I don’t believe this works because the action is SECURED and REGULATED and requires a support-period. Publius Scribonius Scholasticus p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com > On May 28, 2017, at 8:38 PM, CuddleBeam wrote: > > Again, no flipping idea if it will work but its free! So I'm

DIS: Draft promotor report

2017-05-28 Thread Aris Merchant
The following is a draft report. Note that it's not quite the same as a regular report, as it has some of the URLs that get cut from the finalized version. I welcome any applicable corrections. If you want your proposals distributed, you should talk to ais523 about pending them. --

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: No Sneakiness

2017-05-28 Thread Aris Merchant
>> I create the power-1 proposal “No Sneakiness” by Gaelan: { >> >> Create a rule “No Sneakiness” with the following text: { >> >> If the rules specify that an action may be performed by sending a message >> to a public forum, any attempts to perform the action in a way that is >> clearly intended

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] Weekly Report

2017-05-28 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
You did and I will update it next time. Sorry. Publius Scribonius Scholasticus On Sun, May 28, 2017 at 7:01 PM, Ørjan Johansen wrote: > On Sun, 28 May 2017, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > >The IRC channel does not require subscription; set your IRC client to >>server irc.

DIS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] Weekly Report

2017-05-28 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Sun, 28 May 2017, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: The IRC channel does not require subscription; set your IRC client to server irc.freenode.net, port 6667, channel ##nomic, and whatever nickname you like. There are, of course, various variations of this that also work. (I u

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] State of the Union

2017-05-28 Thread Aris Merchant
On Sun, May 28, 2017 at 2:20 PM, Gaelan Steele wrote: > I create this AI-1.5 proposal “State of the Union” by Gaelan: < > > Create the power-1.5 rule “Internal State” with this text: { > > An Agency or Organization’s Internal State is state that is defined by the > Agency or Organization’s text (P

Re: RE: Re: DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer tries another thing

2017-05-28 Thread CuddleBeam
Hehe, nice. Also, I think it's like: ---*--- "Ayo, so here we got this hugeass field my friend. This is the field of All Actions." "Ok." "Now there we got that fence. Its a limitation. Everything within it is known to be "Fenced" because it's surrounded by fence, and limited by it." "Ok. But

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] State of the Union

2017-05-28 Thread Gaelan Steele
I mean, you can just ratify anything without objection. This doesn't really create a new avenue for going around formal procedure. Gaelan > On May 28, 2017, at 2:21 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus > wrote: > > I don’t like that it is self-ratifying because that would allow bypassing >

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] State of the Union

2017-05-28 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
I don’t like that it is self-ratifying because that would allow bypassing formalized procedures. Publius Scribonius Scholasticus p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com > On May 28, 2017, at 5:20 PM, Gaelan Steele wrote: > > The responsible player for all of an Agency’s state is that agency’

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer tries another thing

2017-05-28 Thread Kerim Aydin
When I hit the dictionary, I get: - forbid, especially by law. - denounce or condemn. Now forbid *could* include IMPOSSIBLE as well as ILLEGAL, but my reading is that it's more sensible to count it as "illegal" only, as the law (in common definition of law used above) can't actually make thi

RE: Re: DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer tries another thing

2017-05-28 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Sun, 28 May 2017, CuddleBeam wrote: > LUCKILY I'm a bum who sometimes doesn't submit their stuff to the right forum. > If you think its cool then sure, I can just leave it.  I agree it's an interesting debate and discussion and thus CFJ-worthy.

RE: Re: DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer tries another thing

2017-05-28 Thread CuddleBeam
LUCKILY I'm a bum who sometimes doesn't submit their stuff to the right forum. If you think its cool then sure, I can just leave it.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer tries another thing

2017-05-28 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
I think you should have let it be decided because I don’t think it was as simple as my arguments suggested. Publius Scribonius Scholasticus p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com > On May 28, 2017, at 4:10 PM, CuddleBeam wrote: > > Aaah. I think we have two "proscribes" then: > > -Morally

DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer tries another thing

2017-05-28 Thread CuddleBeam
Aaah. I think we have two "proscribes" then: -Morally condemn: "Yeah you can do it, but it is punishable" -Mechanically impossible: "You can't be a Player and a non-Player at the same time" I tend to think of everything in sheer mechanics, I didn't realize the "moral" proscribe. I think it would

RE: DIS: Re: BUS: humble Agoran farmer tries a thing

2017-05-28 Thread CuddleBeam
I derped there. "Unregulated actions" seem to bizarre to me though, because its nearly like ad hoc anything. I think I've proven that they don't actually exist though, as far the Ruleset is concerned.

DIS: Re: BUS: humble Agoran farmer tries a thing

2017-05-28 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Sun, 28 May 2017, CuddleBeam wrote: > I create one Agency per Player except myself (without notice, I > just create it as an unregulated action right here), How are you getting around R2468: > The Superintendent's weekly report includes: > - the Head and acronym of all Agencies, w

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Thesis] Actions in Nomic

2017-05-28 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Sun, 28 May 2017, CuddleBeam wrote: > - The thesis is pretty much about Agora nomic specifically, so please change > the title. > - "Interestingly, Suber’s ruleset leaves very basic actions such as joining > or leaving the game unregulated allowing them to > occur in any manner." > > This

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Thesis] Actions in Nomic

2017-05-28 Thread CuddleBeam
- The thesis is pretty much about Agora nomic specifically, so please change the title. - "Interestingly, Suber’s ruleset leaves very basic actions such as joining or leaving the game unregulated allowing them to occur in any manner." This is a bizarre point which I wish could be expanded on. Wha

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] Weekly Report

2017-05-28 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
I believe I already did so. Publius Scribonius Scholasticus p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com > On May 28, 2017, at 9:59 AM, Nicholas Evans wrote: > > You should correct the player count while you're at it. > > On May 28, 2017 7:30 AM, "Publius Scribonius Scholasticus" > wrote: > Acc

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] Weekly Report

2017-05-28 Thread Nicholas Evans
You should correct the player count while you're at it. On May 28, 2017 7:30 AM, "Publius Scribonius Scholasticus" < p.scribonius.scholasti...@googlemail.com> wrote: > Accepted, I thought I included that. > > Publius Scribonius Scholasticus > p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com > > > > > On

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] Weekly Report

2017-05-28 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
Accepted, I thought I included that. Publius Scribonius Scholasticus p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com > On May 28, 2017, at 8:26 AM, Martin Rönsch wrote: > > Call of Error: I am also a player > > Veggiekeks > > Am 28.05.2017 um 13:16 schrieb Publius Scribonius Scholasticus: >> I here

DIS: CFJ 3515

2017-05-28 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
Am I still assigned to CFJ 3515, given that it is now open again? If so, when does my week expire? Publius Scribonius Scholasticus

Re: DIS: Prime Powers

2017-05-28 Thread Aris Merchant
On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 11:22 PM, Quazie wrote: > Here is a proto proposal for more Executive Orders. I think there might be > interesting ones for Surveyor and Secretary as well, but I couldn't think of > them just now. > > Proposal: Prime Rib > > - De-swamp: The Prime Minister empties