DIS: Re: BUS: It's completely logical

2008-07-13 Thread Ben Caplan
On Sunday 13 July 2008 10:45:42 pm ihope wrote: Either the sky is always red or, if I do not hereby initiate an inquiry case on this sentence, then the sky is always green. (R v (~I = G)) Since ~G, it follows that I (ihope127 does in fact call said CFJ). Although ~R, (false v true) evaluates

Re: DIS: Are the lists up?

2008-07-12 Thread Ben Caplan
On Saturday 12 July 2008 07:09:51 pm Elliott Hird wrote: Ping. Pong.

DIS: Re: BUS: A different kind of rotation

2008-07-12 Thread Ben Caplan
On Saturday 12 July 2008 09:01:10 pm Ed Murphy wrote: a) Props are a currency. The recordkeepor of props is the ATC. Ownership of props is limited to first-class players. Props CANNOT be created, transferred, or destroyed except as required by this contract or

Re: DIS: New FINE Proto

2008-07-11 Thread Ben Caplan
On Thursday 10 July 2008 08:18:54 pm Sgeo wrote: this amount of the currency, specifies a maximum FINE amount, and the amount is no greater than the Should be: this amount of the currency, and the backing document specifies a maximum FINE amount, and the amount is

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: The Game

2008-07-11 Thread Ben Caplan
On Thursday 10 July 2008 06:41:15 pm Ian Kelly wrote: I never understood the attraction of that meme in the first place. There's a pretty good analysis of it here: http://gameshelf.jmac.org/2008/02/i-lose.html

Re: DIS: New FINE Proto

2008-07-11 Thread Ben Caplan
On Friday 11 July 2008 02:49:19 pm Roger Hicks wrote: On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 9:42 AM, Ben Caplan wrote: On Thursday 10 July 2008 08:18:54 pm Sgeo wrote: this amount of the currency, specifies a maximum FINE amount, and the amount is no greater than the Should

Re: DIS: New FINE Proto

2008-07-11 Thread Ben Caplan
On Friday 11 July 2008 03:08:13 pm Geoffrey Spear wrote: On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 3:49 PM, Roger Hicks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why have a maximum fine amount? Because without it I can't create a shell corporation to hold all of my assets, giving me some arbitrary currency in exchange and

Re: DIS: New FINE Proto

2008-07-09 Thread Ben Caplan
On Tuesday 8 July 2008 2:12:57 Zefram wrote: I think there should not be any extra capability here. If a contract doesn't allow voluntary destruction then this should not be a valid subject for a fine. Don't break zero-sum currencies, and in general don't break how particular currencies are

Re: DIS: Proto-proposal: Pragmatic ribbons

2008-07-09 Thread Ben Caplan
On Tuesday 8 July 2008 3:03:52 Quazie wrote: On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 12:29 PM, Taral [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When a player has become eligible for a ribbon within the last 7 days and does not already have that ribbon, e CAN award emself that ribbon by announcement. If it

Re: DIS: New FINE Proto

2008-07-09 Thread Ben Caplan
On Wednesday 9 July 2008 1:49:59 comex wrote: It would be interesting if we forced the ninny to transfer the goods to a first-class player not obligated to give them back-- of eir choice. SCAM

Re: DIS: New FINE Proto

2008-07-09 Thread Ben Caplan
On Wednesday 9 July 2008 3:15:52 Roger Hicks wrote: On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 12:19 PM, Ben Caplan LFD transfer usually breaks the same things as outright destruction. If the Lost Found Department gets 3 VP, for example, they're as good as gone. Why not allow the Assessor to auction off

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: AAA - Secretary of Agriculture Report

2008-07-08 Thread Ben Caplan
On Monday 7 July 2008 5:32:23 Quazie wrote: On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 3:23 PM, Benjamin Schultz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: An upgraded Ranch should require 2 WRVs / month (possibly distributed as 1 WRV every half month). I think the upgraded Mill is too powerful, though. The thought was that a

Re: DIS: Free agora

2008-07-06 Thread Ben Caplan
On Sunday 6 July 2008 10:22:13 Elliott Hird wrote: 2008/7/6 Geoffrey Spear [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Not that I think putting bits of Agora under the laws of a jurisdiction other than Agora itself is a great idea. We'd probably see some case appealed out of the equity courts and into a real world

