Re: DIS: The land reforms I kept on talking up

[Owen Jacobson]

>> Just saying it is "a record" seems a bit broad. I don't know how you would 
>> make that more specific without being over-complicated, though.
> 
> I just kept this wording from the original maps rules. I don't know how else 
> to say it.

Defining this in terms of a set of platonic entities (or, for that matter, a 
set of assets, but I think a set of platonic entities is probably a better fit 
here), plus switches associated with those entities, would do it. The rules for 
manipulating switches and the rules for requiring an officer to report on 
switches are fairly robust.

> 
>>> Re-enact rule 1997/2 (Power=1), renaming it to "Defined Land Types" with
>>> the text:
>>> 
>>>In addition to Aether, the Land types Black and White are defined.
>>> 
>>> Re-enact rule 1998/2 (Power=1) "Land Topology" with the text:
>>> 
>>>Two Units of Land are Adjacent if they have the same Latitude, and
>>>their Longitudes differ by exactly one; or they have the same
>>>Longitude, and their Latitudes differ by exactly one.
>>> 
>>>The Penguin Distance between two given Units of Land is the
>>>minimum number of Single Waddles required to Travel from one of
>>>the given Units to the other given Unit, where one Single Waddle
>>>is the Penguin Distance required to Travel from one Unit of Land
>>>to an Adjacent Unit of Land.
>> You're using Penguin Distance in the definition of Penguin Distance, which 
>> is a little confusing.
> 
> I left this part untouched because I thought I understood the concept. I 
> guess that there are some extra details in there though.

It’s Manhattan distance, which is clear enough, but defining it in terms of 
itself is a bit awkward.

A recursive definition would define the unit Single Waddle distance in terms of 
the base measures (Latitude and Longitude), and then define the Penguin 
Distance in terms of Single Waddles. A direct definition would be less clear, 
but easier to compute, and would specify how to compute the Penguin Distance 
directly from the Latitude and Longitude:

The Penguin Distance between two Units of Land is the sum of the absolute 
magnitude of the difference in Longitude between the two Units and the absolute 
magnitude of the difference in Latitude between the two Units.


>> Maybe rename Quarries to Mines and have them create shinies.
> 
> Quarries were supposed to create shinies. But here's a different idea. Maybe 
> Quarries/Mines create a currency called Ore, and Ores can be turned into 
> shinies by Refinery zmetah.
> 
> Let's expand this even further -- Quarries have their own inventories where 
> ore is kept and players have to go and take out the ore and bring it to the 
> refinery to exchange eir ores for shinies.

In context of G.’s SimAgora proposal and the associated output currencies, 
perhaps:

* Define three “base” resources, and associated Zmet types. Let’s pretend 
they’re Ores, Fungi, and Chipmunks.

* Define three “refined” resources (G.’s Sports, Coupons, and Widgets), and 
associated Zmet types.

* To produce a Sports using a Zmet, the owner must destroy an Ore and a Fungus 
that they own.

* To produce a Coupon using a Zmet, the owner must destroy an Ore and a 
Chipmunk (sorry, lil fella).

* To produce a Widget using a Zmet, the owner must destroy a Fungus and a 
Chipmunk (seriously, you need to stop hanging around in the Widget factory, 
mousie).

Some tinkering with the relative rates of production and consumption would 
produce some incentive to specialize, without giving a single specialist sole 
control over the resulting economy.

-o



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Re: DIS: The land reforms I kept on talking up

[Owen Jacobson]

I would be more than happy to volunteer to track information for either of the 
two land reform proposals up for discussion. They both look grand.

Some specific feedback on this one:

On Nov 14, 2017, at 12:17 AM, Reuben Staley  wrote:

> Re-enact rule 1993/1 (Power=2) "The Land of Arcadia" with the text:
> 
>  Arcadia is a land entirely defined by the Arcadian Map (the Map).
>  The Map is a record kept by the Office of the Cartographor.
> 
>  The Map divides Arcadia into a finite, discrete number of Units of
>  Land, or simply Land. Each Unit of Land is an indestructible asset
>  specified by a pair of integers known as its Latitude and
>  Longitude.
> 
>  Every unique pair of integers within the limits defined in the
>  Rules for Latitude and Longitude signifies an existent Unit of
>  Land. No other Units of Land exist. Units of Land SHALL only be
>  created or destroyed by changing the limits of Latitude and
>  Longitude defined in the Rules.
> 
>  All values for Latitude and Longitude MUST lie between -9 and +9,
>  inclusive.

You may want to limit this to the integers, lest we argue over the ownership of 
the land at Φ degrees north by τ degrees west, and the myriad other 
transcendental land units.

With integers, this is the size of a goban. Given the rest of your mechanics, I 
suspect this may be intentional.

>  Land belonging to Agora is called Public Land. Land belonging to
>  a contract is called Communal Land. Land belonging to any other
>  entity is called Private Land. Together, Communal Land and Private
>  Land are called Proprietary Land.
> 
>  Changes in Land ownership are secured, unless:
> 
>  1. The Land Unit is Public, and the transfer is specifically
> permitted by the rules;
> 
>  2. The Land Unit is Communal, and the transfer is specifically
> permitted by the Contract that owns it;
> 
>  3. The Land Unit is Private, and the entity that owns it announces
> the transfer.

