DIS: Re: BUS: Red herrings and indigo ribbons

2019-02-13 Thread Cuddle Beam
Victory by apathy, by apathy, I guess lol. On Wed, 13 Feb 2019 at 15:54, D. Margaux wrote: > I thought for sure people would object and that I wouldn’t be able to > execute these intents without the aid of the contract scam... but somehow, > no one seems to have objected to these intents? > >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Red herrings and indigo ribbons

2019-02-11 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
Aaargh. Of course, it turns out that there are probably also very many other reasons why this fails, but that one is particularly grating. :P -twg ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Sunday, February 10, 2019 7:17 AM, Madeline wrote: > This fails because no intent was posted in a public

DIS: Re: BUS: Red herrings and indigo ribbons

2019-02-09 Thread Madeline
This fails because no intent was posted in a public forum. :) On 2019-02-10 00:30, Timon Walshe-Grey wrote: I act on behalf of Telnaior to retract eir objection to my intent to Declare Apathy; and I Declare Apathy, specifying the following set of players: {twg}.

DIS: Re: BUS: Red herrings and indigo ribbons

2019-02-09 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Sat, 9 Feb 2019, D. Margaux wrote: I think I have found a bug in twg’s execution of the scheme! I also see some bugs, although the rule 869 issue makes them pretty moot. For one thing, it was argued in previous discussion that supporting cannot be done on behalf as an accidental side

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Red herrings and indigo ribbons

2019-02-09 Thread Aris Merchant
This interpretation is correct. That provision would be rather meaningless if it didn't stop mousetraps, given that it is rather specifically designed to stop mousetraps. I will also cite CFJs 3587 & 3588, which mentioned that the provision has such an effect ("Additionally, Agora has codified

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Red herrings and indigo ribbons

2019-02-09 Thread Aris Merchant
Ahh. I somehow missed the prior discussion. Sorry about that. -Aris On Sat, Feb 9, 2019 at 3:10 PM Aris Merchant wrote: > > Y'all, y'all. *Shakes head.* Has anyone given Rule 869 a read lately? > It is read the ruleset week, so you might want to. Specifically, the > portion stating that "A

DIS: Re: BUS: Red herrings and indigo ribbons

2019-02-09 Thread Aris Merchant
Y'all, y'all. *Shakes head.* Has anyone given Rule 869 a read lately? It is read the ruleset week, so you might want to. Specifically, the portion stating that "A person, by registering, agrees to abide by the Rules. The Rules CANNOT otherwise bind a person to abide by any agreement without that

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Red herrings and indigo ribbons

2019-02-09 Thread ais...@alumni.bham.ac.uk
On Sat, 2019-02-09 at 11:09 -0500, D. Margaux wrote: > In my view, rule 1742 doesn’t pose a problem. A person by registering > gives willful consent to be bound by the rules, and the rules say > that parties to a contract can modify it by adding additional players > as parties. So by virtue of

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Red herrings and indigo ribbons

2019-02-09 Thread D. Margaux
> On Feb 9, 2019, at 11:09 AM, D. Margaux wrote: > > In my view, rule 1742 doesn’t pose a problem. A person by registering gives > willful consent to be bound by the rules, and the rules say that parties to a > contract can modify it by adding additional players as parties. So by virtue >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Red herrings and indigo ribbons

2019-02-09 Thread D. Margaux
In my view, rule 1742 doesn’t pose a problem. A person by registering gives willful consent to be bound by the rules, and the rules say that parties to a contract can modify it by adding additional players as parties. So by virtue of willfully consenting to be bound by the rules, a player also

DIS: Re: BUS: Red herrings and indigo ribbons

2019-02-09 Thread ais...@alumni.bham.ac.uk
On Sat, 2019-02-09 at 13:30 +, Timon Walshe-Grey wrote: > I then, as permitted by Rule 1742/20, modify the contract by changing > the set of parties to it to the set of all players. I suspect this fails. Rule 1742 (power 2.5) is outpowered by rule 869 (power 3): > The Rules CANNOT otherwise

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Red herrings and indigo ribbons

2019-02-09 Thread D. Margaux
> On Feb 9, 2019, at 9:13 AM, Timon Walshe-Grey wrote: > > Oh dear, I'm sorry. I did think your setup looked similar to mine but I > couldn't see why, if you were planning the same thing but your end goal > didn't rely on a dependent action, you wouldn't just activate it immediately. > I

DIS: Re: BUS: Red herrings and indigo ribbons

2019-02-09 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
Oh dear, I'm sorry. I did think your setup looked similar to mine but I couldn't see why, if you were planning the same thing but your end goal didn't rely on a dependent action, you wouldn't just activate it immediately. I guess if you were hoping to succeed via timing then that explains that.

DIS: Re: BUS: Red herrings and indigo ribbons

2019-02-09 Thread Cuddle Beam
It relies on “including by changing the set of parties”, yes? It’s not “ including changing the set of parties”, and I don’t know what the ‘by’ would do there, but that it’s there makes all of this a lot less clear to me. On Sat, 9 Feb 2019 at 14:43, D. Margaux wrote: > Crud. This is the same

DIS: Re: BUS: Red herrings and indigo ribbons

2019-02-09 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
On Saturday, February 9, 2019 1:30 PM, Timon Walshe-Grey wrote: > I act on behalf of Corona to support my intent to award myself the degree > Associate of Nomic; My apologies, I believe upon rereading that this one fails because Corona is my zombie. But I believe all the others still work; the