DIS: Werewolves

2008-07-06 Thread Ben Caplan
Please don't kill me. Whether you lynch me or not, any one false lynching from this point would immediately cede the game to the werewolves. If we have a lynching this evening, then it's our last chance to catch a wolf; if we don't, then tomorrow evening is. Seen this way, the rational thing to

DIS: Re: BUS: Equity case: PNP

2008-07-06 Thread Ben Caplan
On Sunday 6 July 2008 5:07:30 Geoffrey Spear wrote: I hereby initiate an equity case regarding the PerlNomic Partnership contract. The parties to the contract are Pavitra, Wooble, abliss, ais523, chuck, comex, ehird, erez, ihope, jay, norgg, and woggle. It was not envisioned that the server

Re: DIS: Free agora

2008-07-05 Thread Ben Caplan
On Saturday 5 July 2008 10:00:24 Roger Hicks wrote: On Sat, Jul 5, 2008 at 8:52 PM, ihope [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or just give it some money. Is anybody willing to donate their estate to Agora? I've been toying with the idea of running a Jackpot Nomic for a while, where to become a

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Werewolves update

2008-07-04 Thread Ben Caplan
On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 6:30 PM, Elliott Hird [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You seem pretty resigned to your death, eh? And all you can do upon it is suggest to lynch me... My regular computer can't connect to the internet right now, so I'm stuck using the gmail web interface from a painfully slow

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: Your message to agora-official awaits moderator approval

2008-07-04 Thread Ben Caplan
On Tuesday 1 July 2008 3:35:51 Taral wrote: On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 1:30 PM, Roger Hicks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, I understand the reasoning behind the limitit just seems the limit is set too low. Were it expanded to even 200KB it would be rare that you would ever have to manually

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: distribution of proposals 5577-5584

2008-07-04 Thread Ben Caplan
On Friday 4 July 2008 10:04:22 Ian Kelly wrote: It may be that Pavitra did indeed compose the message last Sunday, but it didn't get sent until today for some reason. I just got my laptop hooked back up to the internet this evening. There were about four messages sitting in my outbox that just

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: comex, I hereby offer you a temporary fix.

2008-07-02 Thread Ben Caplan
Sounds good for the sell side, but I'd still like to see I buy up to X VP worth of votes in the obvious optimal fashion refactored as well. Not quite sure how to make that one work. Care to take a stab at it? I'm not sure about auto-optimization, but the current contract text supports a

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Werewolves update

2008-06-29 Thread Ben Caplan
On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 9:14 PM, comex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 9:24 PM, Quazie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ehird was the one to nominate Wobble Wooble was not a werewolf HMMM... After much ponderance, I submit the following for your consideration: ZOMG EHIRD = TEH LINCH

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Magenta! Columbia!

2008-06-29 Thread Ben Caplan
On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 10:07 PM, Geoffrey Spear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/6/29 Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Happy birthday, Agora! 45 seconds late, I believe. Wait, what? Does GMT +1200 mean + 1,200 hours? I assumed it meant + 12:00, i.e., + 12 hours. GMT +12 as of the writing of this

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Werewolves update

2008-06-29 Thread Ben Caplan
ehird, I'll give you all my chits if you make a public statement of innocence. This strikes me as not within the spirit of the game of Werewolf. Wolves need to be able to lie with impunity. Perhaps we should put a term in the contract to the effect of a party shall not publicly assert eir role?

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Werewolves update

2008-06-29 Thread Ben Caplan
Wolves need to be able to lie with impunity. Perhaps we should put a term in the contract to the effect of a party shall not publicly assert eir role? Sometimes a well timed role claim can win the game. And a well timed false role claim can really mess up the Town. By public, I meant to a

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Magenta! Columbia!

2008-06-29 Thread Ben Caplan
Happy birthday, Agora! 45 seconds late, I believe. the entire day of June 30, GMT +1200 = June 29 12:00:00 to June 30 12:00:00 (UTC). My message was posted at June 30 00:00:45 (UTC). http://www.timezoneconverter.com/cgi-bin/tzc.tzc thinks that the time as I write this is 04:10 Jun 30 (UTC) or

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Agoran Weekly Journal

2008-06-26 Thread Ben Caplan
On Thursday 26 June 2008 6:20:51 Quazie wrote: Historian should be an office that Murphy has... or something of the sort, where E can gain more than just kudos for his weekly journals. Especially now that Kudos aren't an Agoran currency.

DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2046 assigned to Goethe

2008-06-26 Thread Ben Caplan
It could be that it can devolve obligations without the person it devolves to being able to uphold these obligations. Then it's trivially TRUE, and ehrid is still a player. This seems to me to be obviously the case. The concept of SHALL and CANNOT is wholeheartedly compatible with the Spirit

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: comex, I hereby offer you a temporary fix.

2008-06-26 Thread Ben Caplan
On Thursday 26 June 2008 8:30:54 Kerim Aydin wrote: Oh hey, comex! Want to do a back-and-forth for trade for free to get us both above the limit for an instant? We could do that monthly as long as our combo sums to 50. -Goethe How much do you two trust each other?

DIS: Proto: Faster decisions

2008-06-25 Thread Ben Caplan
Amend R208 by replacing paragraph (a) to read:       (a) Either: (i) it is published after the voting period has ended, or (ii) each eligible voter has submitted at least one vaild ballot on it. Pavitra

DIS: Re: BUS: Fwd: Prerogative assignments for July

2008-06-25 Thread Ben Caplan
-- Forwarded message -- From: Dice server [EMAIL PROTECTED] Am I the only one who's getting a bad signature error? Pavitra

DIS: Re: BUS: Blarglfarg.

2008-06-25 Thread Ben Caplan
On Wednesday 25 June 2008 11:36:02 Roger Hicks wrote: On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 12:48 PM, Elliott Hird [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I change the Manroster to ehird. I rename Teh Cltohed Mna to ehrid. Since it is no longer a person and has never been a first-class person, I cause the contract

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Freezing shell corps accounts: the AFO example

2008-06-24 Thread Ben Caplan
On Tuesday 24 June 2008 10:21:11 Kerim Aydin wrote: On Mon, 23 Jun 2008, Ben Caplan wrote: On Monday 23 June 2008 11:40:43 Ben Caplan wrote: comex, would you change your behavior at all if we awarded you the Scamster? You certainly fulfill the requirements. Oh woops, you already have

Re: DIS: Proto: Boring Paradoxes

2008-06-24 Thread Ben Caplan
On Tuesday 24 June 2008 1:24:01 Alexander Smith wrote: There seems to have been quite a bit of paradox theft recently, so I've come up with this to try to clamp down on it. Proto: Boring Paradoxes (AI=3, II=1) Amend rule 2110 to the following: {{{ A tortoise is an inquiry case

Re: DIS: Proto: Scam Busting (with Fruit)

2008-06-24 Thread Ben Caplan
A game action is liberal iff the rules explicitly indicate that it is. A game action that is not liberal is parsimonious. Define game action. Does this include contract-defined actions? If I vote FORx4 on each of two proposals, is that one, two, or four actions? * Any action that is required

Re: DIS: Proto: Scam Busting (with Fruit)

2008-06-24 Thread Ben Caplan
On Tuesday 24 June 2008 4:21:50 Ben Caplan wrote: A game action is liberal iff the rules explicitly indicate that it is. A game action that is not liberal is parsimonious. Define game action. Does this include contract-defined actions? If I vote FORx4 on each of two proposals, is that one

Re: DIS: Proto: Scam Busting (with Fruit)

2008-06-24 Thread Ben Caplan
On Tuesday 24 June 2008 7:40:01 Ian Kelly wrote: On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 3:21 PM, Ben Caplan Define game action. Does this include contract-defined actions? That's the intent. Perhaps s/game action/regulated action/ This still isn't clear to me. It determines unambiguously whether a given

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Freezing shell corps accounts: the AFO example

2008-06-23 Thread Ben Caplan
On Monday 23 June 2008 10:27:36 Kerim Aydin wrote: I am glad that this was delivered in its pre-trial phase, for the real judgement, reading your response, will be harsher. OTHER MEMBERS OF THE AFO, you may want to work on protecting the contract and your personal involvement with comex's

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Freezing shell corps accounts: the AFO example

2008-06-23 Thread Ben Caplan
On Monday 23 June 2008 11:40:43 Ben Caplan wrote: comex, would you change your behavior at all if we awarded you the Scamster? You certainly fulfill the requirements. Oh woops, you already have it. It was a nice theory.

