Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Election Intents

2019-06-22 Thread Reuben Staley
Or a proposal resolution, for that matter. On 6/22/19 9:32 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: On 6/21/2019 7:40 PM, Aris Merchant wrote: I refuse to use it to help in scams, even when people offer bribes. It's true - I've tried. Speaking of which, I'm hoping to see a proposal distribution this week -

Re: DIS: Proto: Deregulation, but less so

2019-06-22 Thread Jason Cobb
Looking at this again, if the Rules state that doing something is a crime (such as lying in a public message), then that arguably alters the Rules-defined "state" of whether or not they are guilty of a crime. Is this a valid reading, and is this intended? Jason Cobb On 6/22/19 1:50 AM, omd

Re: DIS: Proto: Deregulation, but less so

2019-06-22 Thread Jason Cobb
Clarification: performing the action arguably alters the Rules-defined "state"... Jason Cobb On 6/22/19 12:58 PM, Jason Cobb wrote: Looking at this again, if the Rules state that doing something is a crime (such as lying in a public message), then that arguably alters the Rules-defined

Re: DIS: Proto: Deregulation, but less so

2019-06-22 Thread Reuben Staley
I have to agree with Aris here. It doesn't create any rule conflicts at all. Besides, is it really that bad if the method has to be approved? I don't understand why you want to change this part of the rule. On 6/22/19 1:37 AM, Aris Merchant wrote: On Sat, Jun 22, 2019 at 12:16 AM omd wrote:

Re: DIS: Proto: Deregulation, but less so

2019-06-22 Thread omd
On Sat, Jun 22, 2019 at 9:58 AM Jason Cobb wrote: > Looking at this again, if the Rules state that doing something is a > crime (such as lying in a public message), then that arguably alters the > Rules-defined "state" of whether or not they are guilty of a crime. Is > this a valid reading, and

Re: DIS: Proto: Deregulation, but less so

2019-06-22 Thread ais...@alumni.bham.ac.uk
On Fri, 2019-06-21 at 22:57 -0700, omd wrote: > On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 10:53 PM Jason Cobb wrote: > > In my view, "inherent meaning" is a bit vague. I certainly could write > > up a document that suggests a change to the laws of my country, print a > > bunch of copies, and then start handing

Re: DIS: Proto: Deregulation, but less so

2019-06-22 Thread Aris Merchant
On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 10:57 PM omd wrote: > On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 10:53 PM Jason Cobb > wrote: > > In my view, "inherent meaning" is a bit vague. I certainly could write > > up a document that suggests a change to the laws of my country, print a > > bunch of copies, and then start handing

Re: DIS: Proto: Deregulation, but less so

2019-06-22 Thread Rebecca
Well, one of the many such precedents stretching back forever. On Sat, Jun 22, 2019 at 4:00 PM ais...@alumni.bham.ac.uk < ais...@alumni.bham.ac.uk> wrote: > On Fri, 2019-06-21 at 22:57 -0700, omd wrote: > > On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 10:53 PM Jason Cobb > wrote: > > > In my view, "inherent

Re: DIS: Proto: Deregulation, but less so

2019-06-22 Thread omd
On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 11:12 PM Aris Merchant wrote: > I think you’re making it worse rather than better. I’d drop the “with no > inherent meaning” bit; a judge could easily interpret it to forbid > "distribute" being a term of art, since distributing something has meaning. The point of that

Re: DIS: Proto: Deregulation, but less so

2019-06-22 Thread Rebecca
Does any language have inherent meaning? :thinking: On Sat, Jun 22, 2019 at 5:07 PM omd wrote: > On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 11:12 PM Aris Merchant > wrote: > > I think you’re making it worse rather than better. I’d drop the “with no > > inherent meaning” bit; a judge could easily interpret it to

Re: DIS: Proto: Deregulation, but less so

2019-06-22 Thread omd
On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 11:12 PM Aris Merchant wrote: > Also, the bit in Mother May I should still go in the regulated actions > rule. Let's keep all the regulated action stuff in one place. I really like > the current phrasing; it's extremely elegant (honestly, more so than the > one here), and

Re: DIS: Seriously, what do you guys think about the Revival of Spaaace?