This is a bit of an odd phrasing. I might go for

Changes in Land ownership are secured. Land can be as follows:

(same list, with the final item set off by an “or”.)

> Re-enact rule 1995/0 (Power=2) "Land Types" with the text:
> 
>  Each Unit of Land SHALL have a single Land Type. Changes to Land
>  Type are secured.
> 
>  The phrase "Units of X", where X is a Land Type defined by the
>  Rules, is considered a synonym for "Units of Land that have Land
>  Type (or Subtype) X"
> 
>  When existent Land has not had its Type changed as explicitly
>  permitted by the Rules, or has a Type that is not currently
>  defined by the Rules, it is considered to have the Land Type of
>  Aether. Rules to the contrary nonwithstanding, Units of Aether
>  CANNOT be transferred from Agora, or owned by any entity other
>  than Agora. If Private or Public Land becomes Aether, the
>  Cartographor SHALL transfer it to Agora in a timely fashion.

Did you mean to permit contracts to own Aether, here?

> Re-enact rule 2004/3 (Power=1) "Land Auctions" with the text:
> 
>  Every Agoran Week, if the number of units of Private Land is less
>  than one half the total number of units of Land, an auction SHALL
>  be initiated. For this auction, the announcer is the Cartographor,
>  the auctioneer is the Cartographor, the lots are chosen as such:
> 
>  1. if there exist at least 3 Units of non-Aether Land in the
>  possession of Agora: any 3 such Units of Land, to be chosen by
>  the Cartographor;
> 
>  2. if there exist fewer than 3 Units of non-Aether Land in the
> possession of Agora: all such Units;
> 
>  and the minimum bid is 1 shiny.

I think this is intended to cause one lot per three units owned by Agora, with 
a final lot for the remaining one or two units, with the total number of units 
auctioned sufficient to put half the units of land in private hands, correct? 
I’m not confident in this phrasing, if so.

> Re-enact rule 2022/5 (Power=1), renaming it "Land Transfiguration" with
> the text:
> 
>  On the fifteenth of each Agoran Month, the Cartographor SHALL
>  perform the following actions in sequence, and report these
>  changes in a timely fashion:

Add a “within a timely fashion” here or a late attempt may fail, and the 
Cartographer cannot avoid a card.

>  1. Every Land Unit, excluding (0, 0) that is not directly
> connected to a unit of Aether, or is not connected by its own
> type to a unit of Aether, shall be transformed to Aether.
> 
>  2. Any entities whose locations are on land units so transformed
> shall have their locations set to 0,0.
> 
>  3. If any land unit so transformed is not property of Agora, it
> becomes property of Agora.

Go capture rules, in other words, but on a fixed clock. Interesting.

>  If one or more units of 

Re: DIS: Note on updated rulesets

[Reuben Staley]

Indeed I did say that. 3000 line long text files are quite intimidating,
which is why I believe in having a good HLR.

--
Trigon

On Nov 16, 2017 8:51 PM, "VJ Rada"  wrote:

> I think I remember Trigon saying that the HLR was the main reason e came
> here and thought the rules were reasonable: so it is important. But yeah
> obviously I'm not that bothered.
>
> On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 2:46 PM, Kerim Aydin 
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > On Fri, 17 Nov 2017, Alexis Hunt wrote:
> > > I'll gladly provide anyone a copy of my then-up-to-date ruleset, until
> I
> > > get web publication working again at which point I hope to remember to
> > keep
> > > the website up to date whenever I update a local copy. Probably
> slightly
> > > higher priority than that is getting the headers back (indicating date,
> > > last recorded proposal effect, etc.), though.
> >
> > I'm not to bothered about the HLR, but it would be great to get up a
> > bookmarkable link that always has the most recent text version.
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> From V.J. Rada
>

Re: DIS: Note on updated rulesets

[Kerim Aydin]

For sure - I really appreciate the HLR and used it for browsing, but when
getting down to proposal-writing, being able to copy/paste from the "most
recent" (and not having to hunt for it in email) is invaluable.

On Fri, 17 Nov 2017, VJ Rada wrote:
> I think I remember Trigon saying that the HLR was the main reason e came
> here and thought the rules were reasonable: so it is important. But yeah
> obviously I'm not that bothered.
> 
> On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 2:46 PM, Kerim Aydin  wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > On Fri, 17 Nov 2017, Alexis Hunt wrote:
> > > I'll gladly provide anyone a copy of my then-up-to-date ruleset, until I
> > > get web publication working again at which point I hope to remember to
> > keep
> > > the website up to date whenever I update a local copy. Probably slightly
> > > higher priority than that is getting the headers back (indicating date,
> > > last recorded proposal effect, etc.), though.
> >
> > I'm not to bothered about the HLR, but it would be great to get up a
> > bookmarkable link that always has the most recent text version.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
> 
> -- 
> From V.J. Rada
>

Re: DIS: Note on updated rulesets

[Alexis Hunt]

That's a fair point; I might be able to use the existing SLR/FLR links on
that page to set it up as a stopgap.