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2017 assigned to root

2008-06-22 Thread Ben Caplan
On Wednesday 18 June 2008 7:30:57 ihope wrote: It's an unregulated action, so I have the right to take it. I believe precedent is that generally, if I have the right to do something, but the rules provide no mechanism for it (and it's of the fictional type), I can do it by announcement.

DIS: Re: BUS: Contract: anti-corruption squad

2008-06-22 Thread Ben Caplan
On Sunday 22 June 2008 8:33:21 Geoffrey Spear wrote: 2. Any first class person join or leave this contract with the consent person can join

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: distribution of proposals 5547-5555

2008-06-16 Thread Ben Caplan
On Monday 16 June 2008 10:13:14 ihope wrote: Hmm, yes, you're probably right about the contract-defined actions thing. I would rather have a sentence or two stating that the gamestate can only be changed as the rules allow than a list of what's regulated and what's not that uses ambiguous

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: distribution of proposals 5547-5555

2008-06-16 Thread Ben Caplan
On Saturday 14 June 2008 8:38:19 ihope wrote: So what is it that you need to do that the rules have the power to prevent you from doing, and do not allow you to do? I'm taking out scammable paragraphs and replacing them with a sentence or two that have the same effect, if not a better one.

DIS: Re: BUS: Monstrous win

2008-06-16 Thread Ben Caplan
On Monday 16 June 2008 2:22:56 Quazie wrote: I submit the following proposal entitled A win of monstrous proportions with the following text: --- Upon the adoption of this proposal The barlog, Large Luigi the Beholder, the Jabberwocky, Pikachu, Dracula, The Hydra, Godzilla, and the Dover

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: distribution of proposals 5547-5555

2008-06-16 Thread Ben Caplan
On Monday 16 June 2008 6:39:52 Nick Vanderweit wrote: On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 5:25 PM, Ben Caplan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You'd have to have a good definition of gamestate. If it's not explicitly prohibited, then why bother disallowing it? We'll prohibit what we see as counter to our game

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: distribution of proposals 5547-5555

2008-06-16 Thread Ben Caplan
On Monday 16 June 2008 6:50:33 ihope wrote: The rules can't stop you from posting to the DF. They can prohibit it, but my proposal doesn't (well, shouldn't) claim to do so. R2141: Rules are unlimited in scope.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Monstrous win

2008-06-16 Thread Ben Caplan
On Monday 16 June 2008 7:16:50 Ian Kelly wrote: On Monday 16 June 2008 2:22:56 Quazie wrote: I submit the following proposal entitled A win of monstrous proportions with the following text: --- Upon the adoption of this proposal The barlog, Large Luigi the Beholder, the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: RE: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 1966 assigned to Pavitra

2008-06-14 Thread Ben Caplan
On Saturday 14 June 2008 12:51:52 Ben Caplan wrote: On Saturday 14 June 2008 12:18:39 Geoffrey Spear wrote: I SUPPORT. The judge did not touch on the issue of whether a privilege to do something implies that the thing in question CAN be done or merely MAY be done, as instructed

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Belle

2008-06-14 Thread Ben Caplan
On Friday 13 June 2008 8:51:40 Ed Murphy wrote: Pavitra wrote: On Friday 13 June 2008 9:46:55 Ed Murphy wrote: why I chose this proposal title. http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=9D04E1DD153DE334BC4B52DFB566838F649FDE No. Hm. It was a really strong match too. Snoopy's

Re: DIS: OVERLOOKED is still broken

2008-06-13 Thread Ben Caplan
On Friday 13 June 2008 1:22:35 Ed Murphy wrote: Ivan Hope, Pavitra, Zefram: Why did you vote against Proposal 5520? Amend Rule 1504 (Criminal Cases) by replacing this text: * OVERLOOKED, appropriate if the alleged act allegedly occurred at least 200 days before the case was

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 1994 assigned to Pavitra

2008-06-13 Thread Ben Caplan
On Friday 13 June 2008 3:40:37 Ian Kelly wrote: Note that the message in question eventually did get through, so this ^^ now appears to be trivially true. Rule 591 is fairly clear about at the time the inquiry case was initiated.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 1994 assigned to Pavitra

