DIS: RE: Re: BUS: The quorum is way too low

2009-03-03 Thread Alexander Smith
comex wrote: On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 7:00 PM, Alex Smith ais...@bham.ac.uk wrote: Without objection, I make Billy Pilgrim inactive. Without objection, I make j inactive. Without objection, I make cmealerjr inactive. The AFO goes on hold. I spend C Eb G to reduce OscarMeyr's caste to

DIS: Re: BUS: Fun and games

2009-03-03 Thread Elliott Hird
2009/3/3 Alex Smith ais...@bham.ac.uk: I submit the following proposal, Open It Up, AI 3: -- Create a Rule with the following text and a power of 3:   If a rule exists that mentions the possibility of a player   causing a rule

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Fun and games

2009-03-03 Thread Alex Smith
On Tue, 2009-03-03 at 14:20 +, Elliott Hird wrote: 2009/3/3 Alex Smith ais...@bham.ac.uk: I submit the following proposal, Open It Up, AI 3: -- Create a Rule with the following text and a power of 3: If a rule

Re: DIS: Re: agora-official digest, Vol 1 #2474 - 2 msgs

2009-03-03 Thread comex
On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 3:48 AM, Alexander Smith ais...@bham.ac.uk wrote: As you can guess, it's a pretty common mistake; most players here have posted to the wrong forum dozens of times. Though only one player has posted a message, accidentally to a-b, trying to get B Nomic to declare war on

Re: DIS: Foreign relations

2009-03-03 Thread Elliott Hird
2009/3/3 Jonatan Kilhamn jonatan.kilh...@gmail.com: How active is another nomic required to be for Agora to recognize it? I am thinking of two nomics, first the Einos found here: (http://einos-nomic.blogspot.com/) which already has the We submit to Agora as our benevolent protector rule in its

Re: DIS: Foreign relations

2009-03-03 Thread Elliott Hird
2009/3/3 Elliott Hird penguinoftheg...@googlemail.com: Any activity. einos is run by our player Craig/Teucer, and since we can make it a Protectorate we might as well. The Ambassador handles recognition changes. Although, let's not recognize xkcd's, because they die out after a week or so.

Re: DIS: Foreign relations

2009-03-03 Thread Alex Smith
On Tue, 2009-03-03 at 14:53 +, Elliott Hird wrote: 2009/3/3 Elliott Hird penguinoftheg...@googlemail.com: Any activity. einos is run by our player Craig/Teucer, and since we can make it a Protectorate we might as well. The Ambassador handles recognition changes. Although,

Re: DIS: Foreign relations

2009-03-03 Thread Jonatan Kilhamn
2009/3/3 Alex Smith ais...@bham.ac.uk: On Tue, 2009-03-03 at 14:53 +, Elliott Hird wrote: 2009/3/3 Elliott Hird penguinoftheg...@googlemail.com: Any activity. einos is run by our player Craig/Teucer, and since we can make it a Protectorate we might as well. The Ambassador handles

DIS: Re: BUS: Fun and games

2009-03-03 Thread Ed Murphy
ais523 wrote: On Fri, 2009-02-27 at 18:21 -0800, Kerim Aydin wrote: I submit the following proposal, Nothing Original, AI-3: -- Create a Rule with the following text and a power of 3: Goethe CAN cause this rule to amend

Re: DIS: Re: agora-official digest, Vol 1 #2474 - 2 msgs

2009-03-03 Thread Ed Murphy
Tiger wrote: 2009/3/3 Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com: Tiger wrote: 6120 D 1 2.0 Murphy Increase the ticket ration I vote FOR this proposal. NttPF I'm sorry, until now I thought I could just watch that being aid everywhere and figure out what it meant on my own, but now

DIS: Re: BUS: Pre-emptive support, sorta

2009-03-03 Thread comex
On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 10:39 AM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: ais523 can act on my behalf to cause me to support eir own intent to make Einos (http://einos-nomic.blogspot.com/) a protectorate. I CFJ on the statement: { ais523 can act on Murphy's behalf to cause me to support eir own

