Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Vital History Gone Missing!

> On Sep 27, 2017, at 6:05 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus > wrote: > > I do include a list of people deregistered by Writ of FAGE in the Monthly > report because it does not say Registrar's report_s_, I interpreted this to > fulfill the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: My first proposal!

> On Sep 27, 2017, at 9:45 AM, ATMunn . wrote: > > I did end up changing the "may" to "MAY.” MAY means “you won’t get a card for doing this.” You wanted CAN by announcement (“attempts to do this this way will work”). This is a recurrent bug. I can think of at least

Re: DIS: PROTO: Saving moiney with nested proposals

> On Sep 27, 2017, at 4:55 AM, VJ Rada wrote: > > Author: VJ > Title: A million proposals for the price of one. > AI: 3 probably. > Text: > Create and pend the following proposal > {{Author: VJ Rada > Title: Repeal All Cards > AI: 3 > Text: Repeal all rules listed at the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Prime Minister] Using Certiorari for Good! Also, judgement of CFJ 3110!

On Sep 27, 2017, at 7:02 AM, VJ Rada wrote: > Sorry yeah, my plan was p much to get people to call CFJs on my > frivolous win attempt thinking they were safe and then tricking them > by revealing this was invalid and I still had certiorari. On Sep 27, 2017, at 10:24 AM,

DIS: Re: BUS: Vital History Gone Missing!

> On Sep 26, 2017, at 10:17 PM, Alexis Hunt wrote: > > I register. Welcome back, your Excellency. -o signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP

DIS: [Proto] Reposting

In light of our newer players’ issues with the groups, and my own, it might be nice to allow players to repost obviously-misposted messages on others’ behalves. I recognize that this is a risk-laden idea, though, so I wanted to float it here first: * Any player CAN repost a message to the

DIS: Re: BUS: My first proposal!

> On Sep 26, 2017, at 9:34 PM, ATMunn . wrote: > > I create the following proposal: Some initial feedback: this is fantastic as a first proposal goes. You’ve nailed the mechanical elements, it looks like, and taken advantage of existing systems where appropriate.

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Guaranteed Stampage

> On Sep 26, 2017, at 6:46 PM, Nic Evans wrote: > > I submit the following proposal. > > title: Guaranteed Stampage > ai: 1 > author: nichdel > co-authors: > > Amend 2499 "Welcome Packages" to read in full: > >If a player has not received one since e most recently

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Secretary] Weekly Report

> On Sep 26, 2017, at 6:28 PM, Trigon wrote: > > I'd love to contribute to the economic stabilization; however, being a > shiniless scrub, I cannot. I extend thanks to everyone who is involved in > this effort. As it happens, there are now enough Shinies in Agora’s

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Secretary] Weekly Report

Try this on a public forum. However, the spirit of your generosity is very much appreciated. -o > On Sep 26, 2017, at 6:11 PM, ATMunn . wrote: > > I currently have 51 shinies. > I give Agora 17 shinies. > > [I really have nothing better to do with them anyways, so I

Re: [Fwd: Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Clearing up the game state]

> On Sep 26, 2017, at 4:35 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus > wrote: > > One of the goals with my banking system si using loans to help more people > get money to do things. That was part of the reason for my general positivity about it, as well,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Secretary] Weekly Report

> On Sep 26, 2017, at 11:25 AM, Josh T wrote: > > I haven't been credited with it, so I assumed it has failed, since my 1 stamp > is from August. > > 天火狐 I have two records for this: 2017-08-23 ! 天火狐 created a stamp 2017-09-08 ! 天火狐 created a stamp However, you

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 7899-7904

> On Sep 26, 2017, at 9:35 AM, ATMunn . wrote: > > ? > Why did this get sent to discussion? > I didn't intend that. agora-business, agora-official, and agora-discussion all modify messages to set Reply-To to agora-discussion, causing the “reply” function of your

DIS: Re: BUS: Actions and Reportor Solicitations

> On Sep 26, 2017, at 9:46 AM, Josh T wrote: > > I buy a stamp for 1 sh. by transferring that amount to Agora. You also already created a Stamp this month. -o signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Secretary] Weekly Report

> On Sep 26, 2017, at 6:46 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus > wrote: > > I purchase a stamp for 1 shiny. You last created a Stamp on Sept. 4th, which is within the same Agoran Month as this attempt. I _think_ this was ineffective: > Once per