2008-06-13 Thread Ben Caplan
On Friday 13 June 2008 3:58:28 Ian Kelly wrote: On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 2:53 PM, Ben Caplan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday 13 June 2008 3:40:37 Ian Kelly wrote: Note that the message in question eventually did get through, so this ^^ now

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Belle

2008-06-13 Thread Ben Caplan
On Friday 13 June 2008 9:46:55 Ed Murphy wrote: [I pledge to ASAP spend a major chord to increase the VVLOD of the first player who correctly explains why I chose this proposal title.] http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=9D04E1DD153DE334BC4B52DFB566838F649FDE

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: AGORA AGORA AGORA AGORA

2008-06-12 Thread Ben Caplan
On Wednesday 11 June 2008 8:11:33 Kerim Aydin wrote: On Wed, 11 Jun 2008, Nick Vanderweit wrote: But then people would know how many FOR and AGAINST votes there had been, and would simply use that to judge how they would vote. That's ok. Games to play: -So who votes first? -What

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: AGORA AGORA AGORA AGORA

2008-06-12 Thread Ben Caplan
On Thursday 12 June 2008 3:14:10 Geoffrey Spear wrote: On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 4:04 PM, Ben Caplan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: B: I vote on it with md5 hash bar. (The string hashed as bar would have to include cryptographic salt: rather than FOR, it would be FOR /*8947521705932789

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: AGORA AGORA AGORA AGORA

2008-06-12 Thread Ben Caplan
On Thursday 12 June 2008 3:52:35 Ian Kelly wrote: On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 2:31 PM, Ben Caplan wrote: bar FOR /*8947521705932789*/ (AGAINST /*8947521705932789*/ hashes to baz.) That doesn't prove anything. Of course, all this indicates to me is that we should use

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: distribution of proposals 5541-5545

2008-06-07 Thread Ben Caplan
On Saturday 7 June 2008 12:13:46 Ed Murphy wrote: Suggested fix for the first problem with 5542: If the prior judgement ceases to be effective, then the contract is amended to read as it would have if it had not been amended as specified by the prior judgement. Alternatively: When an

DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 1985 assigned to Pavitra

2008-06-06 Thread Ben Caplan
== CFJ 1985 == The first paragraph of Rule 1586 has no effect. Caller's Arguments: How can attempts to *be* something be unsuccessful?

DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ 1984?

2008-06-04 Thread Ben Caplan
On Wednesday 4 June 2008 4:19:46 comex wrote: I initiate an inquiry case on the statement: { At least one of the following statements is true: - War is Peace. - Freedom is Slavery. - Ignorance is Strength. } I suggest you submit some arguments to the effect that this case should not just

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: distribution of proposals 5532-5537

2008-06-01 Thread Ben Caplan
On Sunday 1 June 2008 2:21:40 ihope wrote: 5537 D1 2Murphy Foreign trade FOR That is all. --Ivan Hope CXXVII You should vote PRESENT on 5532-5536, that's what it's there for.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 1935a assigned to Murphy, OscarMeyr, BobTHJ

2008-06-01 Thread Ben Caplan
On Sunday 1 June 2008 3:41:29 comex wrote: Except that pledges can't do things automatically. So really, he's out of luck. Why not?

Re: DIS: It might as well be in the ruleset

2008-06-01 Thread Ben Caplan
On Sunday 1 June 2008 4:28:29 Ian Kelly wrote: On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 3:07 PM, Ben Caplan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Change the title of rule 2168 to Please don't fail quorum, and I'm not fond of the title change. What would you call it? The current title doesn't logically cover the new

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Enigma #4

2008-06-01 Thread Ben Caplan
On Sunday 1 June 2008 5:47:42 Ian Kelly wrote: On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 4:23 PM, Benjamin Schultz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pavitra asked me to post my wild shot in public: First ? Nevermore Ovid ? ? Warren Havah or Eve or Lilit(h)... depends on which text you're using. Gary

DIS: Re: BUS: RE: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 1934 assigned to Pavitra

