Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal

2012-04-01 Thread omd
Here's a vague proposal: There are N named tokens, which grant both +2 voting limit and additional ruble income (to add a bit of permanence); every so often, tokens are returned to the LFD and auctioned off for rubles.

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of Proposals 7191-7200

2012-03-30 Thread omd
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 10:54 AM, FKA441344 441...@gmail.com wrote: 7193 3   omd         I think these turned out to be too much work I spend a ruble to double my voting limit on this and vote AGAINST it. 7196 3   scshunt     Truisms I spend a ruble to double my voting limit on this and vote

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal

2012-03-30 Thread omd
On Sat, Mar 31, 2012 at 12:04 AM, Sean Hunt scsh...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca wrote: Thought: Do not allow on arbitrary slave golems. Create a new class of vote-eligible golems with more restricted creation rules. Meh. I don't want to force people to create Golems with game mechanics that require

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of Proposals 7191-7200

2012-03-29 Thread omd
On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 11:36 AM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: omd wrote: 7196 3   scshunt     Truisms AGAINST 7198 1   scshunt     Xenophobia AGAINST I think maybe you something out here. I didn't, see my followup message.

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of Proposals 7191-7200

2012-03-29 Thread omd
On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 1:16 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: Proposal, Untitled, AI-3 please: !#//c!#//c!#//c!#//c!#//c!#//c!#//c!#//c!#//c!#//c!#//c!#//c!#//c!#//c Wash your mouth out this instant!

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: i am an interchangeable part

2012-03-25 Thread omd
On Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 11:44 PM, Mister Snuggles mr.snu...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 12:13 AM, omd c.ome...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 11:04 PM, John Smith spamba...@yahoo.com wrote: CfJ, inquiry: The Executor of the message quoted in the evidence cannot

Re: DIS: recursion works here?

2012-03-23 Thread omd
Or: The basis of a Golem is the basis of its owner; if this would result in circularity, it has an empty basis and is Emancipated. A non-Emancipated Golem with an empty basis is in Storage.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Short Logical Ruleset

2012-03-22 Thread omd
On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 6:15 PM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: omd wrote: On Mar 22, 2012, at 3:34 PM, omdc.ome...@gmail.com  wrote: THE SHORT LOGICAL RULESET CoE: The implicit list of Notable cases here is incorrect because I haven't yet added annotations for the recent batch

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: Distribution of Proposals 7191-7200

2012-03-22 Thread omd
NttPF

DIS: Re: BUS: i am an interchangeable part

2012-03-22 Thread omd
On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 11:04 PM, John Smith spamba...@yahoo.com wrote: CfJ, inquiry: The Executor of the message quoted in the evidence cannot be determined with reasonable effort except by judicial declaration Gratuitous: IRRELEVANT, as Mister Snuggles has never attempted to support any

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 3190 assigned to scshunt

2012-03-20 Thread omd
On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 12:35 PM, Sean Hunt scsh...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca wrote: NOT GUILTY. The caller has provided no evidence that omd emself violated Rule 2170, but rather, that the golem formerly known as Mr. Incredible did. (Maybe we should bring back the pre-trial period.)

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: i am an interchangeable part

2012-03-14 Thread omd
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 7:49 AM, Elliott Hird penguinoftheg...@googlemail.com wrote: On 14 March 2012 13:16, FSX flameshadowxeros...@gmail.com wrote: I am not Mister Snuggles. You and everybody else. Posting it to a-b might give it more weight in the form of the illegality of lying, though.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 3176 judged UNDETERMINED by omd

2012-03-14 Thread omd
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 8:30 AM, Aaron Goldfein aarongoldf...@gmail.com wrote: The actual judgement on the case is not what I'm getting at here, as it is rather trivial. The purpose of this appeal is to challenge the process of judges discharging their duties and deliberately assigning

DIS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] Census

2012-03-13 Thread omd
On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 2:36 PM, FKA441344 441...@gmail.com wrote: v Golem-1             c/o FKA441344                  04 Mar 12   05 Mar 12 v Golem-2             c/o FKA441344                  04 Mar 12   05 Mar 12 ... v Golem-50            c/o FKA441344                  04 Mar 12   05 Mar

DIS: Re: BUS: i am an interchangeable part

2012-03-13 Thread omd
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 10:27 AM, Mister Snuggles mr.snu...@gmail.com wrote: i am not a player. i register. cfj arguments: to agora, all nonplayers are interchangeable. mister snuggles Huh, and I always thought it was G.. This message appears to have been sent from Gmail (also, the DKIM

