Re: DIS: Re: BUS: silence!

2010-09-21 Thread Ed Murphy
Wooble wrote: On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 9:27 AM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: According to the Assessor DB, I gained a Rest on September 1 at 12:41:16 UTC. Did that one get destroyed? Otherwise, the DB matches the above. I don't think you actually gained a Rest at that time

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2864 judged GUILTY / APOLOGY by G.

2010-09-21 Thread Ed Murphy
Tanner L. Swett wrote: CoE: I never sent the above message. What I did send was a very similar message that said = where the above message says =3D. Admitted, fixed in DB.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Erratification

2010-09-19 Thread Ed Murphy
Tanner L. Swett wrote: On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 1:44 AM, comex com...@gmail.com wrote: Proposal: Erratification Ratify the following incorrect document: { 1 + 1 = 3 } The definition: When a public document is ratified, the gamestate is minimally modified so that the ratified document was

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposals 6834-41 are probably failing quorum due to succession weirdness

2010-09-17 Thread Ed Murphy
Wooble wrote: On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 9:53 AM, Keba ag...@kebay.org wrote: An invasion consisting of one player? (Or miss I someone?) Did I do anything wrong to deal me out? One player? Blognomic's Riddler took direct action to make you the Speaker; this conspiracy touches the highest

DIS: Re: BUS: Do we need monkeys?

2010-09-16 Thread Ed Murphy
Wooble wrote: I submit the following Fragment: {{ οἵ πίθηκοι ἀλλο-πρόσαλλοι ἔστοι }} For the curious, Google Translate interprets this as Greek for Monkeys are another; prosalloi estoi.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: ditto

2010-09-14 Thread Ed Murphy
Keba wrote: Ed Murphy wrote: Keba wrote: Keba wrote: Twice. Tanner L. Swett has now 1 erg left. Well, no. Tanner L. Swett does not possess any ergs anymore. Sorry. The quoted message containing Twice hasn't come through (presumably it also clarified how many of the Pariah's rests omd

DIS: Re: BUS: ditto

2010-09-13 Thread Ed Murphy
omd wrote: As many times as possible, I pay a fee to destroy an erg in The Pariah's possession. H. PSM Keba, how many times did this work? (I need to update rest counts in the Assessor DB to determine whose votes are nullified.) Tanner L. Swett wrote: As many times as possible, I pay a fee

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 6842-6846

2010-09-13 Thread Ed Murphy
omd wrote: If the initial NoV was invalid and if this is possible, I pay a fee to publish a NoV identical to the above, contest it, and initiate a criminal case on it. This would be your third NoV in the same week, so a 1-erg fee per Rule 2230. H. PSM Keba, did omd have at least 1 erg at the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Referee] Catchup League Table

2010-09-13 Thread Ed Murphy
Tanner L. Swett wrote: On Tuesday, September 7, 2010, Warrigal ihope12...@gmail.com wrote: Without two objections from members of my team, I intend to change its name to Confederate. —Confederator Tanner L. Swett If possible, I do so. NttPF

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: ditto

2010-09-13 Thread Ed Murphy
Keba wrote: Keba wrote: Twice. Tanner L. Swett has now 1 erg left. Well, no. Tanner L. Swett does not possess any ergs anymore. Sorry. The quoted message containing Twice hasn't come through (presumably it also clarified how many of the Pariah's rests omd destroyed).

DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposal 6796, redux

2010-09-10 Thread Ed Murphy
I wrote: If a second decision on Proposal 6796 was initiated, then its outcome is REJECTED with the following details: 6796 O1 2.0 coppro The Robot ais523 2A G. 7P Keba 5A Murphy 2A omd 10P Wooble 5A F/A 0/14 VI/AI 0/2 quorum

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Judgements

2010-09-10 Thread Ed Murphy
G. wrote: On Fri, 10 Sep 2010, com...@gmail.com wrote: Sent from my iPhone On Sep 10, 2010, at 1:22 PM, Geoffrey Spear geoffsp...@gmail.com wrote: Instruments generally, nowhere. Proposals in particular, the first paragraph of R106: When a proposal that includes such explicit