Re: DIS: Economy and Games

I had with nichdel at the time: On 06/13/17 23:39, Owen Jacobson wrote: > So, in short, these actions get less expensive as Agora runs out of money? > Interesting. The incentives aren’t totally clear to me - which is probably a > good thing. On Jun 14, 2017, at 1:38 AM, Nic Evans <nich...@gm

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 7899-7904

NttPF. -o > On Sep 25, 2017, at 3:42 AM, Gaelan Steele wrote: > > >> On Sep 24, 2017, at 4:53 PM, Aris Merchant >> wrote: >> >> I hereby distribute each listed proposal, initiating the Agoran >> Decision of whether to adopt it, and

Re: DIS: Economy and Games

> On Sep 23, 2017, at 4:26 PM, Kerim Aydin <ke...@u.washington.edu> wrote: > > > > On Sat, 23 Sep 2017, Owen Jacobson wrote: >> As for the gerontocracy argument: Money is an inherently gerontocratic >> system. >> It abstracts value from labor in a way th

Re: DIS: Shinies and Stamps Omnibus Fix Thread

>> With that in mind, here are the things I believe need to happen: >> >> 1. The proposals fixing the stamps, welcome package, and floating value >> rules need to pass. If there are any lingering bugs you’re aware of that >> would perpetuate our shiny problems, please share them so that we can

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Secretary] Weekly Report

> On Sep 25, 2017, at 11:50 PM, Kerim Aydin <ke...@u.washington.edu> wrote: > > > > On Mon, 25 Sep 2017, Owen Jacobson wrote: >> * The reward for authoring or pending a successful proposal pended with >> shinies is 1 sh. > > Ok, so as much as I unders

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Secretary] Weekly Report (revision 2)

> On Sep 26, 2017, at 12:10 AM, Alex Smith <ais...@alumni.bham.ac.uk> wrote: > > On Mon, 2017-09-25 at 23:59 -0400, Owen Jacobson wrote: >> As Secretary, I destroy the organization “Agoran Betting Market”, as >> its Income is below the Income Floor of 50. >> &g

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Fixing Fingers

> On Sep 25, 2017, at 11:49 PM, VJ Rada wrote: > > I create and pend with 1 shiny the following Aris, your reward package is ready for pickup. -o signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP

DIS: Re: BUS: Reward

On Sep 24, 2017, at 10:41 PM, Aris Merchant wrote: > I claim a reward of 5 shinies for publishing the Promotor report. > > -Aris This was, unfortunately, ineffective: Agora’s balance at this point was 4 shinies. Nobody’s spent any shinies since then,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Such is karma

> On Sep 25, 2017, at 10:37 PM, Josh T wrote: > > @o: Where were you when G. asked about terminology? Busy with non-Agora things. The lateness of the hour is why I’m still voting FOR the proposal, even though I find that element objectionable: I’d rather not drag

DIS: Re: BUS: Such is karma

On Sep 24, 2017, at 4:12 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: >- Any player with a karma of 7 or greater is a Samurai. >- Any player with a karma of -7 or less is an Eta. I am _deeply_ uncomfortable with this terminology. As recently as the mid-19th century,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Registering

> On Sep 24, 2017, at 1:36 AM, Owen Jacobson <o...@grimoire.ca> wrote: > > On Sep 23, 2017, at 3:04 AM, VJ Rada <vijar...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Oh yeah, I'm late on my ADoP report. By notifying you here it makes it >> probably illegal to list that you believ

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] Metareport

Rule 2143, penultimate paragraph. With tongue firmly in cheek, -o > On Sep 23, 2017, at 9:46 PM, VJ Rada wrote: > > Quazie's tables were worse, so I assumed it didn't matter. I can make > more of an effort next week. > > On Sun, Sep 24, 2017 at 11:44 AM, Ørjan Johansen

Re: DIS: Economy and Games

> On Sep 23, 2017, at 9:33 PM, Kerim Aydin <ke...@u.washington.edu> wrote: > > > > On Sat, 23 Sep 2017, Owen Jacobson wrote: >>> On Sep 23, 2017, at 8:01 PM, VJ Rada <vijar...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> You can dereg and reset within