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 3176 judged UNDETERMINED by omd

2012-03-12 Thread omd
On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 10:43 PM, Aaron Goldfein aarongoldf...@gmail.com wrote: I intend, with two support, to appeal this case. I request a with prejudice ruling as Judge omd inappropriately discharged eir duties in this case. Gratuitous: The lack of arguments aside, without any evidence

DIS: Re: BUS: Registration

2012-03-11 Thread omd
On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 7:22 PM, Elliott Hird penguinoftheg...@googlemail.com wrote: I register. -- bayes 2012-03-21 02:22:50 + This is a good idea.

DIS: Re: BUS: hmm

2012-03-11 Thread omd
On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 9:52 PM, Sean Hunt scsh...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca wrote: Proposal: Truisms (AI=3) {{{ Enact a new 3-power rule entitled The Cold Hard Truth reading Every rule has an exception. }}} AGAINST, Rule 104 does not have an exception.

DIS: Re: BUS: Judgement, CFJ 3169

2012-03-10 Thread omd
On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 11:10 PM, Alex Smith ais...@bham.ac.uk wrote: I judge CFJ 3169 TRUE. By the way, I add as supporting evidence that implicitly caused it to explicitly has been game custom since CFJ 2101. (Although, as usually happens when I read my past judgements, the writing comes off

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Golemkeepor] Golem Census

2012-03-04 Thread omd
On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 8:03 PM, FKA441344 441...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 2:33 AM, Elliott Hird penguinoftheg...@googlemail.com wrote: On 28 February 2012 00:01, FKA441344 441...@gmail.com wrote: Fri 17 Feb 03:33  Mr. Incredible changes eir name to '. I cause'. Fri 17 Feb

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 3151 assigned to G.

2012-02-26 Thread omd
On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 11:31 AM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: The first multiple-statement CFJ that I remember is CFJ 1266, which was dismissed due to a different but similar rule. Obligatory digging: CFJ 6 most likely counts (http://zenith.homelinux.net/cotc/stare_detail/06.txt).

DIS: Re: BUS: (no subject)

2012-02-23 Thread omd
On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 6:24 PM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: I cash the promise titled {Anyone Can Mislead The Leader}. Note to H. Promotor omd:  if this was effective (I don't remember anyone causing the President to taunt the police), then it caused FKA441344 to submit two

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Golemkeepor] Golem Census

2012-02-18 Thread omd
On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 3:05 PM, Aaron Goldfein aarongoldf...@gmail.com wrote: CFJ: The Registrar's Report includes within its list of all players a list of all Golems. Why wouldn't it?

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposals 7164 and 7166 - 7173

2012-02-16 Thread omd
On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 12:43 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: I CFJ (linked) on:     (1) The Prisoner is a player.     Arguments:  E never explicitly consented (R101iii).     (2) The Prisoner's R101(vii) rights have been violated.     Arguments:  If e is a player, eir ability

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposals 7164 and 7166 - 7173

2012-02-16 Thread omd
On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 1:58 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: [It's often bothered me that R101 could be gotten around by redefining person (for example via R2150). This is only a problem now that Rule 2150 is Power 3...

DIS: Re: BUS: Here goes nothing

2012-02-16 Thread omd
On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 10:04 PM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: Gratuitous:  The first method being limited to the announcer is an inherent part of it, and similarly without-objection is an inherent part of the second.  Past exceptions to this common-sense approach have depended on

DIS: Re: BUS: The Village, take two

2012-02-16 Thread omd
On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 10:09 PM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: I create a Slave Golem named Number Two. I announce that I will never cause Number Two to deregister. I cause Number Two to announce that e wants to deregister. I announce that I want to deregister. ...But my R101

DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposals 7144 - 7153

2012-02-02 Thread omd
On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 2:59 AM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: Proposal 7144 (AI=1.7) by Murphy Extraterritorial jurisdiction Amend Rule 1504 (Criminal Cases) by inserting this text immediately before the bullet point for EXILE: Amendment fails due to insufficient power. Ruleset

DIS: Re: BUS: Fret, ye police

2012-02-01 Thread omd
On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 12:12 PM, FSX flameshadowxeros...@gmail.com wrote: CFJ: I committed the Class-1 Crime of Naughtiness. ehirs committed the Class-14 Crime of Naughtiness. If you want a criminal case, you need to specify the rule number. (maybe this initiated one or two inquiry cases?)