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: The FSCN

2010-09-08 Thread Ed Murphy
Warrigal wrote: On Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 7:57 AM, Jonatan Kilhamn jonatan.kilh...@gmail.com wrote: On 3 September 2010 04:05, Warrigal ihope12...@gmail.com wrote: So, what shall we do first? I guess I can draft a proposal to create an accumulable currency that you can turn ergs into. What

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2830 assigned to Tanner L. Swett

2010-09-08 Thread Ed Murphy
Warrigal wrote: (CotC Murphy, I'm curious what your reasoning is for assigning H. ais523 to all of these cases.) Aglets.

DIS: Re: OFF: [IADoP] Promotor election

2010-09-08 Thread Ed Murphy
Wooble wrote: On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 9:27 AM, Geoffrey Spear geoffsp...@gmail.com wrote: Well, this is broken... As required by Rule 107, since there is only 1 option, I end the voting period for the Promotor election. The option chosen would be FAILED QUORUM. The voting period is

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: The FSCN

2010-09-08 Thread Ed Murphy
Warrigal wrote: On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 11:23 PM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: Does fungibility break this? No, because capacitors are not a currency. Huh, and neither are ergs and fans. Was that intentional? Unlike cards, there's no obvious reason in the existing ruleset

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2851a assigned to Tanner L. Swett, G., omd

2010-09-06 Thread Ed Murphy
omd wrote: On Sat, Sep 4, 2010 at 2:34 PM, omd c.ome...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Sep 4, 2010 at 11:29 AM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: Detail: http://zenith.homelinux.net/cotc/viewcase.php?cfj=2851a AFFIRM without prejudice I just remembered that I actually destroyed those 3

Re: DIS: Rest request

2010-09-06 Thread Ed Murphy
G. wrote: H. Assessor and CotC Murphy, Would you happen to have a relatively up-to-date NoV and Rest record I can use as the basis of updating the Herald's report? I don't have a public-facing web page for Rest history, but here are all the changes I've recorded since June 1 (the right-hand

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: ARGH

2010-09-04 Thread Ed Murphy
Wooble wrote: On Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 11:18 AM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: It strikes me that when an officer ends up unresigned and inactive, the office gets stuck. Is this right currently? Should we amend deputisation to allow for inactive offices, not just vacant? (and are

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Resignation

2010-08-29 Thread Ed Murphy
coppro wrote: On 08/29/2010 12:07 PM, Sgeo wrote: I don't think I have the willpower to be Chroniclor... I resign from Chroniclor You're not allowed to do that. More specifically, R1006 only allows elected holders to resign. More to the point, Chroniclor was already repealed by Proposal

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJs 2844-45 assigned to coppro

2010-08-28 Thread Ed Murphy
coppro wrote: On 08/28/2010 02:47 AM, Sean Hunt wrote: On 08/27/2010 06:05 PM, Ed Murphy wrote: Detail: http://zenith.homelinux.net/cotc/viewcase.php?cfj=2844 === CFJ 2844 (Interest Index = 0) I have CFJed on this exact statement, except with 'United

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2838 assigned to G.

2010-08-28 Thread Ed Murphy
I wrote: G. wrote: I set the II of this case to 1, deliver the judgement of FALSE with the following arguments, award myself a capacitor, then stand up. CoE: The standing-up part is ineffective, as the case was no longer disinterested by that point. Also, you were standing anyway

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJs 2844-45 assigned to coppro

2010-08-28 Thread Ed Murphy
ais523 wrote: On Sat, 2010-08-28 at 02:57 -0700, Ed Murphy wrote: For each of these cases, I submit the following gratuitous arguments (and apologize for not having included them up front), and intend (with 2 support) to appeal its judgement, recommending REMAND without prejudice: I

DIS: Re: BUS: Judgements, capacitors

2010-08-28 Thread Ed Murphy
coppro wrote: On 08/28/2010 05:34 PM, Ed Murphy wrote: 2851: coppro has admitted to eir guilt. The default penalty is mitigated by the interesting gameplay that has resulted (contrast the hypothetical example of coppro changing eir nickname to omb, which would just be annoying). GUILTY

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Frankenstein Destroyers rule!