On Thu, 16 Nov 2017 at 22:48 Kerim Aydin  wrote:

>
>
> On Fri, 17 Nov 2017, Alexis Hunt wrote:
> > I'll gladly provide anyone a copy of my then-up-to-date ruleset, until I
> > get web publication working again at which point I hope to remember to
> keep
> > the website up to date whenever I update a local copy. Probably slightly
> > higher priority than that is getting the headers back (indicating date,
> > last recorded proposal effect, etc.), though.
>
> I'm not to bothered about the HLR, but it would be great to get up a
> bookmarkable link that always has the most recent text version.
>
>
>
>

Re: DIS: Note on updated rulesets

[VJ Rada]

I think I remember Trigon saying that the HLR was the main reason e came
here and thought the rules were reasonable: so it is important. But yeah
obviously I'm not that bothered.

On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 2:46 PM, Kerim Aydin  wrote:

>
>
> On Fri, 17 Nov 2017, Alexis Hunt wrote:
> > I'll gladly provide anyone a copy of my then-up-to-date ruleset, until I
> > get web publication working again at which point I hope to remember to
> keep
> > the website up to date whenever I update a local copy. Probably slightly
> > higher priority than that is getting the headers back (indicating date,
> > last recorded proposal effect, etc.), though.
>
> I'm not to bothered about the HLR, but it would be great to get up a
> bookmarkable link that always has the most recent text version.
>
>
>
>


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Re: DIS: Note on updated rulesets

[Kerim Aydin]

On Fri, 17 Nov 2017, Alexis Hunt wrote:
> I'll gladly provide anyone a copy of my then-up-to-date ruleset, until I
> get web publication working again at which point I hope to remember to keep
> the website up to date whenever I update a local copy. Probably slightly
> higher priority than that is getting the headers back (indicating date,
> last recorded proposal effect, etc.), though.

I'm not to bothered about the HLR, but it would be great to get up a
bookmarkable link that always has the most recent text version.

DIS: Proto: Asset Simplification

[Alexis Hunt]

Rule 2166 is enormous, unwieldy, and hard to follow. This intent of this
proposal is to make it easier to understand and remove text that isn't
used. It's easy enough to re-enact relevant text later if needed, but r

Only a proto for now, because it requires coordination with a number of
proposals in flight (this alone is a sign that the rule is broken as is).

{{{
Change the power of Rule 2166 (Assets) to 2, then amend it to read as
follows:
  An asset is an entity that is a member of a class defined as such
  by the rules or by contract (hereafter its backing document). An
  asset exists only as created in accordance with the its backing
  document. In the case of an asset class backed by a contract, that
  contract can, subject to the rules, define the properties as well
  as restrict or permit the creation, transferral, and destruction
  of assets in that class. An asset class is private if its backing
  document is a contract; it is public otherwise.

  Each asset has exactly one owner. The backing document for an
  asset can set out the entities to which ownership is restricted;
  by default, ownership of an asset is restricted to players,
  contracts, and Agora. Other entities CANNOT own that asset.
  Additionally, a contract CANNOT own an asset unless its text
  says, implicitly or explicitly, that it is willing to receive that
  asset or class of assets.

  The recordkeepor of a class of assets is the entity, if any,
  defined as such, and bound by, its backing document. That entity's
  report (weekly, if not modified by the backing document) report
  includes a list of all instances of assets of that class and their
  owners. This portion of the entity's report is self-ratifying.
  Rules to the contrary notwithstanding, a non-party to a contract
  NEED NOT perform any recordkeeping duties assigned to em by that
  contract.

  Subject to an asset's backing document:
  - The owner of an asset CAN, by announcement, destroy it.
  - The owner of an asset CAN, by announcement, transfer it to
another entity, provided that entity can own the asset in
question.

  Should a rule specify a quantity of assets
}}}

Enact a new power-2 rule entitled "The Lost and Found Department",
reading as follows:
{{{
  The Lost and Found Department is an entity. Rules to the contrary
  notwithstanding, the Lost and Found Department can always own any
  asset. If an asset would ever be owned by an entity which cannot
  own that asset, or if it lacks or would lack an owner, then that
  asset becomes owned by the Lost and Found Department.

  Assets owned by the Lost and Found Department can, the backing
  document notwithstanding, be transferred or destroyed without
  objection.
}}}

Enact a new power-2 rule entitled "Asset Terminology", reading as
follows:
{{{
  When used by an asset's backing document in the definition of an
  asset's properties, the following terms are defined (subject to
  further modification by the backing document):
  - A fixed asset is one that CANNOT be transferred.
  - A liquid asset is one that CAN be transferred.
  - An indestructible asset is one that CANNOT be destroyed.
  - A destructible asset is one that CAN be destroyed.
  - A currency is a class of assets such that instances of that
asset with the same owner are fungible.

  The "X balance of Y", where X is a currency and Y is an entity, is
  the number of X owned by Y. To increase or decrease the X balance
  of some entity is to create or destroy the apropriate number of X
  in that entity's possession.

  When an entity is required to spend or pay an asset, including as a
  prerequisite for another action, e does so by destroying it or, if
  a recipient is specified in the requirement or permission,
  transferring it to that recipient. Each instance of spending or
  paying an asset is distinct; a player cannot satisfy multiple
  requirements to spend an asset simultaneously. When spending an
  asset, the player must clearly specify the purpose for which the
  asset is being spent; if it is ambiguous, then the payment is
  INEFFECTIVE.
}}}

Amend Rule 2483 (Economics) by deleting ", and the official currency of
Agora" and by appending "unless another recipient is specified, spending
shinies is done by transferring them to Agora".

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 7948-7953

[VJ Rada]

I was nearly like "maybe i should deregister to give agora more shinies"
and then i realized...

