DIS: am I missing something?

2018-10-25 Thread D. Margaux
> On Oct 25, 2018, at 8:57 PM, ATMunn wrote: > > However, no matter what I seem to do, I can't get the hashes to line up. I > tried it with and without the header and footer, with and without line > wrapping. Did I miss a hash? Am I missing how it is supposed to be put into a > hash

DIS: am I missing something?

2018-10-25 Thread ATMunn
I'm attempting to judge CFJs 3665 and 3666, which both deal with the "First Bank of Agora" contract between G. and D. Margaux. The contract's text was originally exchanged secretly between the two, and only its SHA256 hash was published. Its text was published in a later message. However, no

DIS: Re: BUS: adop deputy

2018-10-25 Thread ATMunn
I might be willing to take up Registrar. Don't really want to do ADoP, I did that a long time ago and don't really feel like going back to it. On 10/25/2018 2:21 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: I intend to deputise for the ADoP to publish the ADoP's weekly Report. [Assuming Murphy doesn't return

Re: DIS: [Proto] Criminal Justice Reform Act

2018-10-25 Thread Rebecca
I would be fine deferring to legal terms of art again (tolling, say) but I'm not so sure about mathematical. This is probably because I love legal interpretation and couldn't add two numbers up if I tried haha. On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 9:00 AM Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > Perfect! Thanks for the

Re: DIS: [Proto] Criminal Justice Reform Act

2018-10-25 Thread Kerim Aydin
Perfect! Thanks for the vocabulary lesson. I think if it has a clear legal usage citation we should use it - if you know the definition it's a concise way to say it. Fun fact: we used to explicitly defer to legal/mathematical definitions over common language. From R754/7: (2) A

Re: DIS: [Proto] Criminal Justice Reform Act

2018-10-25 Thread D. Margaux
Here’s an example from a US Supreme Court case, Northern Pipeline Construction Co. v. Marathon Pipe Line Co., 458 U.S. 50 (1982). Final sentence of this paragraph: > Having concluded that the broad grant of jurisdiction to the bankruptcy > courts contained in 28 U. S. C. § 1471 (1976 ed.,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: I intend to win by apathy without objection AND I OBJECT

2018-10-25 Thread Kerim Aydin
If it "appears to do something", and doesn't do that something, then it's lying, right? If the thing it appears to do would *otherwise* be unregulated (i.e. without the No Faking rule), lying about doing it makes it regulated (because lying is regulated by No Faking). An example: sending a

Re: DIS: [Proto] Criminal Justice Reform Act

2018-10-25 Thread Kerim Aydin
Can you point me to a legal usage online somewhere? All the examples I found used it as meaning "sometime unspecified in the future" rather than "from this point onward".(of course not important if you change the word!) On Thu, 25 Oct 2018, Aris Merchant wrote: > Prospectively is the

Re: DIS: [Proto] Criminal Justice Reform Act

2018-10-25 Thread Aris Merchant
Prospectively is the legal opposite of retroactively. I will try to come up with another way of explaining it for the rule text, but that's what it generally means. -Aris On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 2:10 PM Timon Walshe-Grey wrote: > > The first time I read it I assumed the exact opposite, so it's

Re: DIS: [Proto] Criminal Justice Reform Act

2018-10-25 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
The first time I read it I assumed the exact opposite, so it's definitely ambiguous. -twg ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Thursday, October 25, 2018 7:31 PM, D. Margaux wrote: > I would read it to mean that the change in verdict does not operate > retroactively to affect any game

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: I intend to win by apathy without objection AND I OBJECT

2018-10-25 Thread Gaelan Steele
But, AFIAK, unregulated actions aren’t INEFFECTIVE, they’re just meaningless. No Faking only cares about things that are INEFFECTIVE. Therefore, No Faking doesn’t prohibit unregulated actions. Now that I think about it, No Faking says “believed…not to be effective” lowercase. Is that

Re: DIS: [Proto] Criminal Justice Reform Act

2018-10-25 Thread D. Margaux
I would read it to mean that the change in verdict does not operate retroactively to affect any game actions that have already taken place. So, for example, if a player’s vote is worth 0 because e has 3 blots, and it is later determined that the verdict imposing those 3 blots was inappropriate

Re: DIS: [Proto] Criminal Justice Reform Act

2018-10-25 Thread Kerim Aydin
Minor comment: I know the dictionary definition of the word, but I don't know what "prospectively" means in a practical sense in this rule (is there a legal term-of-art use of the word that I'm missing?) On Thu, 25 Oct 2018, D. Margaux wrote: > > The Adjudicator CAN assign any verdict, SHALL

Re: DIS: [Proto] Criminal Justice Reform Act

2018-10-25 Thread D. Margaux
> On Oct 24, 2018, at 11:32 PM, Aris Merchant > wrote: > > Okay. Revised plan: > > The Adjudicator CAN assign any verdict, SHALL assign an appropriate > verdict, and SHOULD assign the correct veridicr and list all other > appropriate verdicts. If a verdict is believed to be incorrect, any

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: I intend to win by apathy without objection AND I OBJECT

2018-10-25 Thread Kerim Aydin
No Faking prohibits lying, for a specific definition of "lying" that includes "not doing something that appears to do something" if you're doing that to mislead. Since lying is prohibited, the rules "limit" its performance, so it is regulated under R2125: An action is regulated if: (1)

Re: DIS: Dependent Action Proposal Adoption

2018-10-25 Thread Gaelan Steele
I had a proposal at some point (that got voted down, I don’t remember why off hand) that would allow a proposal to be resolved more quickly if >AI players had already voted FOR. Gaelan On Oct 24, 2018, at 9:31 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > Especially when pending is free, I think we have