Re: DIS: Economy and Games

> On Sep 23, 2017, at 8:01 PM, VJ Rada wrote: > > You can dereg and reset within a day, always. Right now, it doesn’t even take that long. If it’s been 30 days since your last deregistration, an unsporting “I register. I claim a welcome package.” appears to cause Agora to

Re: DIS: Economy and Games

On Sep 23, 2017, at 7:09 PM, Josh T wrote: > I have an idea for making goods which is bouncing around in my mind, but I > haven't the time to sit down and write it out. It'd also be my first > proposal, so I'm a bit apprehensive at throwing it out into the wild

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: A CFJ on Pledges

> On Sep 23, 2017, at 5:56 PM, Jack Henahan wrote: > > > My reading of the rules also suggests that a pledge without a defined > completion state may be considered broken by design, and therefore could > be argued to be invalid. > > To use the example which I presume prompted

DIS: Card limits

The penalty card limits set out in rules 2478 (“Vigilante Justice”) and 2479 (“Official Justice”) appear to be designed to prevent two problems: * abuses of finger-pointing, such as pointing one’s finger at every player, or repeatedly pointing one’s finger at someone long past the point where

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Frivolous but harmless scam attempt of the week

> On Sep 23, 2017, at 5:06 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > If you paste the basic 我反对。 string into Google translate, it auto-detects > Chinese > and spits out "I Object." It's pretty much as clear a translation as you can > get > if you're going to allow that sort of

Re: DIS: Various questions

> On Sep 23, 2017, at 4:26 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus > wrote: > > The history section of the monthly report seems to have been left in extreme > disrepair. When I took it, I was told it would be find to leave it behind, > but I wanted to

Re: DIS: Various questions

> On Sep 23, 2017, at 4:22 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus > wrote: > > The catching up since that last holders is the hardest part, when I took over > the office of Registrar, I had to go back at least five years, updating > records. The

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Registering

On Sep 23, 2017, at 3:46 PM, Kerim Aydin <ke...@u.washington.edu> wrote: > On Fri, 22 Sep 2017, Owen Jacobson wrote: >> On Sep 22, 2017, at 10:45 AM, Kerim Aydin <ke...@u.washington.edu> wrote: >> >> I suspect that welcome packages are considerably

Re: DIS: Proto: Mother, May I? fix

On Sep 23, 2017, at 11:05 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > Title: You SHALL, unless it is ILLEGAL. > Power: 2 > Author: PSS > Text: { > Append to the end of Item 7 in "Mother, May I?", by removing the period and > inserting the following

Re: DIS: Various questions

On Sep 23, 2017, at 10:47 AM, Nic Evans wrote: > Assessor, Arbitor, Rulekeepor, Tailor, and Secretary are generally held by > more experienced players because they're complex and important. Objection! I took over Secretary very, very early in my tenure, as Murphy had gone

Re: DIS: Various questions

number of shinies needed to pend a proposal) goes up, fewer proposals are pended. When it goes down - and the lowest we’ve seen it is 1 sh. - people write and pend more proposals. The message linked above has, I believe, the most proposals distributed in a single distribution in the last year or

Re: DIS: [Proto] Aggregates (Contracts, by another means)

> On Sep 23, 2017, at 5:10 AM, Alex Smith <ais...@alumni.bham.ac.uk> wrote: > > On Sat, 2017-09-23 at 00:54 -0400, Owen Jacobson wrote: >> The idea is that someone seeking to create a contract can instead >> create a pledge, and then (in the same message, proba

Re: DIS: [Proto] Aggregates (Contracts, by another means)

> On Sep 23, 2017, at 12:54 AM, Owen Jacobson <o...@grimoire.ca> wrote: > > * An Aggregate is an asset. > > * A player may create eir own Aggregate by announcement, listing a set of > assets e owns as constituents. > > * A player who owns an Aggregate

DIS: [Proto] Aggregates (Contracts, by another means)

* An Aggregate is an asset. * A player may create eir own Aggregate by announcement, listing a set of assets e owns as constituents. * A player who owns an Aggregate may destroy it by announcement. (This is automatic if an Aggregate is “an Asset” but it might be worth calling out given the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Registering

> On Sep 22, 2017, at 11:45 PM, Nic Evans wrote: > As for the gerontocracy argument: Money is an inherently gerontocratic > system. It abstracts value from labor in a way that allows arbitrary > allocation. > I'm about 95% sure this is the gist of my partner’s argument when

Re: DIS: Proto: Banking and Bonds (v2)

I normally try to avoid this, because it’s an invitation to line-by-line wrangling, but I have some fairly specific feedback on wording. Before I get into it, some comments on the overall structure: It’s good. In particular, I appreciate the possibility of multiple banks, though I suspect

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] Resolving Elections: Correctly this time!