2019-06-22 Thread Rebecca
(That's why I've made a proposal to create spaceships, yeah) Can you find the message where we ratified out the space ru On Sun, Jun 23, 2019 at 12:42 PM Kerim Aydin wrote: > > On 6/22/2019 7:19 PM, Rebecca wrote: > > Does the previous state of spce carry over or does it all reset? Are >

Re: DIS: Seriously, what do you guys think about the Revival of Spaaace?

2019-06-22 Thread Rebecca
Or i mean i could do that it does seem like my job On Sun, Jun 23, 2019 at 12:45 PM Rebecca wrote: > Sorry, I meant the space rules? That would enable me to recall the CFJ I > filed. > > On Sun, Jun 23, 2019 at 12:44 PM Rebecca wrote: > >> (That's why I've made a proposal to create spaceships,

Re: DIS: Seriously, what do you guys think about the Revival of Spaaace?

2019-06-22 Thread Rebecca
Sorry, I meant the space rules? That would enable me to recall the CFJ I filed. On Sun, Jun 23, 2019 at 12:44 PM Rebecca wrote: > (That's why I've made a proposal to create spaceships, yeah) > > Can you find the message where we ratified out the space ru > > On Sun, Jun 23, 2019 at 12:42 PM

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Rule 2479 Cleanup

2019-06-22 Thread Jason Cobb
Sorry! Will do. Jason Cobb On 6/22/19 9:24 PM, Aris Merchant wrote: Note from the Office of the Promotor: Please don't use the > style quote formatting again. It makes text formatting a nightmare, and stops me from wrapping lines. -Aris On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 5:01 PM Jason Cobb wrote:

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Election Intents

2019-06-22 Thread James Cook
I'm happy to give up Treasuror if anyone is interested, or maybe Registrar if someone really wants it. On Sat, 22 Jun 2019 at 04:08, Reuben Staley wrote: > Is anyone else interested in Rulekeepor right now? If you are, I'm good > with letting an election play out, though I really do enjoy the

Re: DIS: [Promotor] Draft

2019-06-22 Thread Aris Merchant
No, you're getting the formula wrong. Rule 879 says that "If no other rule defines the quorum of an Agoran Decision, the quorum for that decision is equal to 2/3 of the number of voters on the Agoran Decision to adopt a proposal that had been most recently resolved at the time of that decision's

Re: DIS: [Promotor] Draft

2019-06-22 Thread Rebecca
"ha who reads things when they can just complain instead" - me On Sun, Jun 23, 2019 at 12:13 PM Aris Merchant < thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote: > I thought Proposal 8181 did that? > > -Aris > > On Sat, Jun 22, 2019 at 7:11 PM Rebecca wrote: > > > > uh nobody's fixed the Cold Hand of

DIS: Seriously, what do you guys think about the Revival of Spaaace?

2019-06-22 Thread Rebecca
Does the previous state of spce carry over or does it all reset? Are you planning to battle your spces? discuss today -- >From R. Lee

Re: DIS: Seriously, what do you guys think about the Revival of Spaaace?

