DIS: Re: BUS: Registration

2011-06-29 Thread Charles Walker
On 28 June 2011 18:12, Joshua Murphy math...@ymail.com wrote: I hereby register with the nickname of Math321. Welcome! -- Charles Walker

DIS: Election Proto

2011-06-29 Thread Charles Walker
Proto-proposal: {{ Unfortunately, babies will die (AI 3) Amend Rule 2154 (Election Procedure) by replacing the final paragraph with: A valid vote in an election consists of an ordered list of valid votes (possibly only one). The voter is initially considered to have chosen the

DIS: This message may not have been sent by

2011-06-29 Thread Charles Walker
Are any other Gmail users getting an annoying This message may not have been sent by: at the top of all of their own messages to the lists? -- Charles Walker

Re: DIS: This message may not have been sent by

2011-06-29 Thread Aaron Goldfein
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 03:54, Charles Walker charles.w.wal...@gmail.com wrote: Are any other Gmail users getting an annoying This message may not have been sent by: at the top of all of their own messages to the lists? -- Charles Walker Not to my own messages, but I am getting that

Re: DIS: This message may not have been sent by

2011-06-29 Thread Elliott Hird
On 29 June 2011 10:03, Aaron Goldfein aarongoldf...@gmail.com wrote: Not to my own messages, but I am getting that warning from all messages sent by you. ditto How are you sending them?

Re: DIS: This message may not have been sent by

2011-06-29 Thread Charles Walker
On 29 June 2011 11:09, Elliott Hird penguinoftheg...@googlemail.com wrote: On 29 June 2011 10:03, Aaron Goldfein aarongoldf...@gmail.com wrote: Not to my own messages, but I am getting that warning from all messages sent by you. ditto How are you sending them? Just through

Re: DIS: This message may not have been sent by

2011-06-29 Thread Elliott Hird
On 29 June 2011 11:19, Charles Walker charles.w.wal...@gmail.com wrote: Just through https://mail.google.com, as per usual. Would your account happen to be @googlemail.com rather than @gmail.com? Or have a different number of dots in its true name?

Re: DIS: This message may not have been sent by

2011-06-29 Thread Charles Walker
On 29 June 2011 11:30, Elliott Hird penguinoftheg...@googlemail.com wrote: On 29 June 2011 11:19, Charles Walker charles.w.wal...@gmail.com wrote: Just through https://mail.google.com, as per usual. Would your account happen to be @googlemail.com rather than @gmail.com? Or have a different

Re: DIS: This message may not have been sent by

2011-06-29 Thread Jonathan Rouillard
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 5:03 AM, Aaron Goldfein aarongoldf...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 03:54, Charles Walker charles.w.wal...@gmail.com wrote: Are any other Gmail users getting an annoying This message may not have been sent by: at the top of all of their own messages to the

Re: DIS: This message may not have been sent by

2011-06-29 Thread Elliott Hird
On 29 June 2011 11:49, Charles Walker charles.w.wal...@gmail.com wrote: It was @googlemail.com but I changed it to @gmail.com a while back. I can still sign in as @googlemail.com though, and messages sent to either address work. It's gone now. Did you change something?

Re: DIS: This message may not have been sent by

2011-06-29 Thread Charles Walker
On 29 June 2011 13:17, Elliott Hird penguinoftheg...@googlemail.com wrote: On 29 June 2011 11:49, Charles Walker charles.w.wal...@gmail.com wrote: It was @googlemail.com but I changed it to @gmail.com a while back. I can still sign in as @googlemail.com though, and messages sent to either

Re: DIS: This message may not have been sent by

2011-06-29 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 4:54 AM, Charles Walker charles.w.wal...@gmail.com wrote: Are any other Gmail users getting an annoying This message may not have been sent by: at the top of all of their own messages to the lists? Does this mean that Walker's claims of identity in messages for the next

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Registration

2011-06-29 Thread Joshua Murphy
From: ais523 callforjudgem...@yahoo.co.uk To: agora-discussion@agoranomic.org Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 8:11 PM Subject: Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Registration I can't get to mail classic, Yahoo removed the option to use it because they're strongly encouraging people to use the new interface.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Registration

2011-06-29 Thread Joshua Murphy
From: Elliott Hird penguinoftheg...@googlemail.com To: agora-discussion@agoranomic.org Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 10:20 PM Subject: Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Registration On 29 June 2011 01:03, Joshua Murphy math...@ymail.com wrote: Sorry again. I'm kinda new at this. I'll use a divider made out of