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [IADoP] Elections

2012-01-30 Thread omd
On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 6:07 PM, ais523 callforjudgem...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: TTttPF And I went to all the trouble of writing                               To: deliberately nttpf agora-discussion@agoranomic.org and someone /still/ calls me on it…? TTttPF != NttPF.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [IADoP] Elections

2012-01-30 Thread omd
On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 6:26 PM, ais523 callforjudgem...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: On Mon, 2012-01-30 at 18:23 -0500, omd wrote: TTttPF != NttPF. Wait, is it even possible to TTttPF someone else's message? I vaguely recall that this has been tried before, but I'm too lazy to look it up.

DIS: Re: BUS: This will definitely work

2012-01-30 Thread omd
On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 10:12 PM, Tanner Swett swe...@mail.gvsu.edu wrote: With Agoran Consent, I intend to register the OmNom Constitution. (I intend to, later on, have the ONC state, I support and do so, then call a CFJ on its playerhood.) —Machiavelli Okay, honestly, that action is

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: I call 441,334 CFJs

2012-01-29 Thread omd
On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 6:20 PM, Tanner Swett swe...@mail.gvsu.edu wrote: —Machiavelli

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: I call 441,334 CFJs

2012-01-29 Thread omd
On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 8:53 PM, Tanner Swett swe...@mail.gvsu.edu wrote: On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 8:35 PM, omd c.ome...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 6:20 PM, Tanner Swett swe...@mail.gvsu.edu wrote: —Machiavelli ...Did I spell it wrong? —Machiavelli No, but it has been

DIS: Re: BUS: (no subject)

2012-01-23 Thread omd
On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 5:28 PM, 441344 441...@gmail.com wrote: I initiate a criminal case naming omd as the Accused, failing to publish the Promotor's report during the week Mon. 16 - Sun. 22 and distribute the proposals currently in the proposal pool that were in there at the beginning

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 3146 assigned to Pavitra

2012-01-14 Thread omd
On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 5:02 PM, 441344 441...@gmail.com wrote: I retract case 3147. I retract case 3149. You can't retract 3147 as it has already had a judge assigned to it.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 3145 assigned to ais523

2012-01-14 Thread omd
On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 9:37 PM, ais523 callforjudgem...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: a is true IFF b is true, as a hypothetical, can be invalidated by anything that's a hypothetical b but not an a, no matter how unlikely, surely? There's no rule that says judgements should ignore the possibility of

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (no subject)

2012-01-13 Thread omd
On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 11:52 AM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: At first I thought putting on the revision number means it breaks if another proposal changes the revision number in the meantime but then I thought is it even possible to amend a specific revision number of a rule? so

DIS: Re: BUS: (no subject)

2012-01-12 Thread omd
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 8:31 PM, 441344 441...@gmail.com wrote: I submit a proposal with title {fix to 1023/28} and text {Amend Rule 1023/28 by replacing the text {Agoran weeks begin at midnight UTC on Monday.} with {Agoran weeks begin when Mondays begin.} and replacing the text {Agoran months

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of Proposals 7144-7153

2012-01-10 Thread omd
On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 11:19 PM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: 7145 2   omd                  A controversial proposal AGAINST (I think you meant unambiguous there at the end?) The intent expressed in such a message is necessarily ambiguous, but required to be unambiguous.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: A protective proposal

2012-01-09 Thread omd
On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 3:16 PM, FSX flameshadowxeros...@gmail.com wrote: Though I don't see any evidence of that, it stands that I don't have the power to make a 3.9... power rule. I'd need at least 3. The relevant clauses: (2) A term explicitly defined by the Rules, along with its

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: A protective proposal

2012-01-09 Thread omd
On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 10:44 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: That sure wasn't clear to me.  While I'm assuming mathematical symbols count as terms in R754, the ellipsis could be confused with two dots and a period, or a typo, so I'm guessing it's not clear enough for R105. -G.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: I think we found a time paradox

2011-12-21 Thread omd
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 4:39 PM, ais523 callforjudgem...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Yes. I don't want to give too much more information, though. Maybe this is one of those cases where first there's a CFJ on a simple statement - the judge selects whichever interpretation looks most reasonable at first

