Re: DIS: RE: [CotC] CFJ 1945 assigned to ais523

2008-05-14 Thread Kerim Aydin
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Re: DIS: RE: [CotC] CFJ 1945 assigned to ais523

2008-05-14 Thread comex
On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 8:27 PM, Iammars <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > T ...mmH > hnE na ro > igammaI-f > smrgaet- > asumoc-a > g e.cm-e > iPwww.j-d > vuzzle! i > es me an Decoder for this one: flipv(rotate(v_spiral)) If you're wondering, v_spiral is a class, and flipv and rotate are functions t

Re: DIS: RE: [CotC] CFJ 1945 assigned to ais523

2008-05-14 Thread Iammars
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DIS: Re: BUS: I win

2008-05-14 Thread Iammars
On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 11:35 AM, Elliott Hird <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Finally, the ruleset nowhere > states that if certain conditions are met, a player wins the game by > announcement. (Rule 2186/0 refers to a win announcement, but this is > not the same thing; a win announcement has to be e

Re: DIS: Return of the Oligarchy (draft 1)

2008-05-14 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Wed, 14 May 2008, Benjamin Schultz wrote: > {TODO: Add schedule of fees, most likely in Notes, to change ranks. Add > schedule of upkeep fees. Add other useful powers. Get lots of feedback and > improve this proposal.} I actually really, really, really liked the dynamics of the old syst

Re: DIS: RE: Return of the Oligarchy (draft 1)

2008-05-14 Thread ihope
On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 6:25 PM, Alexander Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That leads to some sort of strange feedback loop when the EVLOD and > VVLOD are both set to the same value by averaging. The proto should > really make that clearer, somehow. Quite. People would quickly end up with VLODs

Re: DIS: Return of the Oligarchy (draft 1)

2008-05-14 Thread ihope
Cute. For the VLOD thing, I guess I'd suggest sticking it in the same place as the chokey penalty. What I'd really like to see, though, is having a "King of the Hill" whose VLOD is multiplied by something, but making the King of the Hill position especially difficult to get and lasting for a finite

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: RE: [CotC] CFJ 1945 assigned to ais523

2008-05-14 Thread Benjamin Schultz
On May 14, 2008, at 6:18 PM, Ben Caplan wrote: On Wednesday 14 May 2008 4:37:26 comex wrote: i ,dnah rehto eht nO f either of you wrot tiw segassem esoht e hout a script, you'r .enasni e m'I ss H .ne iasieu ni!rhg sl Et ane, I Well, You owe the Oracle a Dramamine. - Benjami

DIS: RE: Return of the Oligarchy (draft 1)

2008-05-14 Thread Alexander Smith
OscarMeyr wrote: > * High Oligarch: 1 spot. Eir VVLOD is 6 times what it otherwise > would be, with a minimum of 3. (Compute VVLOD normally, and then > apply this rule.) That leads to some sort of strange feedback loop when the EVLOD and VVLOD are both set to the same value by averaging. The

DIS: Return of the Oligarchy (draft 1)

2008-05-14 Thread Benjamin Schultz
DRAFT 1: Return of the Oligarchy Co-authors: Murphy {Rules and paragraphs to be amended will be worked out as this is fleshed out.} Rank is a player switch with values Citizen (default), High Oligarch, Middle Oligarch, and Low Oligarch. Rank values other than Citizen may be collectively

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: RE: [CotC] CFJ 1945 assigned to ais523

2008-05-14 Thread Ben Caplan
On Wednesday 14 May 2008 4:37:26 comex wrote: > i ,dnah rehto eht nO > f either of you wrot > tiw segassem esoht e > hout a script, you'r >.enasni e m'I ss H .ne iasieu ni!rhg sl Et ane, I Well,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 1940 assigned to Wooble

2008-05-14 Thread Ben Caplan
On Wednesday 14 May 2008 3:35:10 ihope wrote: > Hmm. I should have pointed out that "ASAP" and "as soon as possible" > may not be the same thing. R754(1), James T. Kirk edition: "... the use of [an] ... acronym ... in place of a ... phrase, is inconsequential in all forms of communication" Pa

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: I win

2008-05-14 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Wed, 14 May 2008, Elliott Hird wrote: > 2008/5/14 Geoffrey Spear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> I cause ehird to lose. Causing another player to lose is not >> regulated, thus by 101(ii) I'm allowed to do it by announcement. >> > > I define losing to mean "a chicken". This sort of thing should be in

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 1940 assigned to Wooble

2008-05-14 Thread ihope
On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 9:46 AM, Geoffrey Spear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The defendant clearly deliberately failed to act in accordance with > eir obligations under the pledge in question, and apparently did so > for the sole purpose of bringing this criminal case against emself. E > also made