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Registration

2011-06-29 Thread Joshua Murphy
- Original Message - From: Elliott Hird penguinoftheg...@googlemail.com To: agora-discussion@agoranomic.org Cc: Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 10:21 PM Subject: Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Registration By the way, no need to be sorry; many new players have problems sending their emails right to

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Registration

2011-06-29 Thread Elliott Hird
On 29 June 2011 14:48, Joshua Murphy math...@ymail.com wrote: Is this better? For now, I can't do the thing, but at least I've figured out how to do plain text. This is better, although your style of quoting is a bit confusing/wastes some space in at least my mail client. Nevertheless, not

DIS: Re: BUS: Chamber CFJ

2011-06-29 Thread omd
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 5:32 AM, Charles Walker charles.w.wal...@gmail.com wrote: I CFJ on Chamber is a switch. Arguments: FALSE as no officer tracks it. The same goes for adoption index, which means that no recent proposals have actually had an adoption index. This might mean that proposals

DIS: Re: BUS: Chamber CFJ

2011-06-29 Thread Charles Walker
On 29 June 2011 16:51, Sean Hunt scsh...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca wrote: On 11-06-29 02:32 AM, Charles Walker wrote: I CFJ on Chamber is a switch. Arguments: FALSE as no officer tracks it. The same goes for adoption index, which means that no recent proposals have actually had an adoption index.

DIS: Re: BUS: Chamber CFJ

2011-06-29 Thread omd
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 11:51 AM, Sean Hunt scsh...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca wrote: I intend, with two support, to file a motion to reconsider. While I'm not sure if I agree at all with the conclusion that AI is a useless property, I would note that any comparison against an undefined value is, by

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Chamber CFJ

2011-06-29 Thread Sean Hunt
On 11-06-29 09:03 AM, Charles Walker wrote: On 29 June 2011 16:51, Sean Huntscsh...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca wrote: On 11-06-29 02:32 AM, Charles Walker wrote: I CFJ on Chamber is a switch. Arguments: FALSE as no officer tracks it. The same goes for adoption index, which means that no recent

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Chamber CFJ

2011-06-29 Thread Sean Hunt
On 11-06-29 09:31 AM, omd wrote: On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 11:51 AM, Sean Huntscsh...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca wrote: I intend, with two support, to file a motion to reconsider. While I'm not sure if I agree at all with the conclusion that AI is a useless property, I would note that any comparison

Re: DIS: This message may not have been sent by

2011-06-29 Thread omd
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 11:56 AM, Geoffrey Spear geoffsp...@gmail.com wrote: I'm now seeing this on the first message in any thread to the lists if it was posted by a gmail user. I wonder if gmail's suddenly not liking how the mailing list is resending messages from gmail users. I bug reported

DIS: Re: BUS: Enforcement Enforcement

2011-06-29 Thread omd
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 4:27 AM, Charles Walker charles.w.wal...@gmail.com wrote:      If a player violates a Rule by failing to meet the requirements      of an office, such as performing eir weekly or monthly duties,      then the IADoP SHALL initiate a valid criminal case on the      matter

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Enforcement Enforcement

2011-06-29 Thread ais523
On Wed, 2011-06-29 at 12:35 -0400, omd wrote: On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 4:27 AM, Charles Walker charles.w.wal...@gmail.com wrote: If a player violates a Rule by failing to meet the requirements of an office, such as performing eir weekly or monthly duties, then the IADoP SHALL

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal

2011-06-29 Thread Charles Walker
On 29 June 2011 17:54, omd c.ome...@gmail.com wrote: Proposal: Victory case changes (AI=1.7) Please could you word this not to clash with my related proposal? You just need to change the first line to If X has been adopted, replace the second paragraph, otherwise the first, with. -- Charles

DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald] The Scroll of Agora

2011-06-29 Thread Sean Hunt
On 11-06-10 09:28 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: GRAND HERO OF AGORA NOMIC Peter Suber, Chuck Carroll, Douglas Hofstadter HERO OF AGORA NOMIC Murphy These should be moved to the forefront. -scshunt

DIS: Re: BUS: You're a man^Wnomic now!