On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 1:31 PM, Owen Jacobson  wrote:

>
> > On Nov 16, 2017, at 6:05 PM, Alexis Hunt  wrote:
> >
> > On Sun, 12 Nov 2017 at 20:33 Aris Merchant <
> > thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I withdraw my support in light of zombies passing. I'll wait to object
> >> to see if anyone finds any more problems with the resolution.
> >>
> >> -Aris
> >>
> >
> > I deregister Ienpw III, Bayushi, and ProofTechnique, with 3 Agoran
> Consent,
> > resolving Telnaior's intent to do so. G., ATMunn, V.J Rada, and I
> > supported. Only V.J. Rada objected.
> >
> > -Alexis
>
> I’m accounting for this as follows:
>
> 2017-11-16 * Ienpw III, Bayushi, ProofTechnique deregistered
> Player:bayushi-50 Shinies = 0 Shinies
> Player:Ienpw III  -50 Shinies = 0 Shinies
> Player:ProofTechnique -24 Shinies = 0 Shinies
> Agora
>
> 2017-11-16 * Relevelling
> Agora-164 Shinies = 0 Shinies
> Relevelling:2017-11-16 (Deregistration)
>
> This leaves Agora with a balance of 0 sh., and 46 extra shinies sloshing
> around the system.
>
> -o
>
>


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DIS: Re: BUS: What the economy looks like without shinies.

[VJ Rada]

>- Rule 2506 (Blue Cards)

​Keep these: just make them apply to all assets illegally gained instead of
shinies.​


On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 2:04 PM, Alexis Hunt  wrote:

> Honestly, I think that some of the incoming economic reforms may really
> help. But in case those don't materialize, and with Parties looking to pass
> and provide an alternate economic system, here's a proposal to just excise
> shinies from the ruleset.
>
> (Sorry about zombie auctions; I'd love to see it re-enacted, but don't want
> to think about how to make them work in the Party-only world this proposal
> would create).
>
> Proposal: Terrible Economic Hack Job (AI=3.0)
> {{{
> Repeal, in the order given, the following rules:
> - Rule 2489 (Estates)
> - Rule 2488 (The Surveyor)
> - Rule 2491 (Estate Auctions)
> - Rule 2490 (Estate Ballots)
> - Rule 2504 (The Agronomist)
> - Rule 2502 (Agoraculture)
> - Rule 2501 (Farm Rate)
> - Rule 2503 (Comestibles)
> - Rule 2526 (Sustenance Payments)
> - Rule 1885 (Zombie Auctions)
> - Rule 2506 (Blue Cards)
> - Rule 2483 (Economics)
> - Rule 2487 (Shiny Supply Level)
> - Rule 2496 (Rewards)
> - Rule 2498 (Economic Wins)
> - Rule 2497 (Floating Value)
> - Rule 2499 (Welcome Packages)
> - Rule 2516 (Passive Income)
> - Rule 2456 (The Treasuror)
> - Rule 2500 (Action Points)
>
> Amend rule 991 (Calls for Judgement) by replacing the first paragraph
> with:
>   Any person (the initiator) can initiate a Call for Judgement (CFJ,
>   syn. Judicial Case) by announcement, specifying a statement to be
>   inquired into.
>
> Amend rule 2445 (How to Pend a Proposal) by replacing the second
> paragraph with:
>   Any player CAN flip a specified proposal's imminence to "pending"
>   by announcement.
>
> Amend rule 2514 (Emotions) by replacing "other kind acts, such as
> paying shinies to other players or pending other players' proposals."
> with "other kind acts, such as helping others perform actions they
> cannot afford."
>
> Amend rule 2522 (Contract Lifecycle) by replacing "A person CAN create a
> contract by announcement by transferring 1 shiny to Agora, specifying
> the contract's text." with "A person CAN create a contract by
> announcement, specifying the contract's text."
>
> Amend rule 2166 (Assets) by replacing
>   A contract's text can specify whether or not that contract is
>   willing to receive assets or a class of assets. Generally, a
>   contract CANNOT be given assets it is unwilling to receive. If the
>   contract is silent on the matter, or if its willingness is
>   indeterminate or the subject of a inextricable conditional, the
>   procedure to determine its willingness is as follows:
>
> 1. If the contract appears to anticipate being given assets,
>other than for sustenance (e.g. by authorizing parties to
>spend the contract's assets), then the contract is willing to
>receive all assets.
>
> 2. Otherwise, it is unwilling to receive all assets.
>
>   The previous paragraph (including the list) notwithstanding, a
>   contract CAN be given 1 shiny a month for its sustenance payment,
>   so long as it never has more than 1 shiny at a time.
> with
>   A contract's text can specify whether or not that contract is
>   willing to receive assets or a class of assets. Generally, a
>   contract CANNOT be given assets it is unwilling to receive. If the
>   contract is silent on the matter, or if its willingness is
>   indeterminate or the subject of a inextricable conditional, the
>   contract is unwilling to receive any assets.
> }}}
>



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>From V.J. Rada

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Joining the fun

[Owen Jacobson]

> On Nov 16, 2017, at 8:48 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus 
>  wrote:
> 
> Did you still net a profit from this?

Accounting only for the four 29 sh. payments, yes. I collected 118 sh. from 
Agora, but paid 116 sh. to other players, pocketing 2 sh. in profit. Accounting 
for the returned shinies, even more yes.