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: I think we found a time paradox

2011-12-21 Thread omd
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 6:43 PM, omd c.ome...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 4:39 PM, ais523 callforjudgem...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Yes. I don't want to give too much more information, though. Maybe (On second thought, I guess e's going to submit a Victory Announcement after

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 3136 assigned to Pavitra

2011-12-14 Thread omd
, because this standard only applies in a relatively narrow range of cases. There are a great many situations where the text of the rules clearly allows some form of deliciously horrible scammy brokenness But when all else fails, choose the non-perverse reading. I cash the Promise (2011-04-24 omd

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: This doesn't do anything useful, but it's sure nifty that it's possible

2011-12-12 Thread omd
On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 1:00 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: Such as The President.  Also, there was a scam a while back to assign positive power to a first-class player (I think G.); did that go through, and if so, did we reverse it? Yes, I had the

DIS: Re: BUS: It's been well over a week now

2011-12-11 Thread omd
On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 11:26 PM, Alex Smith ais...@bham.ac.uk wrote: CFJ: If and when the Victory Announcement in the same message that created this CFJ self-ratifies, if the rules regarding victory have not changed since, then ais523 will Win the Game. Gratuitous: won via the same events is

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: anyway

2011-12-09 Thread omd
On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 6:14 PM, Pavitra celestialcognit...@gmail.com wrote: I disfavor this case. NttPF.

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 3127 assigned to scshunt

2011-12-05 Thread omd
On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 9:28 PM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote:      * EXCLUSION, appropriate for rule breaches by a non-player.  When        a judgement of EXCLUSION has been in effect continuously for        one week, the ninny CANNOT register for one month after that        time.

DIS: Re: BUS: I'm probably going to get away with this.

2011-11-19 Thread omd
On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 11:14 AM, John Smith spamba...@yahoo.com wrote: I would also point out that, in the unlikely event that I am found GUILTY, great care would need to be taken to select an appropriate sentence, because a sentence of APOLOGY (usually for crimes of class 4), FINE (I have

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 7136-7143

2011-11-14 Thread omd
On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 7:39 AM, Tanner Swett swe...@mail.gvsu.edu wrote: perform a sequence of events is ungrammatical, I don't see how. Are you saying that it's not the sequence that is performed, but the events within it? You can't perform an event, only an action. and the rule arguably

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 3122 assigned to ais523

2011-11-13 Thread omd
On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 4:42 PM, Sean Hunt scsh...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca wrote: Amend Rule 2338 (Cashing Promises) by replacing MUST with must. Why not just make the action INEFFECTIVE if there is insufficient context? I think lowercase must is fine (in fact, it's used elsewhere in the same

DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 7136-7143

2011-11-13 Thread omd
On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 10:45 AM, Sean Hunt scsh...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca wrote: 7137 3.0 omd.        okay, this has gotten silly 7138 1.0 omd.        Whereto Paradox? 7139 1.7 omd.        This is still an issue CoE: My nickname is omd.

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: E won, once

2011-11-13 Thread omd
On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 10:39 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: As the above announcement has just self-ratified, omd has just Won the Game. I award omd Champion (High Score). Thanks!

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: I don't get it

2011-11-07 Thread omd
On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 8:44 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: Considered it's only to be used when there's something buggy which would probably be fixed when caught, a good compromise is to add a sentence to another officer (Registrar?) Perhaps just remove the requirement that

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: On the Mister Snuggles cases

2011-11-06 Thread omd
On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 8:28 AM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: I announce my intent to deputize for the cotc to recuse yally from cfjs 3105 and 3106, and to assign those cfjs to myself (G.) thus limiting ambiguity to date-of-assignment.  Or Murphy can do this first of course; won't

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: On the Mister Snuggles cases

2011-11-04 Thread omd
On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 8:03 AM, Mister Snuggles mr.snu...@gmail.com wrote: i intend to deputise for the cotc to take each of the following actions: * rotate the bench. * recuse yally from cfj 3105. * assign cfj 3105 to g. * assign cfj 3105 to omd. * assign cfj 3105 to pavitra. * recuse

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Re: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposal 7135

2011-10-31 Thread omd
On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 6:22 PM, Tanner Swett swe...@mail.gvsu.edu wrote: On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 7:29 PM, omd c.ome...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 1:53 AM, Sean Hunt scsh...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca wrote: NUM  AI  AUTHOR      TITLE 7135 1.7 G.          Fixing Victory v2.02