> On Sep 22, 2017, at 9:13 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus > wrote: > > We could also just make all assets ownable by persons or make all assets go > at reregistration to Agora, but then they may be reclaimed upon registration, > in quantities

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Registering

> On Sep 22, 2017, at 10:44 PM, Cuddle Beam wrote: > > memes aside, I think that we're young enough in this current system that I > don't mind there being player-wide taxing or rebalancing or something until > we settle on something stable. > > HOWEVER, a way to look at

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Registering

> On Sep 22, 2017, at 10:35 PM, Cuddle Beam wrote: > > >but would you consider supporting one that shrinks welcome packages? > > http://www.hearthcards.net/cards/9b7efdf4.png Alt text: a Hearthstone card with the legend “Gerontocracy Warning”, containing an image of a

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Atm

I’ve accounted for it as one, on the premise that “insert” is a fairly obvious synonym for “give” in this context, and that there’s exactly one thing that can both own shinies and receive trust tokens that the noun “ATM” could reasonably refer to. Want to CFJ it? I don’t, but I’ll provide

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Registering

On Sep 22, 2017, at 10:45 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > given that it's so far mostly been the new player award that trips the big > drop in Agora balance, automatic right-sizing of the economy to the number > of players seems important an stability fix (maybe something to

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Make Your Home Shine

c. On 09/22/17 19:46, Owen Jacobson wrote: >To "call in" a pledge" is to destroy it. A player can call in >any pledge with Agoran Consent, if e announces a reason the >Terms of the pledge should be considered broken. Support for an >in

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3559 assigned to o

> On Sep 21, 2017, at 11:23 AM, Cuddle Beam wrote: > > I could write an Agency with that same thing + output, for example, something > like: > > ---*--- > Any agent may take 1 shiny from Cuddlebeam and the following clause has no > effect. > > Any agent may take 2

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Make Your Home Shine

> On Sep 22, 2017, at 9:09 PM, Alex Smith <ais...@alumni.bham.ac.uk> wrote: > > On Fri, 2017-09-22 at 20:46 -0400, Owen Jacobson wrote: >> I noticed a significant mechanical defect and a style defect after I >> pended it, so I withdraw the proposal “Make You

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] Resolving Elections: Correctly this time!

> On Sep 21, 2017, at 10:24 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > It occurs to me that (thinking back over a couple years), several registration > errors have been ratified, and given that this kicks people out of the game, > it's a fairly big error that can lead to anger.

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] Resolving Elections: Correctly this time!

> On Sep 21, 2017, at 9:33 AM, grok (caleb vines) wrote: > > On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 2:45 AM, VJ Rada wrote: >> Registrar >> This result has changed. Nichdel had three first-preference votes, but >> PSS had six and remains registrar. This

Re: DIS: New player, just registered

> On Sep 22, 2017, at 7:14 PM, Jonathan Rouillard > <jonathan.rouill...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 11:35 AM Owen Jacobson <o...@grimoire.ca > <mailto:o...@grimoire.ca>> wrote: > > * Find the most unlikely interpretations of the rule

Re: DIS: Test

> On Sep 22, 2017, at 4:34 AM, Alex Smith wrote: > > Possibly the first time one of these /isn't/ a timing scam? > > It's possible my email problems have been resolved, at least with > respect to sending. If this message gets through, presumably others > will too. I

Re: DIS: New player, just registered

On Sep 21, 2017, at 9:35 AM, ATMunn . wrote: > Hey! I'm ATMunn. > I discovered Agora a little while back, and just decided it sounded > interesting, so I joined. > > I've seen some of the messages that have been so far, and honestly I have no > idea what's going on,

DIS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] Resolving Election: o. is the agronomist!