-o



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DIS: Note on updated rulesets

[Alexis Hunt]

I'll gladly provide anyone a copy of my then-up-to-date ruleset, until I
get web publication working again at which point I hope to remember to keep
the website up to date whenever I update a local copy. Probably slightly
higher priority than that is getting the headers back (indicating date,
last recorded proposal effect, etc.), though.

-Alexis

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Joining the fun

[Kerim Aydin]

On Fri, 17 Nov 2017, Alexis Hunt wrote:
> I won't be resigning, though; we need a rulekeepor and it's fun, and tailor
> is pretty trivial.

Good reminder.  Arbitor is fun for me atm when I'm not thinking about the
whole economy thing.  Unless someone is really dying to do it (doesn't sound 
like PSS was) I'll keep going on that a bit.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Joining the fun

[Kerim Aydin]

nichdel's recent proto-proposal combined with either of the two land
proposals sorta does this.  I looked at it yesterday with an eye towards 
proposing it (since e has been busy/not around), but the latest draft e
published still keeps (but changes) a bunch of the stamp stuff and I 
didn't want to wade through all that.

I think if we replace all this fluctuating currency value with much more
frequent auctions (i.e. for the land) we could have something.

On Fri, 17 Nov 2017, VJ Rada wrote:
> yeah no not blaming you specifically and you're right but this is a nomic
> for fun right? we have the economy for a fun game. and like... even if
> there's not a whole bunch of things to buy from Agora we do have contracts
> now, we have game mechanics. the solution isn't always fixing the rules
> (not that they don't need to be fixed) it's like...we're expecting new
> rules to change our behaviours whereas i feel like we'd have more spending
> if we just...spent more. and like, obviously i haven't been spending more
> than y'all or anything, i did have a contract idea but not sure if it would
> be well received.
> 
> idk maybe we should just abolish money: it's only really around for the
> sake of it rn, nobody's being benefited by having more money, even someone
> with like 15 shinies and one office can call as many cfjs as they want for
> weeks, make infinite proposals. we could just go all out on this land
> stuff. land gives you different benefits, you claim land by doing work for
> it or satisfying different conditions, offices come with land not money.
> whoever has the most land wins. then re-invent money after if we have to
> because people want to buy and sell land.
> 
> On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 1:11 PM, Alexis Hunt  wrote:
> 
> > +1.
> >
> > On Thu, 16 Nov 2017 at 21:11 Publius Scribonius Scholasticus <
> > p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > The main problem with the economy is not that I am acting rationally
> > > based off of the parameters. It is that as it stands, I have no use or
> > > reason to spend my money.
> > >
> > > On 11/16/2017 09:08 PM, VJ Rada wrote:
> > > > this is actually the main problem with the economy btw
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 1:05 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus <
> > > > p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> I will take Arbitor, if no one wants it, but I will not do so
> > happily. I
> > > >> agree with the sentiment and I plan to disengage from the economy and
> > > >> hoarde shinies until it is fixed.
> > > >>
> > > >> On 11/16/2017 09:03 PM, Alexis Hunt wrote:
> > > >>> On Thu, 16 Nov 2017 at 20:56 Kerim Aydin 
> > > wrote:
> > > >>>
> > >  On Thu, 16 Nov 2017, Owen Jacobson wrote:
> > > > None of these succeeded, as Agora only had 40 sh. by the time
> > Alexis
> > > > tried it. However, I think G. has a good point. With that in mind:
> > > >
> > > > * I pay Alexis 29
> > >  sh.
> > > > * I pay ATmunn 2
> > >  9 sh.
> > > > * I pay G. <
> > > https://maps.google.com/?q=*+I+pay+G.=gmail=g
> > >  29 sh.
> > > > * I pay Publius Scribonius Scholastic
> > >  us 29
> > sh.
> > > 
> > >  I pay o 29 sh.
> > > 
> > >  I resign Herald.
> > >  I'll catch up Arbitor before I resign that one.
> > > 
> > >  I flip my emotion to melancholy.
> > > 
> > >  This economy has been a hot mess for far too long.  I don't do
> > offices
> > >  for a reward in general, but it's extremely dispiriting to be on
> > this
> > >  ride at this point and expect to get ahead.  Donations don't
> > > >> particularly
> > >  help that feeling, though thanks for the offer.
> > > 
> > > >>> Hear, hear.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I won't be resigning, though; we need a rulekeepor and it's fun, and
> > > >> tailor
> > > >>> is pretty trivial.
> > > >> --
> > > >> 
> > > >> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > 
> > > Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> From V.J. Rada
>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Joining the fun

[VJ Rada]

yeah no not blaming you specifically and you're right but this is a nomic
for fun right? we have the economy for a fun game. and like... even if
there's not a whole bunch of things to buy from Agora we do have contracts
now, we have game mechanics. the solution isn't always fixing the rules
(not that they don't need to be fixed) it's like...we're expecting new
rules to change our behaviours whereas i feel like we'd have more spending
if we just...spent more. and like, obviously i haven't been spending more
than y'all or anything, i did have a contract idea but not sure if it would
be well received.

idk maybe we should just abolish money: it's only really around for the
sake of it rn, nobody's being benefited by having more money, even someone
with like 15 shinies and one office can call as many cfjs as they want for
weeks, make infinite proposals. we could just go all out on this land
stuff. land gives you different benefits, you claim land by doing work for
it or satisfying different conditions, offices come with land not money.
whoever has the most land wins. then re-invent money after if we have to
because people want to buy and sell land.