2010-08-27 Thread Ed Murphy
G. wrote: On Fri, 27 Aug 2010, Ed Murphy wrote: Proposal: Frankenstein Destroyers rule! Secret Societies are Treason, Citizen. What's the handshake? Why, I wouldn't know /that/, I'm a loyal citizen I'll have you know!

DIS: Re: BUS: Computor informs

2010-08-27 Thread Ed Murphy
Yally wrote: On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 16:15, ais523 callforjudgem...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: On Fri, 2010-08-27 at 22:09 +0200, Jonatan Kilhamn wrote: The shuttle has completed two very short journeys in quick succession. For each journey, every player who was active and not the enemy at the start

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: More fun with nomenclature

2010-08-27 Thread Ed Murphy
ais523 wrote: I note in passing that scams of the type that coppro is attempting atm could, in future, be resolved by assigning ID numbers to players. Who is Number One? Michael Norrish is, Number Six.

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Frankenstein Destroyers rule!

2010-08-27 Thread Ed Murphy
omd wrote: On Aug 27, 2010, at 6:30 PM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: omd wrote: NoV: Murphy violated Power-1 Rule 2224 by setting this proposal's Interest Index to 0, although its effects are not limited to correcting errors and/or ambiguities. I contest this NoV. The sole

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Fearmongor] Change is Nigh!

2010-08-27 Thread Ed Murphy
Wooble wrote: There's also no way to become Associate Director of Personnel, although it might be considered a reasonable synonym of its successor office. cf. CFJ 1672

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Not a cronjob

2010-08-27 Thread Ed Murphy
Wooble wrote: On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 10:19 PM, Geoffrey Spear geoffsp...@gmail.com wrote: I contest this NoV. I initiate a criminal CFJ regarding this NoV and submit it to the Justiciar. I assign this CFJ to Murphy, as I think e's the only eligible Judge. You also need to assign it an ID

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2842 assigned to Tanner L. Swett

2010-08-27 Thread Ed Murphy
Warrigal wrote: The default penalty for violating a power-1 rule is two rests. No, it's one rest. Rule 2230, excerpt: When a NoV becomes Closed, a number of Rests are created in the possession of the Accused equal to the Class of the specified Crime,

Re: DIS: ...and so is my wife

2010-08-26 Thread Ed Murphy
G. wrote: The more I think of it, the more surprised I am that I can't remember anyone trying this scam. We've had plenty of attempted hardcodings of players into rules/proposals (e.g. G. can amend this rule) or comex is hereby awarded X) but I can't remember anyone trying to change

Re: DIS: ...and so is my wife

2010-08-26 Thread Ed Murphy
omd wrote: On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 7:38 PM, Michael Norrish michael.norr...@nicta.com.au wrote: I think I remember something similar. Â I certainly wrote a judgement that defeated such an attempt. Â I used the Alice Through the Looking Glass argument that being called something, and having

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Not a cronjob

2010-08-25 Thread Ed Murphy
omd wrote: On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 9:30 PM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: It's 22-20 and the voting period is over. Not yet confirmed (I need to evaluate several conditionals and add them to the DB), but even if you're right, it's AI=2 so it would fail. For what it's worth, I

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Not a cronjob

2010-08-25 Thread Ed Murphy
ais523 wrote: --- On Tue, 24/8/10, omd c.ome...@gmail.com wrote: In this case, the entity with the name The Robot will be coppro *at the time of the enaction of the rule*. Also: A document referring to an entity by name refers to the entity that had that name when the document first came

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of Proposal 6796

2010-08-25 Thread Ed Murphy
ais523 wrote: --- On Tue, 24/8/10, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: OIC. Proposal: Mother says not to run on the concrete (AI = 3, II = 1, co-author = omd, distributable via fee) Amend Rule 106 (Adopting Proposals) by replacing this text: If the Rules do not otherwise