DIS: Re: BUS: I win

2008-05-14 Thread comex
On 5/14/08, Elliott Hird <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I win the game. It's not time to worry yet. Why? Because let's say that all of ehird's arguments are right and R2140 does attempt to negate the action of the win rule in regulating something (affecting the operation of R2125). But R2125's co

Re: DIS: RE: [CotC] CFJ 1945 assigned to ais523

2008-05-14 Thread Ben Caplan
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DIS: Re: BUS: I win

2008-05-14 Thread Elliott Hird
2008/5/14 Geoffrey Spear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I cause ehird to lose. Causing another player to lose is not > regulated, thus by 101(ii) I'm allowed to do it by announcement. > I define losing to mean "a chicken". ehird

DIS: RE: BUS: I win

2008-05-14 Thread Alexander Smith
Geoffrey Spear wrote: > I cause ehird to lose. Causing another player to lose is not > regulated, thus by 101(ii) I'm allowed to do it by announcement. Yes, but does that actually do anything? Losing isn't defined anywhere, only Losing Conditions, so would causing a player to lose have any effect

RE: DIS: RE: BUS: I win

2008-05-14 Thread Alexander Smith
Goethe wrote: > Goethe wrote: >> On Wed, 14 May 2008, Alexander Smith wrote: >>> ehird wrote: Rule 2140(c) implies that no entity with a power less than 3 can modify any substantive aspect of an instrument with power greater than its own, defining a "substantive" aspect of an instrum

Re: DIS: RE: BUS: I win

2008-05-14 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Wed, 14 May 2008, Kerim Aydin wrote: > On Wed, 14 May 2008, Alexander Smith wrote: >> ehird wrote: >>> Rule 2140(c) implies that no entity with a power less than 3 can >>> modify any substantive aspect of an instrument with power greater than >>> its own, defining a "substantive" aspect of an i

Re: DIS: RE: BUS: I win

2008-05-14 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Wed, 14 May 2008, Alexander Smith wrote: > ehird wrote: >> Rule 2140(c) implies that no entity with a power less than 3 can >> modify any substantive aspect of an instrument with power greater than >> its own, defining a "substantive" aspect of an instrument as any >> aspect that affects the in

DIS: RE: BUS: I win

2008-05-14 Thread Alexander Smith
ehird wrote: > Rule 2140(c) implies that no entity with a power less than 3 can > modify any substantive aspect of an instrument with power greater than > its own, defining a "substantive" aspect of an instrument as any > aspect that affects the instrument's operation. Therefore, in order to Hmm...

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: I win

2008-05-14 Thread Elliott Hird
2008/5/14 Elliott Hird <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > From my previous message: > > { > Rule 2186/0 states "This is the only way to win the game, rules to the > contrary notwithstanding." However, rule 2186/0, being less powerful > than rule 101, cannot take precedence over it, nor modify a > substantive a

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: I win

2008-05-14 Thread Elliott Hird
2008/5/14 Charles Reiss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> It's clear that R2186 regulates winning the game in general if it at >> all possible for any rule to do so. It plainly satisfies R2151(b)'s >> criteria "the rules indicate that if certain conditions are satisfied, >> then some player is permitted

DIS: Re: BUS: I win

2008-05-14 Thread Kerim Aydin
ehird wrote: > Therefore, as the power-3 rule 101/7(ii) permits winning the game by > announcement, and no rule with power at least 3 prohibits it, it is > possible to win the game by announcement. As I made such an > announcement, I have therefore won the game. Nice analysis that winning isn't r

DIS: Re: BUS: I win

2008-05-14 Thread Charles Reiss
On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 11:55 AM, Charles Reiss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 11:35 AM, Elliott Hird > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > 2008/5/14 Elliott Hird <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > > I win the game. > > > > > > ehird > > > > > > > I initiate an inquiry CFJ

DIS: Re: BUS: I win

2008-05-14 Thread Charles Reiss
On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 11:35 AM, Elliott Hird <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 2008/5/14 Elliott Hird <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > I win the game. > > > > ehird > > > > I initiate an inquiry CFJ on the statement: "In the message archived > at the URL >

DIS: Re: BUS: I win

2008-05-14 Thread Roger Hicks
On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 9:33 AM, Elliott Hird <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I win the game. > > ehird > ISIDTID? BobTHJ

RE: DIS: Re: BUS: Intent on CFJ 1932a

2008-05-14 Thread Alexander Smith
If you somehow managed to impose such an equation, root would not be able to follow it; root is incapable of amending the original judgement of CFJ 1932, because there parties to it other than root. (I'm one of them, and would not agree to such an amendment.) Also, with the reassignment: what'

Re: DIS: RE: [CotC] CFJ 1945 assigned to ais523

2008-05-14 Thread Iammars
I applaud you fort this message Goethe. It was fun to read. On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 1:07 AM, Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Tue, 13 May 2008, Taral wrote: > > On 5/13/08, Zefram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> from top to bottom. > >> top is no more difficult to read than one