On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 1:11 PM, Alexis Hunt  wrote:

> +1.
>
> On Thu, 16 Nov 2017 at 21:11 Publius Scribonius Scholasticus <
> p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > The main problem with the economy is not that I am acting rationally
> > based off of the parameters. It is that as it stands, I have no use or
> > reason to spend my money.
> >
> > On 11/16/2017 09:08 PM, VJ Rada wrote:
> > > this is actually the main problem with the economy btw
> > >
> > > On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 1:05 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus <
> > > p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> I will take Arbitor, if no one wants it, but I will not do so
> happily. I
> > >> agree with the sentiment and I plan to disengage from the economy and
> > >> hoarde shinies until it is fixed.
> > >>
> > >> On 11/16/2017 09:03 PM, Alexis Hunt wrote:
> > >>> On Thu, 16 Nov 2017 at 20:56 Kerim Aydin 
> > wrote:
> > >>>
> >  On Thu, 16 Nov 2017, Owen Jacobson wrote:
> > > None of these succeeded, as Agora only had 40 sh. by the time
> Alexis
> > > tried it. However, I think G. has a good point. With that in mind:
> > >
> > > * I pay Alexis 29
> >  sh.
> > > * I pay ATmunn 2
> >  9 sh.
> > > * I pay G. <
> > https://maps.google.com/?q=*+I+pay+G.=gmail=g
> >  29 sh.
> > > * I pay Publius Scribonius Scholastic
> >  us 29
> sh.
> > 
> >  I pay o 29 sh.
> > 
> >  I resign Herald.
> >  I'll catch up Arbitor before I resign that one.
> > 
> >  I flip my emotion to melancholy.
> > 
> >  This economy has been a hot mess for far too long.  I don't do
> offices
> >  for a reward in general, but it's extremely dispiriting to be on
> this
> >  ride at this point and expect to get ahead.  Donations don't
> > >> particularly
> >  help that feeling, though thanks for the offer.
> > 
> > >>> Hear, hear.
> > >>>
> > >>> I won't be resigning, though; we need a rulekeepor and it's fun, and
> > >> tailor
> > >>> is pretty trivial.
> > >> --
> > >> 
> > >> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> >
> > --
> > 
> > Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> >
> >
> >
>



-- 
>From V.J. Rada

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Joining the fun

[Alexis Hunt]

+1.

On Thu, 16 Nov 2017 at 21:11 Publius Scribonius Scholasticus <
p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com> wrote:

> The main problem with the economy is not that I am acting rationally
> based off of the parameters. It is that as it stands, I have no use or
> reason to spend my money.
>
> On 11/16/2017 09:08 PM, VJ Rada wrote:
> > this is actually the main problem with the economy btw
> >
> > On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 1:05 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus <
> > p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I will take Arbitor, if no one wants it, but I will not do so happily. I
> >> agree with the sentiment and I plan to disengage from the economy and
> >> hoarde shinies until it is fixed.
> >>
> >> On 11/16/2017 09:03 PM, Alexis Hunt wrote:
> >>> On Thu, 16 Nov 2017 at 20:56 Kerim Aydin 
> wrote:
> >>>
>  On Thu, 16 Nov 2017, Owen Jacobson wrote:
> > None of these succeeded, as Agora only had 40 sh. by the time Alexis
> > tried it. However, I think G. has a good point. With that in mind:
> >
> > * I pay Alexis 29
>  sh.
> > * I pay ATmunn 2
>  9 sh.
> > * I pay G. <
> https://maps.google.com/?q=*+I+pay+G.=gmail=g
>  29 sh.
> > * I pay Publius Scribonius Scholastic
>  us 29 sh.
> 
>  I pay o 29 sh.
> 
>  I resign Herald.
>  I'll catch up Arbitor before I resign that one.
> 
>  I flip my emotion to melancholy.
> 
>  This economy has been a hot mess for far too long.  I don't do offices
>  for a reward in general, but it's extremely dispiriting to be on this
>  ride at this point and expect to get ahead.  Donations don't
> >> particularly
>  help that feeling, though thanks for the offer.
> 
> >>> Hear, hear.
> >>>
> >>> I won't be resigning, though; we need a rulekeepor and it's fun, and
> >> tailor
> >>> is pretty trivial.
> >> --
> >> 
> >> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
>
> --
> 
> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>
>
>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Joining the fun

[Publius Scribonius Scholasticus]

The main problem with the economy is not that I am acting rationally
based off of the parameters. It is that as it stands, I have no use or
reason to spend my money.

On 11/16/2017 09:08 PM, VJ Rada wrote:
> this is actually the main problem with the economy btw
>
> On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 1:05 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus <
> p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I will take Arbitor, if no one wants it, but I will not do so happily. I
>> agree with the sentiment and I plan to disengage from the economy and
>> hoarde shinies until it is fixed.
>>
>> On 11/16/2017 09:03 PM, Alexis Hunt wrote:
>>> On Thu, 16 Nov 2017 at 20:56 Kerim Aydin  wrote:
>>>
 On Thu, 16 Nov 2017, Owen Jacobson wrote:
> None of these succeeded, as Agora only had 40 sh. by the time Alexis
> tried it. However, I think G. has a good point. With that in mind:
>
> * I pay Alexis 29
 sh.
> * I pay ATmunn 2
 9 sh.
> * I pay G.  * I pay Publius Scribonius Scholastic
 us 29 sh.