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Not a cronjob

2010-08-24 Thread Ed Murphy
coppro wrote: On 08/24/2010 12:27 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: Well, that's slightly more interesting, but the Proposal was a document that predated coppro's name change, so there's a case to be made that the Proposal's referent transfers to the Rules along with the actual language. -G. The

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Not a cronjob

2010-08-24 Thread Ed Murphy
coppro wrote: On 08/24/2010 05:28 PM, Geoffrey Spear wrote: On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 5:44 PM, Sean Huntscsh...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca wrote: When Distributed Proposal 6808 is resolved and ADOPTED, s/When/If/ It's 22-20 and the voting period is over. Not yet confirmed (I need to evaluate

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Shame!

2010-08-23 Thread Ed Murphy
Keba wrote: On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 05:09:12 -0700, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: 6783-89 are going to fail quorum about 30 hours from now, as only four players coppro, Murphy, Wooble, Yally) have voted on them. Active but not voted: ais523, ehird, G., Keba, omd, Sgeo, Tanner L

Re: DIS: PM protosal

2010-08-23 Thread Ed Murphy
Keba wrote: Is this similar to the AFO? I have not read the proposal/rule of that player, because I did not want to get inspirated by it, I want to create something different. The AFO was a contract-based legal person that any member of the contract could control at any time by announcement.

Re: DIS: PM protosal

2010-08-23 Thread Ed Murphy
G. wrote: The physicist is an office and should be held by the PM. Its weekly report contains how often and by whom the PM has been powered, who is the Energy Spender and a list of all bot-PM actions of the previous seven days. If the PM holds this office, no real person would be

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: PM protosal

2010-08-23 Thread Ed Murphy
Keba wrote: On Mon, 23 Aug 2010 13:53:40 -0400, Geoffrey Spear geoffsp...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 12:45 PM, Sgeo sgeos...@gmail.com wrote: CoE: You also do not have enough ergs to do this. Enough ergs to discuss something? Well, it was labelled distributable via fee.

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 6790-6810

2010-08-21 Thread Ed Murphy
Keba wrote: Sean Hunt wrote: 6805 G 1 1.0 KebaProps should be important! This decision doesn't exist, but ENDORSE the Captain just in case Why does this decision not exist? ais523 had payed a fee to make it distributable? IIRC, the initial distribution was ineffective

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 6790-6810

2010-08-21 Thread Ed Murphy
Sgeo wrote: 6806 P 1 3.1 coppro Ratification misstep PRESENT [What's this for?] IIRC, ratifying the ruleset is currently rendered ineffective by Rule 105's Rule changes always occur sequentially.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 6790-6810

2010-08-21 Thread Ed Murphy
coppro wrote: On 08/21/2010 02:32 PM, Ed Murphy wrote: 6808 P 1 1.0 coppro Super Robot Powers AGAINST (I smell a scam consisting of an affordably short sub-message within a 1000+ word container message) I sure hope not; that's why I built the Robot rule and the recent

DIS: Re: BUS: Hoisting one's own wormhole

2010-08-20 Thread Ed Murphy
ais523 wrote: What should I do instead? Resign as Referee and publish unofficial reports until the computer problems are fixed? Under the circumstances, you could publish non-plaintext reports and argue a 1504(e) defense.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJs 2833-34 assigned to Yally

2010-08-20 Thread Ed Murphy
ais523 wrote: Is it even possible to recuse yourself with a case immediately after judging? Yes. R2164: The judge of a judicial case CAN recuse emself from it at any time by announcement. R911: REMAND ... the prior question is rendered open again REMIT ... the judge of the prior case

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Opinion on 2830a

2010-08-16 Thread Ed Murphy
G. wrote: On Sat, 14 Aug 2010, comex wrote: On Sat, Aug 14, 2010 at 3:30 PM, Warrigal ihope12...@gmail.com wrote: This, this. G., if you're going to AFFIRM as well, can you please specify a substantive set of arguments? In particular, it would help if you made some reference to my

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: OK Go

2010-08-16 Thread Ed Murphy
G. Amend R107 by replacing: Rules to the contrary notwithstanding, the voting period for a decision with at least two options cannot be shorter than seven days. with: The voting period for a decision with at least two options is secured

Re: DIS: To repair listlessness v0.2

2010-08-16 Thread Ed Murphy
coppro wrote: Nah, Chamber doesn't work that well anyways. What about that change that ehird suggested, where you got 5 votes on some chamber other than your own?