2011-06-29 Thread Joshua Murphy
- Original Message - From: Sean Hunt scsh...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca To: agora-busin...@agoranomic.org Cc: Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2011 2:10 PM Subject: BUS: You're a man^Wnomic now! I come off hold. Proposal: 18th Birthday Bash {{{ Award the patent title Coming of Age to every person

Re: DIS: Election Proto

2011-06-29 Thread Eric Stucky
Proto-proposal: {{ Unfortunately, babies will die (AI 3) Amend Rule 2154 (Election Procedure) by replacing the final paragraph with: A valid vote in an election consists of an ordered list of valid votes (possibly only one). This is problematic. I'm basing the rest of this on

DIS: Re: BUS: Birthday

2011-06-29 Thread Joshua Murphy
- Original Message - From: Charles Walker charles.w.wal...@gmail.com To: agora-business agora-busin...@agoranomic.org Cc: Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2011 2:13 PM Subject: BUS: Birthday Happy Birthday Agora! -- Charles Walker - Original Message ends - HAPPY BIRTHDAY! *Blows

DIS: Re: BUS: Happy birthday, Agora!

2011-06-29 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 2:08 PM, Alex Smith ais...@bham.ac.uk wrote: I award myself a Magenta Ribbon. I play GGAGCB GGAGDC GGGECBA FFECDC.

DIS: Re: BUS: Birthday

2011-06-29 Thread Joshua Murphy
- Original Message - From: Eric Stucky turiski.no...@gmail.com To: Business agora-busin...@agoranomic.org Cc: Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2011 2:24 PM Subject: BUS: Birthday Happy Birthday! (and hurray to me for being oblivious to timezones! Woot!) I Dance a Powerful Dance. Happy

DIS: Re: BUS: Happy birthday, Agora!

2011-06-29 Thread Tanner Swett
I send the public message ais523 sent approximately one hour and one minute ago with a subject line containing Happy birthday, Agora!. —Tanner L. Swett

DIS: Re: BUS: Happy birthday!

2011-06-29 Thread Sean Hunt
On 06/29/11 12:45, Aaron Goldfein wrote: Agora can make its own decisions. If, at any time, Agora wishes to counteract a decision, then that decision, rules to the contrary notwithstanding, has no effect. The game of Agora, but not any player of it, can make arbitrary changes to the gamestate.

Re: DIS: This message may not have been sent by

2011-06-29 Thread Jonathan Rouillard
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 11:56 AM, Geoffrey Spear geoffsp...@gmail.com wrote: I'm now seeing this on the first message in any thread to the lists if it was posted by a gmail user. I wonder if gmail's suddenly not liking how the mailing list is resending messages from gmail users. That must be

DIS: Re: BUS: Happy birthday!

2011-06-29 Thread Jonathan Rouillard
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 3:45 PM, Aaron Goldfein aarongoldf...@gmail.com wrote: Happy 18th birthday, Agora! Since Agora is now a legal adult in most countries, I think it's appropriate that we stop telling it what to do and let the game decide for itself how to alter its ruleset, gamestate,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Happy birthday!

2011-06-29 Thread Jonathan Rouillard
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 4:11 PM, Sean Hunt scsh...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca wrote: On 06/29/11 12:45, Aaron Goldfein wrote: Agora can make its own decisions. If, at any time, Agora wishes to counteract a decision, then that decision, rules to the contrary notwithstanding, has no effect. The game

DIS: Re: BUS: Happy birthday!

2011-06-29 Thread Joshua Murphy
From: Aaron Goldfein aarongoldf...@gmail.com To: agora-busin...@agoranomic.org Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2011 3:45 PM Subject: BUS: Happy birthday! Seconded. -Math321 aka Joshua aka Math321 Happy 18th birthday,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Flawless Victory

2011-06-29 Thread omd
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 3:36 AM, Charles Walker charles.w.wal...@gmail.com wrote:      A person can publish a Declaration of Victory by announcement,      explaining the Victory Condition they believe they have met and      how they met it. If a Victory Case is initiated regarding a      

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Happy birthday!

2011-06-29 Thread omd
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 6:44 PM, Joshua Murphy math...@ymail.com wrote: Seconded. -Math321 aka Joshua aka Math321 FYI, you're still not sending in plain text.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Happy birthday!

2011-06-29 Thread Joshua Murphy
From: omd c.ome...@gmail.com To: agora-discussion@agoranomic.org Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2011 6:51 PM Subject: Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Happy birthday! On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 6:44 PM, Joshua Murphy math...@ymail.com wrote: Seconded. -Math321 aka Joshua aka Math321 FYI, you're still not sending

DIS: Re: BUS: You're a man^Wnomic now!

