DIS: Re: BUS: Can't recuse myself? Try a panel of two..

2008-08-15 Thread Ed Murphy
Sgeo wrote: I make the following pledge: { This is a pledge, and a public contract. If I am on an appeals panel, any member of an appeals panel that I'm on may, by announcement, act on my behalf to cause me to support a decision in that appeals case. This pledge terminates as soon as I am

DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ

2008-08-15 Thread Ed Murphy
I wrote: I initiate an inquiry case on the following statements, disqualifying Quazie (who pointed this out to me via IM): If a partner acts on behalf of a partnership to cast a vote, that vote is still cast by that partner, and is thus subject to that partner's voting

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: AAA - Secretary of Agriculture Report

2008-08-15 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 9:38 PM, Benjamin Schultz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Addition and subtraction mod 11 are moderately less obnoxious to figure out than division. Well, ok, when you're dealing with single-digit operands addition is incredibly simple and subtraction's not much worse once you

DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2133 assigned to Wooble

2008-08-15 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Fri, 15 Aug 2008, Ed Murphy wrote: Detail: http://zenith.homelinux.net/cotc/viewcase.php?cfj=2133 == CFJ 2133 == Speech act. The previous sentence is false. results in speech act being performed.

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2133 assigned to Wooble

2008-08-15 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Fri, 15 Aug 2008, Geoffrey Spear wrote: On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 3:02 AM, Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: == CFJ 2133 == Speech act. The previous sentence is false. results in speech act being performed. I judge FALSE.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2133 assigned to Wooble

2008-08-15 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 10:05 AM, Kerim Aydin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Whups, I was too late! This nullifies Zefram's arguments in 2087, dunno what to do with that now. -Goethe Zefram: For the record, I am dubious about this interpretation of a statement being made, and action being taken, at

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2133 assigned to Wooble

2008-08-15 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Fri, 15 Aug 2008, Geoffrey Spear wrote: While I'm not sure a phrase like simultaneous but ordered makes sense, it's one I might use in this situation. Simultaneous but ordered makes perfect sense, but that breaks when a later message goes back and modifies a previous one (the preceding

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2133 assigned to Wooble

2008-08-15 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Fri, 15 Aug 2008, Geoffrey Spear wrote: Maybe I'm misreading this, but it seems to me that the context of the process of making a statement contained in a message is the publication of that entire message. While the ordering of actions announced in a message can be significant, we should

DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2077 assigned to comex

2008-08-15 Thread comex
On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 2:59 AM, Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: == CFJ 2077 == Ivan Hope is a player Is there anyone who thinks this should not be judged

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2077 assigned to comex

2008-08-15 Thread Ben Caplan
== CFJ 2077 Ivan Hope is a player Is there anyone who thinks this should not be judged FALSE? hmm... would not judging it FALSE make it TRUE? I think it ought not to be judged FALSE, but on moral grounds not Agoran-rules grounds. ihope hadn't really

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2103a assigned to woggle, Wooble, ais523

2008-08-15 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 12:44 PM, ais523 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I consent, and also request the prior judge to consider whether the message in fact had the effect of making Sgeo supine (another possible meaning of 'I lie'). In the context of the defendant's message, I can't see any way you

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2103a assigned to woggle, Wooble, ais523

2008-08-15 Thread ais523
On Fri, 2008-08-15 at 13:17 -0400, Geoffrey Spear wrote: On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 12:44 PM, ais523 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I consent, and also request the prior judge to consider whether the message in fact had the effect of making Sgeo supine (another possible meaning of 'I lie'). In

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2133 assigned to Wooble

2008-08-15 Thread comex
On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 12:15 PM, Kerim Aydin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Followup: The old Rule 1527 has been repealed. Nothing has explicitly replaced it and so the Rules are silent on how to deal with those situations now. It is perfectly in keeping with custom and precedent, then, to use

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2136 assigned to BobTHJ

2008-08-15 Thread Roger Hicks
On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 12:32 PM, comex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 12:49 PM, Roger Hicks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I recuse myself from this case. I transfer one prop from BobTHJ to CotC Murphy, on account of the hassle created by the former to the latter. I pledge that

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2133 assigned to Wooble

2008-08-15 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Fri, 15 Aug 2008, comex wrote: On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 12:15 PM, Kerim Aydin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Followup: The old Rule 1527 has been repealed. Nothing has explicitly replaced it and so the Rules are silent on how to deal with those situations now. It is perfectly in keeping with