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Energize new players

2010-08-15 Thread Ed Murphy
Yally wrote: On Sat, Aug 14, 2010 at 15:51, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: Proposal: Energize new players (AI = 2, II = 1, co-author = Keba) Amend Rule 2282 (Energy) by inserting this text before the paragraph beginning The Power Station Manager (PSM) is: When a player

Re: DIS: Thesis archive?

2010-08-15 Thread Ed Murphy
Keba wrote: Does anyone saved all (or at least the most recent) theses? First, theses should not only be written just to gain Degrees, but to be useful as well. Second, if ais523 fix eir thesis, I am not sure which Degree it's worth, because I don't have any comparison. Blob's archive

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: NoV: the ATC should take duties more seriously

2010-08-13 Thread Ed Murphy
coppro wrote: Proposal: Low altitude (AI = 1, II = 0, distributable by fee) Keba is a co-author of this proposal, unless e announces within a week after the publication of this proposal that e is not. Amend Rule 2287 (Props) by replacing this text: The Air Traffic Controller is

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJs 2821-22 remanded to G. by ais523, Wooble, Murphy

2010-08-13 Thread Ed Murphy
comex wrote: Well, I disagree with that. It is unreasonable to allow X as an administrative convenience shorthand for Y if nobody, not even the administrators, know what Y is. ...How do fungible assets fit into this scheme? Depends whether the rules require one to specify or merely

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: *Wakes up after a multi-month nap*

2010-08-13 Thread Ed Murphy
Wooble wrote: On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 2:34 PM, Warrigal ihope12...@gmail.com wrote: This. I'm treating this as effective if no one CFJs it. Yeah, seems reasonably similar to TTttPF.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: a

2010-08-13 Thread Ed Murphy
ais523 wrote: On the other hand, I don't really understand why Space Alert exists at all... It has to exist! Where would all the fragments go?

DIS: Re: BUS: omd

2010-08-13 Thread Ed Murphy
comex wrote: I stand up. Ineffective, you can't directly stand (except in conjunction with judging or sommat, which you didn't).

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Ship Computor] Printout

2010-08-12 Thread Ed Murphy
ais523 wrote: Also, I intend, with notice, to initiate a new journey; I intend, with notice, to initiate a new journey; I intend, with notice, to initiate a new journey; I intend, with notice, to initiate a new journey; I intend, with notice, to initiate a new journey; I intend, with notice,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Ship Computor] Printout

2010-08-12 Thread Ed Murphy
ais523 wrote: On Thu, 2010-08-12 at 08:55 -0700, Ed Murphy wrote: ais523 wrote: Also, I intend, with notice, to initiate a new journey; I intend, with notice, to initiate a new journey; I intend, with notice, to initiate a new journey; I intend, with notice, to initiate a new journey; I

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: OK Go

2010-08-12 Thread Ed Murphy
comex wrote: [I've complained repeatedly about the length of time currently required to adopt proposals, which can have a significant negative effect on the game. Since the current proposal volume really isn't all that high, I think that BlogNomic-style immediate distribution is not only

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] Census

2010-08-12 Thread Ed Murphy
coppro wrote: On 08/09/2010 12:03 PM, Geoffrey Spear wrote: G. ke...@u.washington.edu 29 Oct 09 S I intend, without objection, to flip activity to inactive. Yours? G.'s? Wooble's?