 I pay o 29 sh.

 I resign Herald.
 I'll catch up Arbitor before I resign that one.

 I flip my emotion to melancholy.

 This economy has been a hot mess for far too long.  I don't do offices
 for a reward in general, but it's extremely dispiriting to be on this
 ride at this point and expect to get ahead.  Donations don't
>> particularly
 help that feeling, though thanks for the offer.

>>> Hear, hear.
>>>
>>> I won't be resigning, though; we need a rulekeepor and it's fun, and
>> tailor
>>> is pretty trivial.
>> --
>> 
>> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>>
>>
>>
>

-- 

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Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Joining the fun

[VJ Rada]

this is actually the main problem with the economy btw

On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 1:05 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus <
p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I will take Arbitor, if no one wants it, but I will not do so happily. I
> agree with the sentiment and I plan to disengage from the economy and
> hoarde shinies until it is fixed.
>
> On 11/16/2017 09:03 PM, Alexis Hunt wrote:
> > On Thu, 16 Nov 2017 at 20:56 Kerim Aydin  wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> On Thu, 16 Nov 2017, Owen Jacobson wrote:
> >>> None of these succeeded, as Agora only had 40 sh. by the time Alexis
> >>> tried it. However, I think G. has a good point. With that in mind:
> >>>
> >>> * I pay Alexis 29
> >> sh.
> >>> * I pay ATmunn 2
> >> 9 sh.
> >>> * I pay G.  >
> >> 29 sh.
> >>> * I pay Publius Scribonius Scholastic
> >> us 29 sh.
> >>
> >> I pay o 29 sh.
> >>
> >> I resign Herald.
> >> I'll catch up Arbitor before I resign that one.
> >>
> >> I flip my emotion to melancholy.
> >>
> >> This economy has been a hot mess for far too long.  I don't do offices
> >> for a reward in general, but it's extremely dispiriting to be on this
> >> ride at this point and expect to get ahead.  Donations don't
> particularly
> >> help that feeling, though thanks for the offer.
> >>
> > Hear, hear.
> >
> > I won't be resigning, though; we need a rulekeepor and it's fun, and
> tailor
> > is pretty trivial.
>
> --
> 
> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>
>
>


-- 
>From V.J. Rada

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Joining the fun

[Publius Scribonius Scholasticus]

I will take Arbitor, if no one wants it, but I will not do so happily. I
agree with the sentiment and I plan to disengage from the economy and
hoarde shinies until it is fixed.

On 11/16/2017 09:03 PM, Alexis Hunt wrote:
> On Thu, 16 Nov 2017 at 20:56 Kerim Aydin  wrote:
>
>>
>> On Thu, 16 Nov 2017, Owen Jacobson wrote:
>>> None of these succeeded, as Agora only had 40 sh. by the time Alexis
>>> tried it. However, I think G. has a good point. With that in mind:
>>>
>>> * I pay Alexis 29
>> sh.
>>> * I pay ATmunn 2
>> 9 sh.
>>> * I pay G. 
>> 29 sh.
>>> * I pay Publius Scribonius Scholastic
>> us 29 sh.
>>
>> I pay o 29 sh.
>>
>> I resign Herald.
>> I'll catch up Arbitor before I resign that one.
>>
>> I flip my emotion to melancholy.
>>
>> This economy has been a hot mess for far too long.  I don't do offices
>> for a reward in general, but it's extremely dispiriting to be on this
>> ride at this point and expect to get ahead.  Donations don't particularly
>> help that feeling, though thanks for the offer.
>>
> Hear, hear.
>
> I won't be resigning, though; we need a rulekeepor and it's fun, and tailor
> is pretty trivial.

-- 

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DIS: Re: BUS: Joining the fun

[Alexis Hunt]

On Thu, 16 Nov 2017 at 20:56 Kerim Aydin  wrote:

>
>
> On Thu, 16 Nov 2017, Owen Jacobson wrote:
> > None of these succeeded, as Agora only had 40 sh. by the time Alexis
> > tried it. However, I think G. has a good point. With that in mind:
> >
> > * I pay Alexis 29
> sh.
> > * I pay ATmunn 2
> 9 sh.
> > * I pay G. 
> 29 sh.
> > * I pay Publius Scribonius Scholastic
> us 29 sh.
>
> I pay o 29 sh.
>
> I resign Herald.
> I'll catch up Arbitor before I resign that one.
>
> I flip my emotion to melancholy.
>
> This economy has been a hot mess for far too long.  I don't do offices
> for a reward in general, but it's extremely dispiriting to be on this
> ride at this point and expect to get ahead.  Donations don't particularly
> help that feeling, though thanks for the offer.
>

Hear, hear.

I won't be resigning, though; we need a rulekeepor and it's fun, and tailor
is pretty trivial.

Re: DIS: Coordination of annotations

[Kerim Aydin]

On Thu, 16 Nov 2017, Alexis Hunt wrote:
> I would like to get more annotations into the FLR, but I do not have the
> time to go through CFJs and prepare them. G., are you going to continue
> suggesting annotations in a place that is easy for me to see? Or should
> judges do that?