> On Sep 20, 2017, at 9:03 PM, VJ Rada wrote: > > I resolve the Agoran decision for the determination of the Agronomist. > Again, the quorum was 2.0 and the valid options were the players. I look forward to serving. A brief reminder: the Agronomy rules are nonfunctional

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3559 assigned to o

On Sep 20, 2017, at 2:38 AM, Owen Jacobson <o...@grimoire.ca> wrote: > Without addressing the question of whether a proposal can have direct effects > on other proposals without enacting a rule change (a complicated question > under rule 2140), it seems clear that a proposal c

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 3552 Judged FALSE by o

> On Sep 20, 2017, at 4:31 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > You just solved my problem o!! > > I had a line: >mail("ke...@u.washington.edu", $subject, $CFJ_text, $headers); > > but the problem was that, $headers was being stored as an array, not a > string, so it

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 3552 Judged FALSE by o

On Sep 20, 2017, at 10:49 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > 3. Use the PHP mail utility to format and mail the case. THIS IS WHERE IT > ALL BREAKS. > Every PHP (and server CLI) mailing tool to mail a text file from the server > loses > the Unicode and mails in ASCII. I've

Re: [Referee] Green Card for Nichdel (was Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Anti-Treasuror Omnipotence)

> On Sep 20, 2017, at 4:32 AM, VJ Rada wrote: > > The rule is basically > 1: Give a card > 2: "if e believes that no rules violation occurred or that it would be > ILLEGAL to issue a Card for it, announcing the Finger Pointing to be > Shenanigans." > > You have to do 1 but

Re: DIS: test

> On Sep 18, 2017, at 9:13 PM, Gaelan Steele wrote: > > This worries me. Is there something in the SLR that is incorrect? Given that > your scam doesn’t work, I see little harm in you sharing. > > Gaelan The “Estate Auctions” rule is missing a paragraph, I believe. -o

Re: DIS: Is CFJ 3550 relevant? (attn. o)

> On Sep 19, 2017, at 12:06 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > H. Secretary o, > > You called CFJ 3550, but after it was assigned a judge you attempted > to retract it (retraction failed as it had a judge). Is a judgement > still needed/relevant? If so, I'll reassign

Re: DIS: Re: Anti-Treasuror Omnipotence

> On Sep 15, 2017, at 3:48 PM, Cuddle Beam wrote: > > "Omnipotence" is a bit much as a word lol, but yeah, the Treasuror (o) would > have control over Agora's Shiny Balance and whatnot. > > On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 9:46 PM, Cuddle Beam

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Make Your Home Shine

> On Sep 16, 2017, at 1:54 AM, Ørjan Johansen <oer...@nvg.ntnu.no> wrote: > > On Thu, 14 Sep 2017, Owen Jacobson wrote: > >> Amend rule 2450 ("Pledges") to read, in full: >> >> { >> Pledges are an indestructible fixed asset. Ow

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 3552 Judged FALSE by o

On Sep 19, 2017, at 12:39 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > On Tue, 19 Sep 2017, VJ Rada wrote: >> Lots of ?s that should be 's > > Oh, $##!@$#!@. I spent a lot of time replacing smart quotes in lots of > peoples' judgements and missed those (that was like 75% of the editing >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Make Your Home Shine

> On Sep 15, 2017, at 12:10 AM, Josh T wrote: > > Here's two more: > https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/2017-May/034600.html > (the one quoted directly in the link, and the one quoted by that message) > > 天火狐 Thanks. A brief

DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3559 assigned to o

> On Sep 14, 2017, at 9:31 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > This was previously assigned to o, but copy/paste messup gave it the wrong > subject line. This is to make sure there's a clear subject line with the > assignment. > > On Thu, 14 Sep 2017, Kerim Aydin wrote: >

DIS: Re: BUS: Attempt to resolve ambiguity

> On Sep 14, 2017, at 10:40 PM, Alex Smith wrote: > > (Not everyone is receiving my messages sent via this emergency backup method. > Could someone quote this email in a message of their own so that everyone can > see it?) > > I become an option in the current

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Make Your Home Shine

> On Sep 14, 2017, at 9:55 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > Read line 1 of the pledge. If part of the pledge is saying I CAN revoke it > (including a method), > I can do so as part of keeping the pledge, I assume. It’s not at all clear how that works, or even if it

Re: DIS: [Proto] IRV formalization

> On Sep 14, 2017, at 9:36 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > An endorsement is a type of conditional. Does formalizing the "endorse" mean > other types of conditionals are forbidden? are they allowed outside the list > but not inside? > > For example, would "I vote for

