Re: DIS: Agora XX: 13th and final report

2013-06-30 Thread Malcolm Ryan
Yes, I should be available at that time. Blob On 01/07/2013, at 12:02 AM, Charles Walker wrote: On 30 June 2013 14:48, Steven Gardner steven.gard...@monash.edu wrote: For my part, 9pm local time (1100 UTC), after the kids are in bed, is when I'm more likely to have time to chat. But

Re: DIS: Agora XX: 13th and final report

2013-06-30 Thread Malcolm Ryan
I'd say the coalition had its seeds in my first message to Steve, passing on the Agora XX invitation. Our first question was how are we going to win this? I'd like to echo my thanks to all involved. Good times. Malcolm On 01/07/2013, at 3:14 AM, Fool wrote: I've hosted and played in

Re: DIS: Re: Boo!

2013-06-28 Thread Malcolm Ryan
Ørjan, hello! Blob On 29/06/2013, at 12:50 AM, Chuck Carroll games...@chuckcarroll.org wrote: Hi! -Original Message- From: agora-discussion [mailto:agora-discussion-boun...@agoranomic.org] On Behalf Of Ørjan Johansen Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 9:58 AM To: Agora Discussion List

Re: DIS: Agora XX: 11th report

2013-06-28 Thread Malcolm Ryan
If I am to be hoisted, it will be *with* my petard, not by it. For ’tis the sport to have the engineer Hoist with his own petard: -- Hamlet Act III, Scene IV Blob (exploding pedant) On 29/06/2013, at 10:18 AM, Fool fool1...@gmail.com wrote: On 28/06/2013 7:43 PM, Steven Gardner wrote:

Re: DIS: Agora XX: 11th report

2013-06-27 Thread Malcolm Ryan
I call for judgement on the following statement. Blob does not have to forfeit under rule 345. Reasoning: Rule 345 says If a player proposes a rule change that is not adopted... I made proposal 346 BEFORE this rule came into effect. Rule 108 forbids retroactive application. Blob On

Re: DIS: Agora XX: 11th report

2013-06-27 Thread Malcolm Ryan
I call for judgment on the following statement: At the 12:16am GMT on June 28 2013, Blob had not forfeited. Reasoning: The rules make it clear that forfeiting is a voluntary player action. Rule 345 says a player must forfeit. It does not say that they are deemed to have forfeited. Blob On

Re: DIS: Agora XX: 11th report

2013-06-27 Thread Malcolm Ryan
Oh, Goethe has already CFJ'ed this. Oops. Blob (on the lam) On 28/06/2013, at 10:19 AM, Malcolm Ryan wrote: I call for judgment on the following statement: At the 12:16am GMT on June 28 2013, Blob had not forfeited. Reasoning: The rules make it clear that forfeiting is a voluntary player

Re: DIS: Agora XX: 11th report

2013-06-27 Thread Malcolm Ryan
Aand we return to the old Platonic vs Pragmatic debate. Blob (staying low) On 28/06/2013, at 11:06 AM, Fool wrote: On 27/06/2013 8:55 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: Of course, this raises the age old question of whether, if e does an illegal thing, whether it actually fails (since we haven't

Re: DIS: Agora XX: 11th report

2013-06-27 Thread Malcolm Ryan
Jun 2013, Malcolm Ryan wrote: Aand we return to the old Platonic vs Pragmatic debate. that has plagued Agora for a looong time... Oh, and remind me next year to come up with a Drinking Game for observers. 1. Drink if platonic versus pragmatic comes up. 2. Drink if there's

Re: DIS: Agora XX: Stop dicking with 311

2013-06-26 Thread Malcolm Ryan
Ah nuts. M On 26/06/2013, at 6:59 PM, Charles Walker wrote: On 26 Jun 2013, at 04:57, Malcolm Ryan malco...@cse.unsw.edu.au wrote: I propose that a rule be enacted reading: Any player who proposes to amend, renumber or repeal rule 311 is deemed to have forfeited the game. I vote

Re: DIS: Agora XX: Proposal

2013-06-26 Thread Malcolm Ryan
I vote FOR. M On 25/06/2013, at 12:11 AM, Steven Gardner wrote: I vote for this Proposal. On 25 June 2013 00:10, Steven Gardner steven.gard...@monash.edu wrote: I submit the following proposal: Enact a new Rule which reads: Within 24 hours of this Rule being enacted, the Speaker

DIS: Agora Degree

2013-06-26 Thread Malcolm Ryan
By the way, while I'm here I've been meaning to come back to Agora sometime to get my Doctor of Nomic. Do you still have degrees? What do I have to do to be awarded one? Malcolm

Re: DIS: Agora Degree

2013-06-26 Thread Malcolm Ryan
design and run the games lab at my university, and my Agora experience was actually a great stepping stone to my current position. I'd love to include an Agoran degree on my resumé. Malcolm On 26/06/2013, at 8:20 PM, Alex Smith wrote: On Wed, 2013-06-26 at 20:13 +1000, Malcolm Ryan wrote

Re: DIS: Agora XX: Proposal 344-346

2013-06-26 Thread Malcolm Ryan
I used the word forfeit because it is already used in rule 113. Blob On 26/06/2013, at 11:20 PM, Michael Norrish wrote: I vote AGAINST 345 and 346 (what does forfeit mean, and does it prevent reregistration?) I vote FOR 344. Michael On 26/06/13 10:00 PM, Fool wrote: Here I'll just

Re: DIS: Count me in

2013-06-25 Thread Malcolm Ryan
I'm late to the party, but better late than never. I register for Agora XX. Malcolm (aka Blob)

Re: DIS: Agora XX: Proposal

2013-06-25 Thread Malcolm Ryan
I disagree. There is no such thing as a proposal only a proposed rule change. I put it that this is a shorthand way of making 38 proposed rule changes. Malcolm On 23/06/2013, at 12:17 AM, Fool wrote: On 22/06/2013 9:45 AM, Elliott Hird wrote: I propose that all rules be transmuted to

Re: DIS: Agora XX: proposals 342-343

2013-06-25 Thread Malcolm Ryan
I vote FOR both of these. M On 26/06/2013, at 10:56 AM, Fool wrote: Here I'll just number and repeat the two new proposals. Voting closes in 24 hours. Voting on 331-341 closes in about 11 hours. -Dan 342 (Chuck): I propose that rule 311 be amended by changing the text which reads “the

DIS: Agora XX: proposal

2013-06-25 Thread Malcolm Ryan
Let's make this interesting. I propose that a rule be enacted reading: If a player proposes a rule change which is not adopted at the end of its voting period, that player must immediately forfeit the game. M

Re: DIS: Agora XX: proposal

2013-06-25 Thread Malcolm Ryan
Naturally, I vote FOR this. On 26/06/2013, at 1:33 PM, Malcolm Ryan wrote: Let's make this interesting. I propose that a rule be enacted reading: If a player proposes a rule change which is not adopted at the end of its voting period, that player must immediately forfeit the game. M

DIS: Agora XX: Stop dicking with 311

2013-06-25 Thread Malcolm Ryan
I propose that a rule be enacted reading: Any player who proposes to amend, renumber or repeal rule 311 is deemed to have forfeited the game. I vote FOR this. M

Re: DIS: Agora XX: proposal

2013-06-25 Thread Malcolm Ryan
You youngsters got no guts. In my day we played fer KEEPS. M On 26/06/2013, at 1:37 PM, Aaron Goldfein wrote: On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 8:33 PM, Malcolm Ryan malco...@cse.unsw.edu.au wrote: Let's make this interesting. I propose that a rule be enacted reading: If a player proposes