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: OK Go

2010-08-12 Thread Ed Murphy
comex wrote: On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 7:22 PM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: comex wrote: [I've complained repeatedly about the length of time currently required to adopt proposals, which can have a significant negative effect on the game. Since the current proposal volume really

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Timing and ISIDTID

2010-08-11 Thread Ed Murphy
comex wrote: Yo dawg. I was /just about to say/.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Thesis, compressed

2010-08-10 Thread Ed Murphy
G. wrote: On Tue, 10 Aug 2010, Alex Smith wrote: Assuming that Taral eventually approves the message, the thesis counts as being submitted already. So people can see what it is, I've attached a compressed version of the email I sent, to get around the size filters. Nice start, but I think

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 6766-6782

2010-08-07 Thread Ed Murphy
ais523 wrote: If possible, I become Purple. It isn't, you already became Purple in April and haven't changed since.

DIS: Re: BUS: More Proposals!

2010-08-07 Thread Ed Murphy
coppro wrote: Proposal: All's Well on the ID Front (AI=1, II=1, Distributable via fee) {{{ Amend Rule 2161 by removing bullets (c) and (e) from the list, and relettering the rest accordingly, and amending bullet (b) to read (b) Such an assignment is INVALID unless the number is a

DIS: Re: BUS: Inactivity

2010-08-02 Thread Ed Murphy
Wooble wrote: Have the quorum numbers been considering Yally active all this time? Sgeo, but yes. I never caught it before because Sgeo always objected before (so there was nothing for me to record), and only caught it this time because the draft CotC report disagreed (at which point I checked

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposals 6751 - 6762

2010-08-02 Thread Ed Murphy
comex wrote: On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 8:46 PM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: Proposal 6761 (Purple, AI=2.0, Interest=None) by coppro Admitted. It's listed correctly at the top, this part was just copy+pasted from the Promotor's initiation message. I was wondering if Python

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposals 6751 - 6762

2010-08-02 Thread Ed Murphy
On 8/2/2010 8:19 PM, comex wrote: On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 11:09 PM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: comex wrote: On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 8:46 PM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: Proposal 6761 (Purple, AI=2.0, Interest=None) by coppro Admitted. It's listed correctly at the top

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 6763-6765

2010-08-01 Thread Ed Murphy
Yally wrote: On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 13:51, Sean Hunt ride...@gmail.com mailto:ride...@gmail.com wrote: in case of a tie then the first of those players alphabetically Oh, I see how it is. You could always change your nickname to Adams...

DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ repeat

2010-07-31 Thread Ed Murphy
G. wrote: But these sort of CANNOTs have been overridden by proposals in the past without blinking an eye! When we install an officer by Proposal, or reset currencies or points directly, that's something we also generally CANNOT do, but we've taken it to work, even in a power-1 proposal...

DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJs 2821a,22a assigned to ais523, Wooble, Murphy

2010-07-31 Thread Ed Murphy
The difficulty in ALL win conditions, that 2186 specifies one set of conditions for calling something a win announcement, and that other rules say that it has to be a winning announcement with different (not additional) information (a win announcement that Proposal X has been adopted in

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: CFJS 2821-2822 Judgements

2010-07-29 Thread Ed Murphy
G. wrote: The problem now is (if we accept that it's circular to say that one or more people won in order to cause those one or more people to win) that: Rule 2215 (Truthiness) suggests (albeit weakly) that such bootstrapping is allowed.

DIS: Re: BUS: CFJS 2821-2822 Judgements

2010-07-29 Thread Ed Murphy
Yally wrote: I support and appeal this case. I'm interpreting this intent/support/appeal as reasonable shorthand for doing so for each of CFJs 2821 and 2822.

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald] Hear Ye, Hear Ye!