2008-05-31 Thread Ben Caplan
On Saturday 31 May 2008 1:32:35 Alexander Smith wrote: Pavitra wrote: I therefore judge CFJ 1934 IRRELEVANT. I call for judgement on the following statement: There is a CFJ with ID number 1934. Arguments: Hello! is not a statement, thus the attempt to file the CFJ in the first place

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 1944 assigned to Pavitra

2008-05-29 Thread Ben Caplan
On Tuesday 27 May 2008 4:09:46 ihope wrote: --Ivan Hope NTTPF Uh

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: RE: RE: Salvaging the Gnarly Contract

2008-05-29 Thread Ben Caplan
On Thursday 29 May 2008 12:41:27 Geoffrey Spear wrote: Your ability to create a paradoxical contract without the support of a majority of players which makes information required to judge a case logically impossible for the judge to ascertain isn't the same as an ability to trick

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 1944 assigned to Pavitra

2008-05-29 Thread Ben Caplan
On Tuesday 27 May 2008 4:09:46 ihope wrote: I submit a proposal with adoption index 1.7: Before the last paragraph of rule 591, add the paragraph '* ANY, appropriate if the statement uses the word any in an ambiguous manner'. Oh, and UNDETERMINED is already appropriate if the statement is ...

DIS: Re: BUS: Enigma #4

2008-05-29 Thread Ben Caplan
On Monday 26 May 2008 8:50:16 Ed Murphy wrote: Submitted by Pavitra: I am my ordinal number. I measure the diagonal. I am the cry of the raven. I record the metamorphoses. I am the breath of the muse. I weave the eternal golden braid. I am the inner council of rabbits. I am the woman

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 1936a assigned to comex, Pavitra, pikhq

2008-05-22 Thread Ben Caplan
On Wednesday 21 May 2008 10:31:28 Ed Murphy wrote: Pavitra wrote: Simply put: persons make binding agreements; Agora makes those agreements into contracts, and eventually perhaps contests. The judgement for a question on equation is not even a contract. Counterargument: R1742 says

Re: DIS: Psychology of Agora: How is PRESENT viewed?

2008-05-22 Thread Ben Caplan
On Thursday 22 May 2008 2:01:31 Elliott Hird wrote: Dear (fellow) Agorans, How do you view a vote of PRESENT regarding a proposal you made? Do view it as a kind of wimpy FOR, or do you take it as a sort of well, I oppose this, but not enough for AGAINST? Other opinions are welcome, but I

Re: DIS: RE: BUS: RE: [CotC] CFJ 1961 assigned to Pavitra

2008-05-22 Thread Ben Caplan
On Thursday 22 May 2008 4:31:18 Kerim Aydin wrote: Boy, what a bunch of lying going on. I hope y'all others can teach these folks that a purposeful lie is a purposeful lie, whether or not it also happens to be a game action (and DISCLAIMERS to the contrary notwithstanding). Actually, I

Re: DIS: RE: BUS: RE: [CotC] CFJ 1961 assigned to Pavitra

2008-05-22 Thread Ben Caplan
On Thursday 22 May 2008 4:55:15 Alexander Smith wrote: Just because I didn't claim my claim of identity to be true, and explicitly refrained from saying that it was true or false, doesn't mean that it isn't a public document. You fundamentally cannot publish a statement without claiming it to

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: No unappealable judgements

2008-05-22 Thread Ben Caplan
On Thursday 22 May 2008 6:08:54 ihope wrote: On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 11:01 PM, Ben Caplan wrote: {{ Amend rule 911 by inserting the text of REMAND or REASSIGN after a judgement in the second paragraph. }} That text appears twice, I believe. But only once in the second paragraph

DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 1936a assigned to comex, Pavitra, pikhq

2008-05-21 Thread Ben Caplan
For reference: == CFJ 1936 == The judge in an equity case CAN make the equation a contest by stating it is one. Judge Murphy's Arguments: I

Re: DIS: RE: [CotC] CFJ 1945 assigned to ais523

2008-05-14 Thread Ben Caplan
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Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 1940 assigned to Wooble

2008-05-14 Thread Ben Caplan
On Wednesday 14 May 2008 3:35:10 ihope wrote: Hmm. I should have pointed out that ASAP and as soon as possible may not be the same thing. R754(1), James T. Kirk edition: ... the use of [an] ... acronym ... in place of a ... phrase, is inconsequential in all forms of communication Pavitra

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: RE: [CotC] CFJ 1945 assigned to ais523

2008-05-14 Thread Ben Caplan
On Wednesday 14 May 2008 4:37:26 comex wrote: i ,dnah rehto eht nO f either of you wrot tiw segassem esoht e hout a script, you'r .enasni e m'I ss H .ne iasieu ni!rhg sl Et ane, I Well,

Re: DIS: Re: AAA Change

2008-05-13 Thread Ben Caplan
On Tuesday 13 May 2008 5:04:16 Benjamin Schultz wrote: I consent. NttPF.