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Prime Minister] Speaker & Card

> On Sep 14, 2017, at 9:19 PM, VJ Rada wrote: > > Also the slip you gave was judged illegal by cfj! I had forgotten about that, but you’re right! However, I never received a card for it. If I were to deregister now, would I become a fugitive? -o signature.asc

DIS: [Proto] IRV formalization

Create a new rule, “Instant Run-Off Voting”, with power ??? and the following text: When the voting method for an Agoran Decision is instant run-off, then, for that decision, a valid ballot consists of exactly one of the following: * PRESENT. * ENDORSE and the name of a person. * A list of

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Prime Minister] Speaker & Card

> On Sep 14, 2017, at 5:52 AM, VJ Rada wrote: > > No, the words used are "abusing the office for personal gain". Quite > clearly corruption stuff, taking bribes or just being unfair. I believe the only pink slip ever issued under anything in the current generation of

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Prime Minister] Speaker & Card

> On Sep 13, 2017, at 6:00 PM, Quazie wrote: > > he Oi. -o signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP

Re: DIS: [Draft] Make Your Home Shine, or, Contracts On The Cheap

> On Sep 13, 2017, at 5:20 PM, Ørjan Johansen <oer...@nvg.ntnu.no> wrote: > > On Wed, 13 Sep 2017, Owen Jacobson wrote: > >> Title: Make Your Home Shine >> Author: o >> Co-authors: CuddleBeam >> AI: 1.7 >> >> For the purposes of

DIS: Re: BUS: 200 word apology

Thank you for thoroughly and honestly addressing the situation. > On Sep 14, 2017, at 8:12 PM, VJ Rada wrote: > > I'm sorry for taking the ADoP position instead of giving it to o, > given nobody actually voted for me except the one vote I bought and > I'm sure e would have

Re: DIS: No Telepathy v2

> On Sep 13, 2017, at 2:19 AM, Aris Merchant > wrote: > > Agora would stop existing. It would therfore have no state. Arguably > though, if we made a meta-descision to recreate it, it would start > existing again. The Paradox of Self-Amendment has some stuff

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] You thought there was a lot of elections last time. Initiating 8 (!) elections.

> On Sep 14, 2017, at 4:11 PM, grok (caleb vines) wrote: > > On Sep 13, 2017 6:22 PM, "VJ Rada" > wrote: > Please note the already ongoing election for agronomist. > > I initiate the elections for and the agoran decisions

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] You thought there was a lot of elections last time. Initiating 8 (!) elections.

> On Sep 14, 2017, at 2:45 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > Superintendent, Surveyor: > { > PRESENT, > Incumbent of that office if e votes for emself first on eir list of options, > the first person (in time) to vote for emself first (on eir list of options) > }. > >

DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ 3557 judged FALSE

> On Sep 13, 2017, at 7:55 PM, Aris Merchant > wrote: > > Judge's Arguments for CFJ 3557: > > This case boils down an interpretation of the application of Rule 2152 > ("Mother, May I?") to Rule 2497 ("Floating Value"). The full text of both > rules is in

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] Metareport

> On Sep 13, 2017, at 7:53 PM, VJ Rada wrote: > > I claim the reward for this. From recently-enacted proposal 7845: > Amend R2496 "Rewards" by, at the end of the first paragraph, adding: > > When a player claims a reward, e SHALL list the number of shinies e > receives,

DIS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] You thought there was a lot of elections last time. Initiating 8 (!) elections.

> On Sep 13, 2017, at 7:22 PM, VJ Rada wrote: > > Please note the already ongoing election for agronomist. > > I initiate the elections for and the agoran decisions for the > determination of the Arbitor, the Superintendent, the Tailor, the > Promotor, the Referee, the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Solvency

> On Sep 14, 2017, at 6:17 PM, Aris Merchant > <thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Thu, Sep 14, 2017 at 3:00 PM, Owen Jacobson <o...@grimoire.ca> wrote: >> As promised. >> >> -o >> >>> On Sep 13, 2017, at 2:28 PM, Nic

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Guaranteed Stamp Income

> Enact a Power 1 rule titled "Basic Stamp Income" with the following > text: > >When the Secretary publishes the first Weekly Report of an Agoran >Month, e CAN and SHALL, by announcement, create Stamps with Agora as >the Creater and transfer them to any player who has no stamps and >

Re: DIS: I found a serious mistake, again. Read the rules, folks.