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 3114 assigned to woggle

2011-10-24 Thread omd
On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 10:46 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: Arguments: 1.  Once the promise is in someone else's hands, G. generally can't prevent the breach from occurring (see R1504(e)). 2.  This promise contained an illegal action when the promise was created.  The judge is

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Opinion, CFJ 3110

2011-10-24 Thread omd
On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 5:45 PM, Pavitra celestialcognit...@gmail.com wrote: On 10/24/2011 07:27 PM, omd wrote: Proposal: No shame in trying (AI=1.7) Amend Rule 2343 (Victory Cases) by replacing SHAME with NO GLORY. AGAINST. I like victory having flavorful language. Maybe SHAME should

DIS: Re: BUS: Was planning to fix anyway...

2011-10-23 Thread omd
On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 1:15 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote:      As soon as possible after a Victory Announcement ratifies, or      a judgement confirming the veracity of a victory announcement      has been in effect and unappealed for one week, and provided      the person(s)

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJs 3109, 3111 assigned to omd

2011-10-23 Thread omd
On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 4:04 PM, John Smith spamba...@yahoo.com wrote: I suggest that a Player file a Motion to Reconsider CfJ 3109.  Among other objections, the judgment is inconsistent with the judge's arguments.  All information necessary to render a judgment of TRUE or FALSE is public,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJs 3109, 3111 assigned to omd

2011-10-23 Thread omd
On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 4:44 PM, Pavitra celestialcognit...@gmail.com wrote: Mr. Smith, the statement is nonsensical because referring to the Victory Condition of Being Bucky, without quotes, implies that there is such an entity that is a Victory Condition. A question that presupposes a

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJs 3109, 3111 assigned to omd

2011-10-23 Thread omd
On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 4:58 PM, Pavitra celestialcognit...@gmail.com wrote: 1. There is no Victory Condition of Being Bucky. 2. For all X, X is not the Victory Condition of Being Bucky. 3. For all X, it is not the case that both X is the Victory Condition of Being Bucky and Mr. Smith has

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 3109 reconsideration requested by Pavitra, omd, G. (still assigned to omd)

2011-10-23 Thread omd
On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 7:49 PM, Pavitra celestialcognit...@gmail.com wrote: The point of a CfJ is to _resolve controversy_. You could give that argument for any question about which people disagree. This is not an interesting controversy, because the ambiguity lies entirely in the statement.

DIS: Re: BUS: my first post

2011-10-22 Thread omd
On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 8:15 PM, Amar Chendra amarchandra.ga...@gmail.com wrote: when we have to compare two entities we have to define one thing first. .AmarChandra okay

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: egaf

2011-10-06 Thread omd
On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 3:38 AM, Arkady English arkadyenglish+ag...@gmail.com wrote: I submit the following proposal to the ruleskeepor: In order to demonstrate their committment to justice, all standing judges are required to wear a sword at all times. Any player required to wear a sword

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 3086 judged FALSE by woggle

2011-09-13 Thread omd
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 8:16 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: If there were a rule that stated Woggle CANNOT legally post messages on eir own behalf; only the passage a proposal containing eir message CAN do so wouldn't you feel that your right to participate was being infringed

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposals 7119 - 7124

2011-09-10 Thread omd
On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 11:09 AM, Sean Hunt scsh...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca wrote: On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 13:05, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: omd                2A Quorum        7     7     7     7     7     7 Voters        6     7     6     6     6     6 hahahaha is it time for me

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: For quorum reasons

2011-08-26 Thread omd
On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 5:13 PM, Pavitra celestialcognit...@gmail.com wrote: On 08/26/2011 07:03 PM, Alex Smith wrote: I vote PRESENT on every proposal I can, unless someone persuades me that that's a bad idea. I read this as a conditional vote dependent on a condition that cannot easily be

Re: DIS: Coming clean?