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Pre-emptive support, sorta

2009-03-03 Thread Elliott Hird
2009/3/3 comex com...@gmail.com: On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 10:39 AM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: ais523 can act on my behalf to cause me to support eir own intent to make Einos (http://einos-nomic.blogspot.com/) a protectorate. I CFJ on the statement: { ais523 can act on Murphy's

DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2397 assigned to Goethe

2009-03-03 Thread Ed Murphy
I wrote: ais523 can act on Murphy's behalf to cause Murphy to support ais523's own intent to make Einos (http://einos-nomic.blogspot.com/) a protectorate. Gratuituous arguments: But contracts have been the only mechanism by which we have thus far allowed act-on-behalf where it

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Pre-emptive support, sorta

2009-03-03 Thread comex
On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 11:20 AM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: Wow, I'm making lots of mistakes today.  Sorry.  I retract that CFJ. Note to others:  that CFJ was sent to both a-b and a-d.  (I, at least, got both copies routed to my a-b folder, and thought it had been double-posted

DIS: Re: BUS: Fun and games

2009-03-03 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Tue, 3 Mar 2009, Alex Smith wrote: Voting for this one could be useful insurance against whatever Goethe is trying. We already have H. Cassandra Goethe, don't make me a Cassandra too... To be a proper Cassandra, you've got to prophesize what's actually going to happen in a way to actually

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Fun and games

2009-03-03 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Tue, 3 Mar 2009, Alex Smith wrote: On Tue, 2009-03-03 at 14:20 +, Elliott Hird wrote: 2009/3/3 Alex Smith ais...@bham.ac.uk: I'm all for legitimate scams. I'm all for legitimate wins, too What's the difference?

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Fun and games

2009-03-03 Thread Alex Smith
On Tue, 2009-03-03 at 09:05 -0800, Kerim Aydin wrote: On Tue, 3 Mar 2009, Alex Smith wrote: On Tue, 2009-03-03 at 14:20 +, Elliott Hird wrote: 2009/3/3 Alex Smith ais...@bham.ac.uk: I'm all for legitimate scams. I'm all for legitimate wins, too What's the difference? Not all

DIS: Re: BUS: (beleértve a fordítási szo lgáltatás)

2009-03-03 Thread Ed Murphy
ais523 wrote: I call on the conviction of the person I am. Ineffective, the statement is not clearly identified. Arguments: The only rule in 2150 through the definition of what a person: ((( Any organization that is generally capable of biological communicating by

DIS: Re: BUS: [ISO-8859-1] (beleértve a [ISO-8859-1] fordítási[ISO-8859-1] szol gáltatás)

2009-03-03 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Tue, 3 Mar 2009, Alex Smith wrote: I call on the conviction of the person I am. Arguments: The only rule in 2150 through the definition of what a person: ((( Any organization that is generally capable of biological communicating by email in English (including

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (beleértve a fordítási szolgáltatás)

2009-03-03 Thread Alex Smith
On Tue, 2009-03-03 at 09:26 -0800, Ed Murphy wrote: Rule 2150 does not specify the type or quality of the translation service. Also, English-to-Hungarian-to-English is not an ideal test of native-Hungarian-to-English. Rule 2150 requires me to be able to participate via a translation service.

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2397 assigned to Goethe

2009-03-03 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Tue, 3 Mar 2009, Alex Smith wrote: I interpreted this as relatively clear consent to allow me to act on Murphy's behalf support such an intent, although not as being a contract. Note that my intent to protectorise Einos came after Murphy's comment quoted above, although before the CFJ was

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (beleértve a fordítá si szolgáltatás)

2009-03-03 Thread Ed Murphy
ais523 wrote: On Tue, 2009-03-03 at 09:26 -0800, Ed Murphy wrote: Rule 2150 does not specify the type or quality of the translation service. Also, English-to-Hungarian-to-English is not an ideal test of native-Hungarian-to-English. Rule 2150 requires me to be able to participate via a

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2397 assigned to Goethe

2009-03-03 Thread Alex Smith
On Tue, 2009-03-03 at 09:34 -0800, Kerim Aydin wrote: On Tue, 3 Mar 2009, Alex Smith wrote: I interpreted this as relatively clear consent to allow me to act on Murphy's behalf support such an intent, although not as being a contract. Note that my intent to protectorise Einos came after

