Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Let's toss us a coin, shall we?

2020-03-02 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 3/2/2020 2:25 PM, Tanner Swett wrote: > On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 11:34 Kerim Aydin wrote: > >> Well, we purposefully error-trapped switches, which suggests that we allow >> that sort of thing if the rules are explicit about it happening: >> > > But an indeterminate value is merely one that

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Let's toss us a coin, shall we?

2020-03-02 Thread Tanner Swett via agora-discussion
On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 11:34 Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > Well, we purposefully error-trapped switches, which suggests that we allow > that sort of thing if the rules are explicit about it happening: > But an indeterminate value is merely one that

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Let's toss us a coin, shall we?

2020-03-02 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Monday, March 2, 2020, Timon Walshe-Grey via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > G. wrote: > > Well, we purposefully error-trapped switches, which suggests that we > allow > > that sort of thing if the rules are explicit about it happening: > > > > > If a type of

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Let's toss us a coin, shall we?

2020-03-02 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey via agora-discussion
G. wrote: > Well, we purposefully error-trapped switches, which suggests that we allow > that sort of thing if the rules are explicit about it happening: > > > If a type of switch is not explicitly designated as > > possibly-indeterminate by the rule that defines it, and if an action > >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Let's toss us a coin, shall we?

2020-03-02 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey via agora-discussion
CuddleBeam wrote: > If I tell you "you can take a cupcake", that doesn't mean you can take > ALL the cookies. It means you can take one. > > And if I say "a cupcake is a pastry", that doesn't mean that only ONE > cupcake is a pastry. It means that all cupcakes are pastries. Sure, I'm with you

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Let's toss us a coin, shall we?

2020-03-02 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 3/2/2020 8:11 AM, Cuddle Beam via agora-discussion wrote: > On Monday, March 2, 2020, Tanner Swett via agora-discussion wrote: >> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 08:23 Cuddle Beam wrote: >> >>> But yeah, even if it is tradition, I'm not against just going contrary to >>> it since all we need to do that

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Let's toss us a coin, shall we?

2020-03-02 Thread Cuddle Beam via agora-discussion
I mean, I’m inclined to agree with G.’s interpretation there. It would do something, but it’s IMPOSSIBLE to determine the result, making the whole thing ambiguous. But anyways, the sword of “the majority” doesn’t really matter to me. My opinion is my own. On Monday, March 2, 2020, Tanner Swett

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Let's toss us a coin, shall we?

2020-03-02 Thread Tanner Swett via agora-discussion
On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 08:23 Cuddle Beam via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > But yeah, even if it is tradition, I'm not against just going contrary to > it since all we need to do that is enough people agreeing to do so, and I'd > agree to it (although, probably not

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Let's toss us a coin, shall we?

2020-03-02 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 3/2/2020 3:45 AM, Cuddle Beam wrote: > On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 12:39 PM Tanner Swett wrote: >> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 04:41 Cuddle Beam wrote: >> >>> I think this would cause: >>> - A big and spreading fog of war of CfJ DISMISS, because its >> "undecidable" >>> and "insufficient information

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Let's toss us a coin, shall we?

2020-03-02 Thread Cuddle Beam via agora-discussion
Ah, alright. I wasn't familiar with that. I've been here for so long and I still don't know that stuff lmao. But yeah, even if it is tradition, I'm not against just going contrary to it since all we need to do that is enough people agreeing to do so, and I'd agree to it (although, probably not

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Let's toss us a coin, shall we?

2020-03-02 Thread Tanner Swett via agora-discussion
On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 06:45 Cuddle Beam via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > My proposal would just create an ambiguity in the rules, and we never > judge DISMISS due to an ambiguity in the rules; we pick an interpretation > instead. > > Why is this? (Is it just

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Let's toss us a coin, shall we?

2020-03-02 Thread Cuddle Beam via agora-discussion
> My proposal would just create an ambiguity in the rules, and we never judge DISMISS due to an ambiguity in the rules; we pick an interpretation instead. Why is this? (Is it just culture? A CfJ-rule? A rule?) On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 12:39 PM Tanner Swett via agora-discussion <

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Let's toss us a coin, shall we?

2020-03-02 Thread Tanner Swett via agora-discussion
On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 04:41 Cuddle Beam via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > I think this would cause: > - A big and spreading fog of war of CfJ DISMISS, because its "undecidable" > and "insufficient information exists" to know what's going on with coins > My proposal

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Let's toss us a coin, shall we?

2020-03-02 Thread Cuddle Beam via agora-discussion
Yes but I believe there is a difference, it's the same word "a", but with different meaning. And what matters is the meaning of the word, not just the word used. You see, that's what matters, in this matter. Also, unrelated, liquids are a state of matter. If I tell you "you can take a cupcake",

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Let's toss us a coin, shall we?

2020-03-02 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey via agora-discussion
CuddleBeam wrote: > But "a player" is just one player, no? At least that's my understanding of it. Compare, for example: > A player whose master is not emself is a zombie (syn. inactive); > all other players are active. I don't think any reasonable interpretation of the rules would

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Let's toss us a coin, shall we?

2020-03-02 Thread Cuddle Beam via agora-discussion
But "a player" is just one player, no? At least that's my understanding of it. On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:50 AM Timon Walshe-Grey via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On Sunday, March 1, 2020 10:46 PM, Alexis Hunt via agora-discussion < >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Let's toss us a coin, shall we?

2020-03-02 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey via agora-discussion
On Sunday, March 1, 2020 10:46 PM, Alexis Hunt via agora-discussion wrote: > On Sun., Mar. 1, 2020, 17:05 Tanner Swett via agora-business, < > agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > > I submit a proposal with AI = 1, titled "Somebody gets a coin": > > { > > Enact a power-1 rule titled "A

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Let's toss us a coin, shall we?

2020-03-02 Thread Cuddle Beam via agora-discussion
...or - Some CfJ-rule already exists to let us ignore its effects. On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:41 AM Cuddle Beam wrote: > I think this would cause: > - A big and spreading fog of war of CfJ DISMISS, because its "undecidable" > and "insufficient information exists" to know what's going on with

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Let's toss us a coin, shall we?

2020-03-02 Thread Cuddle Beam via agora-discussion
I think this would cause: - A big and spreading fog of war of CfJ DISMISS, because its "undecidable" and "insufficient information exists" to know what's going on with coins - Or the Judge would make a new CfJ-rule that would allow us to ignore its effects altogether because it can't be