Re: DIS: RE: [CotC] CFJ 1945 assigned to ais523

2008-05-13 Thread Ben Caplan
Pavitra is that they're inconsistent with our larger textual experience. inconsistent; the reason that wholly bottom-to-top messages don't work reason that top-posting doesn't work is that the message in internally Zefram's core point is right, though: it's bad to be inconsistent. The certain

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 1939 assigned to Goethe

2008-05-10 Thread Ben Caplan
On Saturday 10 May 2008 12:24:14 Kerim Aydin wrote: R2125 states that actions are regulated if (conditions a..d), but does not define regulated, nor does any other Rule. I always thought that R2125 defined regulated. In what sense does it not do so, and

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Ducks platypuses

2008-05-09 Thread Ben Caplan
On Friday 9 May 2008 5:31:33 Elliott Hird wrote: 2008/5/9 Ian Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Then you shouldn't have joined that one either. You realize the chain can't recur infinitely, because the base state is not to be a member of any contract, so you must have joined these contracts at some

DIS: Re: BUS: Yet another CFJ

2008-05-09 Thread Ben Caplan
On Friday 9 May 2008 5:10:29 Alexander Smith wrote: Is it even possible to agree to a private contract you don't know all the details of? More importantly, if it is, what happens? Seems to me that it's possible, but basically ineffective due to R101(v). You can decide at any time not to

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Ducks platypuses

2008-05-09 Thread Ben Caplan
On Friday 9 May 2008 6:03:17 Elliott Hird wrote: 2008/5/9 Ben Caplan [EMAIL PROTECTED]: You still must have joined the infinite chain (or at least one contract thereof) in said finite past. One of the meta-religions along the chain specifies that I have been in existence for an infinite

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Ducks platypuses

2008-05-09 Thread Ben Caplan
On Friday 9 May 2008 6:27:08 Elliott Hird wrote: 2008/5/10 Ben Caplan [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The issue is not whether you have been in existence forever, but whether you have been a member of the chain forever. Let's assume you have always been bound by the conditions, even before the meta

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Ducks platypuses

2008-05-09 Thread Ben Caplan
On Friday 9 May 2008 8:29:54 Ed Murphy wrote: There may still be some gray area, but this recent sequence of events is not it. Quoted for great justice. At the time the contract in question was joined (by each of its parties), there was no way for any party to avoid violating it. Everyone

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: RE: [CotC] CFJ 1932 assigned to ais523

2008-05-08 Thread Ben Caplan
On Thursday 8 May 2008 11:43:32 Ian Kelly wrote: I could make the agreement. I could make the agreement a contest. Therefore the contest is a possible agreement I could make. What's so complicated about that? It's not possible for you to do so truly unilaterally. In a certain sense, yes, no

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Just a little thing

2008-05-08 Thread Ben Caplan
On Thursday 8 May 2008 4:58:08 Ed Murphy wrote: comex wrote: I do hereby publish this text, which is of a potential contract: {{ 1. This contract will be public when it forms. 2. This contract is a pledge. }} I may at any time decide to make this into a contract (without telling

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: RE: [CotC] CFJ 1932 assigned to ais523

2008-05-08 Thread Ben Caplan
On Thursday 8 May 2008 5:39:14 Ian Kelly wrote: CAN and could are not synonymous. If the phrase used by R2169 is intended to mean ...the possible agreements that the parties CAN make..., then it should say that. Currently, it does not. Fair point. However: Could is the subjunctive form of

DIS: Re: BUS: Joining, sitting, appealing

2008-05-08 Thread Ben Caplan
On Thursday 8 May 2008 5:40:15 Elliott Hird wrote: I join Agora. I wish to be known by the nickname ehird. We have a suspicious sudden influx of people ending in numbers: Ivan Hope CXXVII, ais523, and now (with a bit of wordplay) Elliot the Third. Conspiracy? Foreign invasion? Sock puppets?