DIS: Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [ISO-8859-1] (be leértve a fordítá[ISO-8859-1] si szolg áltatás)

2009-03-03 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Tue, 3 Mar 2009, Ed Murphy wrote: ais523 wrote: On Tue, 2009-03-03 at 09:26 -0800, Ed Murphy wrote: Rule 2150 does not specify the type or quality of the translation service. Also, English-to-Hungarian-to-English is not an ideal test of native-Hungarian-to-English. Rule 2150 requires

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (beleértve a fordítási szolgáltatás)

2009-03-03 Thread Alex Smith
On Tue, 2009-03-03 at 09:37 -0800, Ed Murphy wrote: Oh, so you're interpreting R2150 as must include. Again, though, this is trivially satisfied by your theoretical ability to hire one or more sufficiently competent human translators. Is a theoretical ability enough, though? For instance, I'm

Re: DIS: Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [ISO-8859-1] (beleértve a fordítá[ISO-8859-1] si szolgáltatás)

2009-03-03 Thread Alex Smith
On Tue, 2009-03-03 at 09:44 -0800, Kerim Aydin wrote: On Tue, 3 Mar 2009, Ed Murphy wrote: ais523 wrote: On Tue, 2009-03-03 at 09:26 -0800, Ed Murphy wrote: Rule 2150 does not specify the type or quality of the translation service. Also, English-to-Hungarian-to-English is not an ideal

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (beleértve a fordítási szolgáltatás)

2009-03-03 Thread Alex Smith
On Tue, 2009-03-03 at 09:57 -0800, Ed Murphy wrote: ais523 wrote: On Tue, 2009-03-03 at 09:37 -0800, Ed Murphy wrote: Oh, so you're interpreting R2150 as must include. Again, though, this is trivially satisfied by your theoretical ability to hire one or more sufficiently competent

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2397 assigned to Goethe

2009-03-03 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Tue, 3 Mar 2009, Alex Smith wrote: It doesn't claim to be a pledge, and it only has one party (if that). Therefore, it cannot by definition be a contract. Murphy offers a service which is binding onto em. You accept by acting on it. This is a common-language agreement. There is no

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: still not here, but...

2009-03-03 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Tue, 3 Mar 2009, Jonatan Kilhamn wrote: 2009/3/2 Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu: On Mon, 2 Mar 2009, Elliott Hird wrote: I nominate myself for Anarchist (now *that* I can handle) I nominate tiger for Anarchist (not wholly fair to make a new player/ officer who's doing a good job

DIS: Re: BUS: Another corner case

2009-03-03 Thread Elliott Hird
2009/3/3 Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com: CFJ:  Murphy's daughter Victoria is a person. Caller's arguments: Victoria is five years old, with the typical physical and mental capabilities thereof.  Obviously she meets the ordinary-language definition; this case pertains to the Rule 2150

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Another corner case

2009-03-03 Thread Elliott Hird
2009/3/3 Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu: The relevant question here isn't whether she can communicate, but whether she can understand well enough to be her own legal person (e.g. it might rely on being able to communicate consent, etc.).  Something of the sort came up around CFJ 1856;

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Another corner case

2009-03-03 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Tue, 3 Mar 2009, Geoffrey Spear wrote: On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:38 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: The relevant question here isn't whether she can communicate, but whether she can understand well enough to be her own legal person (e.g. it might rely on being able to

DIS: Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (beleértve a fordítási szolgál tatás)

2009-03-03 Thread Aaron Goldfein
On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 11:57 AM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: ais523 wrote: On Tue, 2009-03-03 at 09:37 -0800, Ed Murphy wrote: Oh, so you're interpreting R2150 as must include. Again, though, this is trivially satisfied by your theoretical ability to hire one or more

DIS: ISO-8859-1?B?UmU6IERJUzogUmU6IEJVUzogKGJlbGXpcnR2ZSBhI GZvcmTtdOFzaSBzem9sZ+Fs?= [ISO-8859-1] tatás )

2009-03-03 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Tue, 3 Mar 2009, Aaron Goldfein wrote: On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 11:57 AM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: It was reasonably clear that you intended to initiate a case, but the details were considerably less clear; presumably an inquiry case on I am a person, but the Yoda-esque

Re: DIS: Foreign relations

2009-03-03 Thread Benjamin Caplan
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Elliott Hird wrote: 2009/3/3 Elliott Hird penguinoftheg...@googlemail.com: Any activity. einos is run by our player Craig/Teucer, and since we can make it a Protectorate we might as well. The Ambassador handles recognition changes.