2010-07-27 Thread Ed Murphy
ais523 wrote: On Tue, 2010-07-27 at 08:22 -0600, Sean Hunt wrote: I doth herebye annonce that coppro do hath winneth the Game, that e be nowe awardede Champion, ande that heartofore e be Speaker of Agora! I find it very interesting that nobody's made the win announcement for the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Journey

2010-07-25 Thread Ed Murphy
Tiger wrote: I'm sorry about that, and I think I knew beforehand that I wouldn't be able to create something that big that stood up to Agora's standards of rigour. Still, it was adopted, and now I'm just unsure about whether to view the inevitable CFJs as hindering the gameplay, or as a

DIS: Re: BUS: Log

2010-07-25 Thread Ed Murphy
ais523 wrote: On Sun, 2010-07-25 at 18:44 -0500, Aaron Goldfein wrote: I press the Record the Captain's Log button. I intend, with 2 support, to initiate a mutiny. (Basically: if nobody succeeds in getting the support, then Yally gets a bonus, and wins if he manages it twice in a month. If

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: Re: BAK: IADoP assumption, elections

2010-07-24 Thread Ed Murphy
Wooble wrote: On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 7:16 PM, Aaron Goldfein aarongoldf...@gmail.com wrote: I initiate an election to decide the holder of the Ship Computer office. I assume the office of Ship Computor. I CFJ on: Yally is a candidate for Ship Computor. Arguments: This is another CFJ

DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 6751-6762

2010-07-24 Thread Ed Murphy
NUM C I AI SUBMITTER TITLE 6756 P None 1.0 coppro Ribbon Sweeper 6761 P None 2.0 coppro I Postulate an Assumption Per Rule 2153, these have a default interest index of 1.

DIS: Re: OFF: [Ship Computor] Space Alert

2010-07-22 Thread Ed Murphy
Yally wrote: There is no active journey. There are no objects In Space. There are no charges. There are no threat points. There is no difficulty. There is no shuttle. There are no missles. Rumors of missiles are treason. Report all rumors.

DIS: Re: BUS: Things

2010-07-17 Thread Ed Murphy
coppro wrote: Proposal: Waitaminute (AI=2, II=1, Distributable by fee) {{{ Award ais523 the Patent Title Scamster. }}} Not that e doesn't likely deserve it, but this should cite some notable examples of eir scams. Proposal: They're dumb (AI=1, II=1, Distributable by fee) {{{ Destroy all

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Herald] A series of unfortunately-formatted reports

2010-07-17 Thread Ed Murphy
ais523 wrote: On Sat, 2010-07-17 at 00:21 -0600, Sean Hunt wrote: LEFT IN A HUFF Waggie, Gecko, Kelly (x3!), Swann, KoJen, Zefram, Vlad, Andre, G., BobTHJ, P1-P100 Warrigal* I CFJ on the statement P1 has a

DIS: Re: BUS: Judgements

2010-07-16 Thread Ed Murphy
ais523 wrote: I opine REMAND on CFJ 2809a; everyone, including the original judge, seems to want more detail in the judgement. You need to specify with/without prejudice.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2811 judged TRUE by Yally

2010-07-15 Thread Ed Murphy
ais523 wrote: On Wed, 2010-07-14 at 23:37 -0600, Sean Hunt wrote: On 07/14/2010 11:07 PM, Ed Murphy wrote: Detail: http://zenith.homelinux.net/cotc/viewcase.php?cfj=2811 === CFJ 2811 (Interest Index = 0) Warrigal is a Player

Re: DIS: jumbled thoughts

2010-07-15 Thread Ed Murphy
Yally wrote: Perhaps we should have a contest. Each player can submit a new player's guide. Thereafter, Agora votes on which guide is the best and that player is awarded a win. Then we can combine the best parts of each guide to create one truly excellent guide. Fragment: Q. What do I do

Re: DIS: jumbled thoughts

2010-07-15 Thread Ed Murphy
G. wrote: It was Murphy that wrote a good FAQ I think a while back? Be nice to see that up-front. In particular, perhaps a re-organization/update of the agoranomic.org front page with such a FAQ front and center? Here's the last version. Obviously it needs some updating, as well as

DIS: Re: [CotC] CFJ 2809 judged TRUE by Murphy

2010-07-05 Thread Ed Murphy
I wrote: The context of proposal awarding a win to one or more persons comes from Rule 2188 (Win by Proposal), where it is most naturally interpreted as proposal that, if it took effect, would thereby award a win to one or more persons. Proposal 6745 is such a proposal; in particular, in

DIS: Re: BUS: [CotC] 2805a overtime

2010-07-01 Thread Ed Murphy
Yally wrote: I opine REMAND as the Justicar's Opinion. I lean. The opinion was ineffective because with/without prejudice was not specified.