2011-06-29 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Wed, 29 Jun 2011, Ian Kelly wrote: On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 12:10 PM, Sean Hunt scsh...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca wrote: I come off hold. Proposal: 18th Birthday Bash {{{ Award the patent title Coming of Age to every person who was an active player at some point during Agora's 18th

Re: DIS: This message may not have been sent by

2011-06-29 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Wed, 29 Jun 2011, Elliott Hird wrote: On 29 June 2011 10:03, Aaron Goldfein aarongoldf...@gmail.com wrote: Not to my own messages, but I am getting that warning from all messages sent by you. ditto Pine FTW!

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Enforcement Enforcement

2011-06-29 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Wed, 29 Jun 2011, ais523 wrote: On Wed, 2011-06-29 at 12:35 -0400, omd wrote: On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 4:27 AM, Charles Walker charles.w.wal...@gmail.com wrote: If a player violates a Rule by failing to meet the requirements of an office, such as performing eir weekly or

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Flawless Victory

2011-06-29 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Wed, 29 Jun 2011, omd wrote: What benefit does this offer versus victory cases? Because Walker won last week, there's absolutely no controversy over the win, and e's probably at least a week away (still) from being recognized through an overwrought and unnecessary? (Was writing to agree

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Enforcement Enforcement

2011-06-29 Thread Joshua Murphy
- Original Message - From: Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu To: Agora Discussion agora-discussion@agoranomic.org Cc: Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2011 7:31 PM Subject: Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Enforcement Enforcement On Wed, 29 Jun 2011, ais523 wrote: On Wed, 2011-06-29 at 12:35 -0400, omd

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Flawless Victory

2011-06-29 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Wed, 29 Jun 2011, omd wrote: On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 3:36 AM, Charles Walker charles.w.wal...@gmail.com wrote:      A person can publish a Declaration of Victory by announcement,      explaining the Victory Condition they believe they have met and      how they met it. If a Victory

DIS: Re: BUS: Registration

2011-06-29 Thread Ed Murphy
Joshua Murphy wrote: I hereby register with the nickname of Math321. No relation.

DIS: Re: BUS: Happy birthday!

2011-06-29 Thread Sean Hunt
On 06/29/11 18:23, Chuck Carroll wrote: I send many warm wishes to Agora and to all current and former Agorans on the occasion of Agora's 18th birthday. Looking over the ruleset, I find myself doubly astonished at its state, compared to its state when I was last a player many years ago: I am

Re: DIS: This message may not have been sent by

2011-06-29 Thread Ed Murphy
G. wrote: Pine FTW! Gah, I remember some of my earliest messages being botched due to CLI mail reader issues (I think it was actually /bin/mail).

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Enforcement Enforcement

2011-06-29 Thread Ed Murphy
omd wrote: On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 4:27 AM, Charles Walker charles.w.wal...@gmail.com wrote: If a player violates a Rule by failing to meet the requirements of an office, such as performing eir weekly or monthly duties, then the IADoP SHALL initiate a valid criminal case on

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Happy birthday!

2011-06-29 Thread Chuck Carroll
At 09:56 PM 6/29/2011, you wrote: On 06/29/11 18:23, Chuck Carroll wrote: I send many warm wishes to Agora and to all current and former Agorans on the occasion of Agora's 18th birthday. Looking over the ruleset, I find myself doubly astonished at its state, compared to its state when I was

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Flawless Victory

2011-06-29 Thread omd
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 7:53 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote:          Such declarations are self-ratifying          in terms of whether the indicated Victory Condition was met and that          the person(s) names as meeting the condition have in fact won the          game.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Flawless Victory

2011-06-29 Thread Sean Hunt
On 06/29/11 19:36, omd wrote: On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 7:53 PM, Kerim Aydinke...@u.washington.edu wrote: Such declarations are self-ratifying in terms of whether the indicated Victory Condition was met and that the person(s) names as meeting the condition have in

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Flawless Victory

2011-06-29 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Wed, 29 Jun 2011, omd wrote: On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 7:53 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote:          Such declarations are self-ratifying          in terms of whether the indicated Victory Condition was met and that          the person(s) names as meeting the condition

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Flawless Victory

2011-06-29 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Wed, 29 Jun 2011, omd wrote: On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 10:52 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: Personally, I'd be happy with: (a) Announce a win (b) Wait 4 days or a week to see if anyone calls a case about it, for that matter, what's wrong with the old system: (a) announce

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Flawless Victory

2011-06-29 Thread omd
On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 12:30 AM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: I prefer the old version where the Champion was partial pragmatic; awarded by the Herald (hopefully when e's pretty sure the dust has settled) but the award fails if the win failed. Wasn't e technically violating an