DIS: Re: BUS: Pre-emptive support, sorta

2009-03-03 Thread Elliott Hird
2009/3/3 Benjamin Caplan celestialcognit...@gmail.com: -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJrZAvyUdQDqgQe30RAgGoAJ9l4B/LS1VpCIoLq3C7mShcEeX5ugCdF8IC pW2cK5cpl/4g+cnyDCoM9dQ= =8KOh -END PGP

Re: DIS: Foreign relations

2009-03-03 Thread Elliott Hird
2009/3/3 Benjamin Caplan celestialcognit...@gmail.com: This seems like an excellent reason /for/ Agora to interfere. R2147: ...Agora, being the superpower of nomics, has an inherent responsibility to lead the nomic world; and ... Agora desires to encourage growth and promotion of the nomic

Re: DIS: Foreign relations

2009-03-03 Thread Jonatan Kilhamn
2009/3/3 Elliott Hird penguinoftheg...@googlemail.com: 2009/3/3 Benjamin Caplan celestialcognit...@gmail.com: This seems like an excellent reason /for/ Agora to interfere. R2147: ...Agora, being the superpower of nomics, has an inherent responsibility to lead the nomic world; and ... Agora

DIS: Re: BUS: Fun and games

2009-03-03 Thread Taral
On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 6:09 AM, Alex Smith ais...@bham.ac.uk wrote: Voting for this one could be useful insurance against whatever Goethe is trying. We already have H. Cassandra Goethe, don't make me a Cassandra too... Change amend to repeal, and I'll vote for it. -- Taral tar...@gmail.com

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Pre-emptive support, sorta

2009-03-03 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Tue, 3 Mar 2009, Benjamin Caplan wrote: I believe that people should use strong encryption by default, regardless of whether a specific reason to do so exists. Is PGP/MIME (as in this message) less obtrusive? (this will depend on whether your email client properly handles MIME encoding)

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Fun and games

2009-03-03 Thread Jonatan Kilhamn
2009/3/3 Taral tar...@gmail.com: On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 6:09 AM, Alex Smith ais...@bham.ac.uk wrote: Voting for this one could be useful insurance against whatever Goethe is trying. We already have H. Cassandra Goethe, don't make me a Cassandra too... Change amend to repeal, and I'll vote

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Fun and games

2009-03-03 Thread Alex Smith
On Tue, 2009-03-03 at 22:36 +0100, Jonatan Kilhamn wrote: 2009/3/3 Taral tar...@gmail.com: On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 6:09 AM, Alex Smith ais...@bham.ac.uk wrote: Voting for this one could be useful insurance against whatever Goethe is trying. We already have H. Cassandra Goethe, don't make me

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Fun and games

2009-03-03 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Tue, 3 Mar 2009, Jonatan Kilhamn wrote: 2009/3/3 Taral tar...@gmail.com: On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 6:09 AM, Alex Smith ais...@bham.ac.uk wrote: Voting for this one could be useful insurance against whatever Goethe is trying. We already have H. Cassandra Goethe, don't make me a Cassandra

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Fun and games

2009-03-03 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Tue, 3 Mar 2009, Jonatan Kilhamn wrote: 2009/3/3 Alex Smith ais...@bham.ac.uk: On Tue, 2009-03-03 at 22:36 +0100, Jonatan Kilhamn wrote: 2009/3/3 Taral tar...@gmail.com: On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 6:09 AM, Alex Smith ais...@bham.ac.uk wrote: Voting for this one could be useful insurance

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Fun and games

2009-03-03 Thread Taral
On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:56 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: ais523's fix is not to be trusted.  Read it.  If a rule mentions the possibility... that someone can modify the rules by announcement, then someone can modify the rules by announcement.  If it passes, whether or not mine