2019-06-22 Thread Kerim Aydin
On 6/22/2019 7:19 PM, Rebecca wrote: Does the previous state of spce carry over or does it all reset? Are you planning to battle your spces? discuss today I believe all of the space assets were eliminated via ratification? There's no provisions in the rules for creating new

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 8180-8187

2019-06-22 Thread James Cook
Same comment as to Jason Cobb: I don't think this worked. On Sat, 22 Jun 2019 at 20:33, D. Margaux wrote: > > I earn (8-1)*1.7 = 12 coins for this proposal > > > On Jun 22, 2019, at 2:43 PM, D. Margaux wrote: > > > > PROPOSAL 8181 (Referee CAN Impose Fines (v1.1)) > > FOR: R. Lee#, D. Margaux,

Re: DIS: [Promotor] Draft

2019-06-22 Thread Jason Cobb
Ah sorry. I promise that I can read! Jason Cobb On 6/22/19 10:20 PM, Aris Merchant wrote: No, you're getting the formula wrong. Rule 879 says that "If no other rule defines the quorum of an Agoran Decision, the quorum for that decision is equal to 2/3 of the number of voters on the Agoran

Re: DIS: Seriously, what do you guys think about the Revival of Spaaace?

2019-06-22 Thread Jason Cobb
IANAAL ("I am not an Agora Lawyer"). I would argue that this is the key section from Rule 1586 ("Definition and Continuity of Entities"): If the entity that defines another entity is amended such that it no longer defines the second entity, then the second entity and its

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposal 8177

2019-06-22 Thread James Cook
Nitpick: I believe the ratification you quote failed, but D. Margaux's earlier Astronomor report did self-ratify, which is just as good. See the section "D. Margaux's attempt to ratify without objection failed." in my judgement of CFJ 3726 at https://faculty.washington.edu/kerim/nomic/cases/?3726

Re: DIS: [Promotor] Draft

2019-06-22 Thread Aris Merchant
On Sat, Jun 22, 2019 at 7:02 PM Jason Cobb wrote: > > Quorum might be wrong, given this CoE on the Assessor report by G (in a > reply to the thread): Thanks for pointing that out; you're right that I didn't notice. On this occasion, quorum is unchanged due to the way the rounding works out. > >

DIS: Re: BUS: The ruleset is too long so

2019-06-22 Thread James Cook
On Sat, 22 Jun 2019 at 02:52, Rebecca wrote: > Title: Spaceships > AI: 1.1 Why 1.1?

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Rule 2479 Cleanup

2019-06-22 Thread Aris Merchant
Note from the Office of the Promotor: Please don't use the > style quote formatting again. It makes text formatting a nightmare, and stops me from wrapping lines. -Aris On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 5:01 PM Jason Cobb wrote: > > Oh, I meant to make it say "player" instead of "person who plays the >

Re: DIS: [Promotor] Draft

2019-06-22 Thread Jason Cobb
Why wouldn't the quorum change? The highest numbered proposal in the purported resolution had 10 voters.  With Telnaior, it would go to 11. By Rule 879, quorum is ceil(2/3*(# voters on last resolved decision to adopt a proposal)). 10*2/3=6.666..., which goes to 7. With Telnaior,

Re: DIS: [Promotor] Draft

2019-06-22 Thread Aris Merchant
I thought Proposal 8181 did that? -Aris On Sat, Jun 22, 2019 at 7:11 PM Rebecca wrote: > > uh nobody's fixed the Cold Hand of Justice? > > On Sun, Jun 23, 2019 at 12:07 PM Aris Merchant < > thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Sat, Jun 22, 2019 at 7:02 PM Jason Cobb wrote: > > >

Re: DIS: [Promotor] Draft

2019-06-22 Thread Jason Cobb
Quorum might be wrong, given this CoE on the Assessor report by G (in a reply to the thread): CoE:  This leaves out my votes on Telnaior's behalf, which change the outcome of at least one proposal I think (8184). Also, what exactly is your "standard reward policy"? Jason Cobb On 6/22/19

Re: DIS: Proto: Deregulation, but less so

2019-06-22 Thread Aris Merchant
On Sat, Jun 22, 2019 at 12:16 AM omd wrote: > > On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 11:12 PM Aris Merchant > wrote: > > Also, the bit in Mother May I should still go in the regulated actions > > rule. Let's keep all the regulated action stuff in one place. I really like > > the current phrasing; it's