2011-08-25 Thread omd
On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 4:54 PM, Benjamin Schultz ben.dov.schu...@gmail.com wrote: omd, how did I get on your lists?  I'm not even a current player. The lists are based on Murphy's CotC database, and include all the old CFJs in that database. :)

DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ: effectiveness of mislabelled proposals

2011-08-25 Thread omd
On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 8:05 AM, Geoffrey Spear geoffsp...@gmail.com wrote: I CFJ on: {{Proposal 7117 amended Rule 2349.}} Arguments: In the purported distribution of proposal 7117, as well as in the message purporting to resolve the Agoran Decision to adopt it, it was listed as having an

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposals 7111 - 7118

2011-08-23 Thread omd
On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 12:36 PM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: Purported distributions don't self-ratify.  Purported resolutions do (R2034), including (for decisions on proposals) the implicit claim that the proposal exists. The rule which would invalidate it for missing essential

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposals 7111 - 7118

2011-08-23 Thread omd
On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 6:26 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: The rule which would invalidate it for missing essential parameters is R107, which includes the lack is correctly identified within one week clause. Hm, not exactly.  For a Decision to be initiated by R107, both: (1)

DIS: Coming clean?

2011-08-22 Thread omd
for me not paying the fine However, I did pay: 1906: 1 Note Therefore, I have paid 1 out of 6 fines during my time as a player, although 5 out of 6 were all imposed in the last two months. Other statistics: I have by far the record for criminal cases initiated against me: omd 50

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposals 7111 - 7118

2011-08-22 Thread omd
On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 3:31 PM, Geoffrey Spear geoffsp...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 2:27 PM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: *7111  1.0  Tanner L.   Points for the Big Guy *7115  1.0  Tanner L.   Relax / Stroke Hell CoE: not that either of these would have any effect

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposals 7111 - 7118

2011-08-20 Thread omd
Promotor omd. IIRC the precedent that proposals can be implicitly created this way was invalidated by a subsequent rule change.

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposals 7111 - 7118

2011-08-20 Thread omd
On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 9:25 PM, omd c.ome...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 6:42 PM, Tanner Swett swe...@mail.gvsu.edu wrote: Also, if I'm not mistaken, Proposals 7111 and 7115 do exist and were distributed; the Deputy Promotor implicitly submitted them by distributing them. So. CoE

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Second try on the long-term ambassador proposal

2011-08-18 Thread omd
On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 10:32 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: Honestly a lot of this/almost all of this is up to the other Nomic. Not necessarily. In Tiger's BlogNomic post: I now wish to leave the game, but use this account to re-enter the game with my current screen name,

DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 3086 assigned to omd

2011-08-14 Thread omd
On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 1:47 PM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: Detail: http://zenith.homelinux.net/cotc/viewcase.php?cfj=3086 ==  CFJ 3086  ==    Agora's right to participate in the fora is substantially    limited.

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 3085 assigned to Murphy

2011-08-08 Thread omd
On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 5:33 PM, ais523 callforjudgem...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Well, we already notified Hillary Clinton of a criminal CFJ against her (and she's been used as the standard example of a nonplayer ever since). There was even a response, although I think it was autogenerated.

DIS: Re: BUS: If e can't speak for emself...

2011-08-08 Thread omd
On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 9:40 PM, John Smith spamba...@yahoo.com wrote: Evidence: (from Rule 2351) The game of Agora, but not any player of it, can make arbitrary changes to the gamestate. Agora is a player according to the most recent Census. Arguments: The rule quote in the Evidence is

Re: DIS: any winning or contests?

2011-08-08 Thread omd
On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 10:51 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: Am I right when I say no one has actually won the game recently, not even Walker?  Or did I miss a successful victory case or two? Or is the dumb system completely broken. I satisfied Accumulation on July 12, but I

Re: DIS: Server outage

2011-08-02 Thread omd
On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 11:53 PM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: - assign static rather than dynamic ip addresses The router acts like it allows this, then ignores it. Just be rude and have the server use a static IP rather than DHCP.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Protect Assets

2011-08-01 Thread omd
On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 2:20 PM, Charles Reiss woggl...@gmail.com wrote: If any modification to the Asset rules would be effective at changing the properties of Promises, then clearly that gives a escalation scam at Power 2. The way it's supposed to work now is a compromise: a power-2 scam

Re: DIS: Proto: Payment

2011-07-31 Thread omd
On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 7:00 PM, Charles Reiss woggl...@gmail.com wrote: Background: Currently, one can pay two FINE and a Spending Action with the same Points. This is pretty similar to my proposal General Costs, which failed due to a bug. This reminds me to submit a fixed version, hope you

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: SHALL NOT violate a promise

2011-07-30 Thread omd
On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 9:55 PM, Pavitra celestialcognit...@gmail.com wrote: y It seems like the obvious place to avert that would be while drafting the bank charter. What cap would you suggest? I feel that anything lower than 6 would block legitimate applications, but that anything higher