> On Sep 14, 2017, at 7:03 AM, VJ Rada wrote: > > "When a decision about whether to adopt a proposal is resolved, if the > outcome is ADOPTED, then the proposal in question is adopted, and > unless other rules prevent it from taking effect, its power is set to > the minimum

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Solvency

I'll do a more thorough response when I'm off work, but please don't pend this as is. It's a good idea and I want it to function when it passes. Have a look at my explanation of the problems with "increasing" and "decreasing" balances in response to Shiny Weather. -o > On Sep 13, 2017, at

Re: DIS: Shinies and Stamps Omnibus Fix Thread

> On Sep 13, 2017, at 2:17 AM, Aris Merchant > <thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 8:24 PM, Owen Jacobson <o...@grimoire.ca> wrote: > >> Having slept on this a bit, and understanding the ratification process a bit

Re: DIS: No Telepathy v2

> On Sep 13, 2017, at 2:21 AM, VJ Rada wrote: > > any proposal doing that would get failed bc of ossifying agora though right? That proposal could repeal that rule. -o signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP

Re: DIS: No Telepathy v2

, 2017 at 8:55 PM, Cuddle Beam <cuddleb...@gmail.com> wrote: >> Proto: >> >> Title: Spring Cleaning >> >> Content: Remove all Historic Instruments [replace that with a proper >> definition for cleanup] that are older than 1 year old. >&g

DIS: [Draft] Make Your Home Shine, or, Contracts On The Cheap

Title: Make Your Home Shine Author: o Co-authors: CuddleBeam AI: 1.7 For the purposes of clarity, no existing pledge is intended to carry over into this system, and this proposal does not imply the creation of any assets corresponding to existing pledges. Amend rule 1.7 to read, in full:

Re: DIS: [Draft] Make Your Home Shine, or, Contracts On The Cheap

> On Sep 13, 2017, at 12:15 AM, Owen Jacobson <o...@grimoire.ca> wrote: > > Title: Make Your Home Shine > Author: o > Co-authors: CuddleBeam > AI: 1.7 > > For the purposes of clarity, no existing pledge is intended to carry over > into this system, and this pro

Re: DIS: Proto: Banking and Bonds

> On Sep 12, 2017, at 3:53 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus > wrote: > > Two versions of this proposal are offered. The first is the form to be > submitted and the second is a git diff. > { > Replace in the rule “Assets”, the line: > “restricted to

Re: DIS: No Telepathy v2

> On Sep 12, 2017, at 1:26 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > This whole conversation rung a memory bell for me, something Old (12+ years > old) that might be > still in effect! > > There was a Proposal, that read something like the following: > > Be it Hereby

Re: DIS: No Telepathy v2

> On Sep 12, 2017, at 12:51 PM, Quazie wrote: > > So if I make a private agreement with someone, it's officially unreasonable > to ding them for any failures to fulfill unless we expose the contract > publicly This is consistent with real-world contract law, wherein

Re: DIS: No Telepathy v2

> On Sep 12, 2017, at 11:59 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > Well that's one way to forbid punishing anyone for lies or bad intent, if > nothing > else. > > This is pretty much already what we play by though, in that it can be argued > "if it's not in the PF, it's

Re: DIS: [very early proto/idea] Inter-Nomic Currency

> On Sep 12, 2017, at 10:06 AM, Gaelan Steele wrote: > > I have a clause in there about imported Subers being traceable back to a > Suber Creation Event. Presumably, this is something we’d do by proposal to > authorize another nomic’s minting of new Subers. In other words,

Re: DIS: Shinies and Stamps Omnibus Fix Thread

An update on this project: > Some basic principles: > > 1. The actions undertaken so far were undertaken in broadly good faith with > respect to the transactional nature of the current economic rules, and > performed with the mistaken understanding that several key rules made actions >

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Come What May

> On Sep 12, 2017, at 11:04 PM, Cuddle Beam wrote: > > I vote by endorsing myself. You know that that’s equivalent to PRESENT, right? This isn’t a particularly difficult application of r. 2127. > If a vote on an Agoran decision is submitted conditionally (e.g. "FOR if

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