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: RE: [CotC] CFJ 1932 assigned to ais523

2008-05-08 Thread Ben Caplan
On Thursday 8 May 2008 6:45:24 Ian Kelly wrote: On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 5:08 PM, Ben Caplan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fair point. However: Could is the subjunctive form of can (R754(1)), as in I can join the AAA today; I could have joined the AAA yesterday. Can SHOULD be taken to mean CAN

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ 1921 Judgment

2008-05-03 Thread Ben Caplan
On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 11:13 PM, Buddha Buck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Keep in mind the As in 4 part of the CFJ, which was if the phrasing is informal... (...) This CFJ, on the other hand, concerns private communications along the lines of: {{From Bob: Hey Alice, I'll show you mine if

Re: DIS: Proto-proposal: Flash proposals

2008-05-03 Thread Ben Caplan
Oh, and in that case I revise my minimum index suggestion to 3. Why shouldn't there be power 1 flash proposals?

DIS: Proto-proposal: Flash proposals

2008-05-02 Thread Ben Caplan
I've been thinking that it might be a good idea to have a way to pass proposals arbitrarily quickly, in case of emergency. Of course, it would have to be fairly failsafe againt voting scams. Flash Proposals AI=3 {{ Create a new rule at power 3 entitled Flash Proposals with the following text:

Re: DIS: Proto-proposal: Flash proposals

2008-05-02 Thread Ben Caplan
, calling an emergency session would probably do more harm than good. On Friday 2 May 2008 3:58:54 Ian Kelly wrote: On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 1:03 PM, Ben Caplan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: An active first-class player generally CAN adopt a proposal with N Support, provided

Re: DIS: Don't forget to water!

2008-04-30 Thread Ben Caplan
On Wednesday 30 April 2008 12:07:55 Roger Hicks wrote: Tomorrow starts a new month, don't forget to water your digit ranches! I know the AFO will experience some land destruction unless it's fields are shown some TLC today. Also, I have two #4 digit ranches (one of which is about to be

DIS: Re: BUS: Enigma #3

2008-04-28 Thread Ben Caplan
On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 12:30 AM, Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This puzzle is called: Ntben Zrzorefuvc Jbeqfrnepu It looks like it should be: zolzvlnkornzn jbokitubnbftj bretnrocfvljk tenpagznesrmg tbrgurernhgbj yrkwbqfnzvzqo rrbgcfgvzkiup yynvrzpcnuiro eovqpfnnvferr bbqkkmniebqnq

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: An unconventional way to create a rule

2008-04-28 Thread Ben Caplan
I made my comment in a-d-- does it count as acting? If I am not allowed to truthfully describe the game in any forum, does that violate my R101 right of participation in the fora? It is interesting to note that, by referring to your comment as truthfully describing the game, you assert the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: An unconventional way to create a rule

2008-04-28 Thread Ben Caplan
On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 1:31 PM, Ian Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 11:52 AM, Ben Caplan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Aside from that, this case differs from CFJ1738 in two interesting ways. First, it deals with the discussion forum instead of public fora

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: An unconventional way to create a rule

2008-04-28 Thread Ben Caplan
On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 5:53 PM, Kerim Aydin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not to distract from your overall point, but picking a nit: didn't we have a precedent that every player was notified if something was sent to the PF, a person was notified if something was sent to their registered e-mail

Re: DIS: Proto-Proposal - Community Service

2008-04-26 Thread Ben Caplan
On Saturday 26 April 2008 8:52:51 comex wrote: On Sat, Apr 26, 2008 at 5:10 AM, Geoffrey Spear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's possible for Agora to repeal all rules. In fact, just about the only thing Agora can do is award a win. Protective decrees are acts of Agora.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Request to be a Protectorate

2008-04-24 Thread Ben Caplan
On Thursday 24 April 2008 3:04:54 Kerim Aydin wrote: As it currently reads, the only way to guarantee *any* decree has *full* effect is to have it take precedence over everything. Currently, I believe IRCN's R112 (wins may only be by points) takes precedence over its R305 (protective decrees).

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