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: further muddying the waters

2011-07-29 Thread omd
On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 3:21 PM, Geoffrey Spear geoffsp...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 3:12 PM, Charles Walker charles.w.wal...@gmail.com wrote: You can get the SLR and the FLR at agora.qoid.us The ones at http://www.nomictools.com/agora/rules/ are actually up to date, but

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 3068 assigned to omd

2011-07-26 Thread omd
On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 7:39 PM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: On Sun, Jul 24, 2011 at 10:28 PM, Sean Hunt scsh...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca wrote: Then I do so without resolving the intent. n.b. without resolving the intent is meaningless No it isn't, it clearly means I do so by

DIS: Re: BUS: Various

2011-07-25 Thread omd
On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 5:07 PM, omd c.ome...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 4:50 PM, Sean Hunt scsh...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca wrote: I initiate a criminal case accusing omd of violating Rule 1504 (Criminal Cases) by failing to destroy the 13 Points e was FINED in CFJ 3054 within

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 3068 assigned to omd

2011-07-24 Thread omd
On Sun, Jul 24, 2011 at 10:28 PM, Sean Hunt scsh...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca wrote: Then I do so without resolving the intent. n.b. without resolving the intent is meaningless

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Surely this has been tried before, but I can't see a reason for it not to work.

2011-07-23 Thread omd
On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 1:55 PM, Eric Stucky turiski.no...@gmail.com wrote: Someone who is sleeping may not be a person, but they have certainly been both a person and a first-class person at some point, so there's nothing wrong with loosening the requirements to:      A player who is not a

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: [CotC] CFJ 3038 (if it exists) judged TRUE, 3039 judged FALSE by Yally (not Walker)

2011-07-23 Thread omd
On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 4:13 PM, ais523 callforjudgem...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: On Sat, 2011-07-23 at 13:06 -0700, Ed Murphy wrote: CoE, accepted:  CFJs 3038 (if it exists) and 3039 were judged by Yally, not Walker.  (The body was correct, the subject was wrong.) CoE: That isn't a CoE because

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Lullz

2011-07-20 Thread omd
On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 4:26 AM, Arkady English arkadyenglish+ag...@gmail.com wrote: Is there a game-mechanical difference between support and weakly support? Or does this simply indicate that omd may be willing to change eir mind? It was meant as the latter (actually, I intended to support

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of Proposals 7094-7101

2011-07-09 Thread omd
On Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 6:14 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: On Fri, 8 Jul 2011, Pavitra wrote: On 07/08/2011 10:18 PM, omd wrote: *arguably Agora would cease to be a person in the interval between the adoption of a proposal and the publication of an updated ruleset

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposals 7081 - 7083

2011-07-07 Thread omd
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 3:59 PM, Charles Walker charles.w.wal...@gmail.com wrote: Amend Rule 1607 (Distribution) by replacing the paragraph beginning The Promotor CAN distribute a proposal which... with:      Priority is an undistributed proposal switch with values of the      integers

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of Proposals 7084-7093

2011-07-06 Thread omd
On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 10:55 AM, Charles Walker charles.w.wal...@gmail.com wrote: On 4 July 2011 19:56, omd c.ome...@gmail.com wrote: Pool report: The Proposal Pool is empty. CoE: Not true. There's 18th Birthday Bash by scshunt, Like Me, Missing Its Birthday By A Few Days and Multinationality

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Full Logical Ruleset

2011-07-06 Thread omd
On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 11:25 AM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: R106 says that Proposals can and do make changes in general and provide a mechanism (just as the president can take actions in general by way of a different mechanism) Gratuitous: CFJ 2213 is highly relevant. I

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Full Logical Ruleset

2011-07-06 Thread omd
On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 2:39 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: Not a god, no.  An Instrument of the gods. but, as above, I think the implication is actions that the President CAN take. ...as an Instrument. Well, you said that CAN take actions counts as R105 permission to take

DIS: Re: OFF: [Delvor] auto-picks

2011-07-05 Thread omd
On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 12:00 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: Spelunking the Rules picks for Delve 2   82 selects Rule 2157/6 (Power=1.7).   57 selects Rule 2138/13 (Power=1).   35 selects Rule 2338/1 (Power=3). For reference (can you include titles next time?) these are:

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