DIS: Space bugs

2010-07-01 Thread Ed Murphy
No CFJs yet, but some problems with Space Alert: 1) Only objects In Space should be warped and disappear due to invalid position. 2) The Shuttle shouldn't always exist, it should be created at the start of a journey after all objects In Space are destroyed. 3) The Reload buttons

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2808 assigned to Wooble

2010-07-01 Thread Ed Murphy
coppro wrote: On 07/01/2010 09:10 PM, Ed Murphy wrote: [Yally's favoring can't be honored at this time because e is sitting, not standing.] I thought e was leaning? E was for a few days, but e sat immediately before favoring this case.

Re: DIS: Proto: Teams

2010-06-26 Thread Ed Murphy
Yally wrote: 1. What if a team has only two players? One player could just remove the other player who could do nothing about it as there would be nobody else to provide a second objection. It requires em to move the other player to another team, which can also block it with 2 objections.

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: The Assumption of Mary

2010-06-26 Thread Ed Murphy
ehird wrote: On 26 June 2010 21:12, Elliott Hird penguinoftheg...@gmail.com wrote: I assume the office of Mary; and prior to doing so, Godot registers. Godot is me, as of before the previous line. As of this line, however, Godot is not me. Godot must therefore be waited for. And a

DIS: Re: BUS: Teams proposal

2010-06-26 Thread Ed Murphy
ais523 wrote: A Team is a sort of entity defined by the rules; creation and destruction of Teams is secured. Each Teams have a name, which if not Each Team has a name If there is ever simultaneously one or more empty Teams, and one or more Independent players, then the any player CAN by

Re: DIS: Proto: Teams

2010-06-22 Thread Ed Murphy
comex wrote: On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 3:59 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: twist to avoid that. Maybe the metaphor can be the Federation of International Federated Associations with leagues, trades, captains, etc. The Association of Federated Organizations? I was just about

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2805 judged TRUE by coppro

2010-06-20 Thread Ed Murphy
ais523 wrote: On Sun, 2010-06-13 at 15:54 -0700, Ed Murphy wrote: Judge coppro's Arguments: Tiger's message clearly and unambiguously specifying that he was submitting a fragment with the following text, immediately followed by three lines of text. Per Rules 217 and 478, he did submit

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [IADoP] Registrar Election Resolution

2010-06-17 Thread Ed Murphy
coppro wrote: On 06/13/2010 05:07 PM, Ed Murphy wrote: coppro wrote: I hereby resolve the election for Registrar; votes were as follows: Murphy E Wooble = Wooble Wooble = Wooble Wooble wins with 2 votes to whatever and remains Registrar. CoE: Either it failed quorum or the voting

DIS: Re: BUS: deregistration intents

2010-06-11 Thread Ed Murphy
Wooble wrote: I intend, without objection, to deregister each of the following players: ehird Ienpew III Phoenix Sgeo Taral I object to deregistering Taral.

DIS: Re: BUS: Fragment

2010-06-11 Thread Ed Murphy
ais523 wrote: (By the way, do we actually have a rule that allows actions to fail due to ambiguity?) Rule 478: Where the rules define an action that CAN be performed by announcement, a person performs that action by unambiguously and clearly specifying the action...

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Clarify inconsequentiality mk. 2

2010-06-06 Thread Ed Murphy
comex wrote: (1) A difference in spelling, grammar, capitalization, or dialect, or the use of a synonym or abbreviation in place of a word or phrase is inconsequential in all forms of communication, except for the the purpose of reporting on or

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Clarify inconsequentiality mk. 2

2010-06-06 Thread Ed Murphy
comex wrote: On Sun, Jun 6, 2010 at 5:00 PM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: comex wrote: (1) A difference in spelling, grammar, capitalization, or dialect, or the use of a synonym or abbreviation in place of a word or phrase is inconsequential in all forms

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