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Judgement in CFJ 2110

2008-08-15 Thread ais523
On Fri, 2008-08-15 at 13:37 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: On Fri, 15 Aug 2008, ais523 wrote: I judge CFJ 2110 as follows: At the time the CFJ was called, its statement was FALSE. Vote validity is evaluated instantaneously (see root's gratuitous arguments and CFJs 1959 and 1960), and at the

DIS: Re: OFF: [IADOP] Promotor election

2008-08-15 Thread ais523
On Fri, 2008-08-15 at 13:55 -0400, Geoffrey Spear wrote: This message serves to initiate the Agoran Decision to choose the holder of the Promotor office. The eligible voters are the active players, and the vote collector is the IADOP. The valid options are: * PerlNomic Partnership *

DIS: Re: OFF: [IADOP] Promotor election

2008-08-15 Thread Elliott Hird
2008/8/15 Geoffrey Spear [EMAIL PROTECTED]: This message serves to initiate the Agoran Decision to choose the holder of the Promotor office. The eligible voters are the active players, and the vote collector is the IADOP. The valid options are: * PerlNomic Partnership * comex * Murphy

Re: SPAM: DIS: Re: OFF: [IADOP] Promotor election

2008-08-15 Thread ais523
On Fri, 2008-08-15 at 23:07 +0100, Elliott Hird wrote: How can you NOT vote PNP with this?: http://nomic.info/perlnomic/current-proposals/proposal.ais523.code_for_being_the_Agoran_Promotor Heh, my email system even labeled that message as spam. Arguably, it was... -- ais523

Re: SPAM: DIS: Re: OFF: [IADOP] Promotor election

2008-08-15 Thread Elliott Hird
2008/8/15 ais523 [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Fri, 2008-08-15 at 23:07 +0100, Elliott Hird wrote: How can you NOT vote PNP with this?: http://nomic.info/perlnomic/current-proposals/proposal.ais523.code_for_being_the_Agoran_Promotor Heh, my email system even labeled that message as spam. Arguably, it

DIS: Re: BUS: AAA - Secretary of Agriculture Report

2008-08-15 Thread Charles Reiss
On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 13:25, Roger Hicks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 9:00 PM, Charles Reiss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 14:26, Roger Hicks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: AGORAN AGRICULTURAL ASSOCIATION REPORT Time of last report: Mon, 04 Aug 2008 21:50

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Judgement in CFJ 2110

2008-08-15 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 4:37 PM, Kerim Aydin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does this mean that the change to democratic can be made after results are announced (though before self-ratification)? -Goethe I'd say that once an Agoran Decision is resolved, it's no longer a decision and can't be changed

DIS: Re: BUS: OFF: Distribution of proposals 5673-5673

2008-08-15 Thread ais523
On Fri, 2008-08-15 at 15:38 -0700, The PerlNomic Partnership wrote: This distribution of proposal 5673 initiates the Agoran Decisions on whether to adopt it. The eligible voters for ordinary proposals are the active players, the eligible voters for democratic proposals are the active

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: OFF: Distribution of proposals 5673-5673

2008-08-15 Thread comex
On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 6:41 PM, ais523 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 2008-08-15 at 15:38 -0700, The PerlNomic Partnership wrote: This distribution of proposal 5673 initiates the Agoran Decisions on whether to adopt it. The eligible voters for ordinary proposals are the active players, the

DIS: Re: BUS: OFF: Distribution of proposals 5673-5673

2008-08-15 Thread Elliott Hird
2008/8/15 The PerlNomic Partnership [EMAIL PROTECTED]: This distribution of proposal 5673 initiates the Agoran Decisions on whether to adopt it. The eligible voters for ordinary proposals are the active players, the eligible voters for democratic proposals are the active first-class players,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: OFF: Distribution of proposals 5673-5673

2008-08-15 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 6:47 PM, comex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmmm... just testing it so that Agoran voters can see how the PNP would distribute proposals. Which seems fine, although it ought to send to official, not to business with a false OFF: Proposed, but I'll need to subscribe the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: AAA - Secretary of Agriculture Report

2008-08-15 Thread Ed Murphy
woggle wrote: On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 13:25, Roger Hicks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 9:00 PM, Charles Reiss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 14:26, Roger Hicks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: AGORAN AGRICULTURAL ASSOCIATION REPORT Time of last report: Mon, 04

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: AAA - Secretary of Agriculture Report

2008-08-15 Thread Roger Hicks
On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 4:29 PM, Charles Reiss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is your RNG stuck on 4 or something? 4 4 ranches really aren't that useful these days. -woggle At the rate CFJs are being called lately I think 4s will be in high demand before too longjust wait for another 2k CFJs to