These are the ones I noted since I started.  At least half of them I
think have been fixed in the Rules so they're moot now.  I'll met the
next Arbitor decide how best to handle going forward.


**3557 by Aris:  SHALL implies CAN, CAN implies CAN by announcement (if
no other method is specified.

**3558 by Publius S.S.:  Registering by publishing that you want to be a
player is a different mechanism than registering "by announcement" and
so gets around rules limitations on "registering by announcement".

**3564 by Gaelan:  A pledge can be broken only once (annotation not
needed following proposal 7901?)

**3567 by G.:  Dependent action intents aren't "by announcement"
actions, so a message saying it a lot of times can be read "naturally"
as counting as a single intent.  Also, supporting and objecting can be
done on groups of of intents (e.g. "I object to all intents to do X" works).

**3569 by Alexis:  Conditional votes generally work as expected, but
require a complex analysis to demonstrate this given the poor state of
the rules text, and with some subtleties (i.e. PRESENT doesn't work).
Endorsements create trust tokens on the "first level" of endorsement
only.  Also:  major Thesis!

**!3574 by Publius:  If a person is the head of an Agency and
deregisters, the Agency ceases being an Agency.  But if the person
re-registers, it becomes an Agency again. 

**3584 by o: Subject lines can contain actions under certain conditions
(uses multi-pronged test - annotate with ).

DIS: Re: BUS: Joining the fun

[Publius Scribonius Scholasticus]

Did you still net a profit from this?

On 11/16/2017 08:24 PM, Owen Jacobson wrote:
> On Nov 16, 2017, at 7:40 AM, Alexis Hunt  wrote:
>
>> I destroy my stamp for 59 shinies.
>
> On Nov 16, 2017, at 10:00 AM, ATMunn  wrote:
>
>> I also destroy my stamp, causing Agora to pay me 59 sh.
> On Nov 16, 2017, at 3:08 PM, Kerim Aydin  wrote:
>
>> I destroy one stamp I own, which I made, to cause Agora to pay me 59 sh.
>>
>> In the old days, we imposed a 24 hour waiting period when an officer could
>> instantly capitalize on a change made by eir report.  We should bring that
>> back.  (when I held a job like this that didn't have an official waiting
>> period, I pledged to do same).
> On Nov 16, 2017, at 3:32 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus 
>  wrote:
>
>> As do I, if possible.
> None of these succeeded, as Agora only had 40 sh. by the time Alexis tried 
> it. However, I think G. has a good point. With that in mind:
>
> * I pay Alexis 29 sh.
> * I pay ATmunn 29 sh.
> * I pay G. 29 sh.
> * I pay Publius Scribonius Scholasticus 29 sh.
>
> -o
>

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DIS: Re: BUS: Joining the fun

[Alexis Hunt]

Is Agora still at 40 shinies?

On Thu, 16 Nov 2017 at 20:24 Owen Jacobson  wrote:

> On Nov 16, 2017, at 7:40 AM, Alexis Hunt  wrote:
>
> > I destroy my stamp for 59 shinies.
>
>
> On Nov 16, 2017, at 10:00 AM, ATMunn  wrote:
>
> > I also destroy my stamp, causing Agora to pay me 59 sh.
>
> On Nov 16, 2017, at 3:08 PM, Kerim Aydin  wrote:
>
> > I destroy one stamp I own, which I made, to cause Agora to pay me 59 sh.
> >
> > In the old days, we imposed a 24 hour waiting period when an officer
> could
> > instantly capitalize on a change made by eir report.  We should bring
> that
> > back.  (when I held a job like this that didn't have an official waiting
> > period, I pledged to do same).
>
> On Nov 16, 2017, at 3:32 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus <
> p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > As do I, if possible.
>
> None of these succeeded, as Agora only had 40 sh. by the time Alexis tried
> it. However, I think G. has a good point. With that in mind:
>
> * I pay Alexis 29 sh.
> * I pay ATmunn 29 sh.
> * I pay G. 29 sh.
> * I pay Publius Scribonius Scholasticus 29 sh.
>
> -o
>
>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Stamps, Rewards

[ATMunn]

Same.

On 11/16/2017 3:33 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote:

I agree.

On 11/16/2017 03:08 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote:



On Thu, 16 Nov 2017, Owen Jacobson wrote:

I destroy one stamp I own, which I made, to cause Agora to pay me 59 sh.
I destroy one stamp I own, which I made, to cause Agora to pay me 59 sh.


I destroy one stamp I own, which I made, to cause Agora to pay me 59 sh.

In the old days, we imposed a 24 hour waiting period when an officer could
instantly capitalize on a change made by eir report.  We should bring that
back.  (when I held a job like this that didn't have an official waiting
period, I pledged to do same).

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] Weekly Report: 11-14-17

[ATMunn]

I'm stupid.

I accept o's CoE and publish the following revision:

=Metareport=
This report is effective as of the time of its publishing.

Date of last report: 2017-11-07
Date of this report: 2017-11-14

Total offices: 17
Filled offices: 94.11%
Consolidation: 52.94%
Late reports: 0%

OFFICES

Office Holder   SinceLast Election Interim?[3]
-
ADoP[1]ATMunn   2017-10-20   2017-10-20
ArbitorG.   2017-09-15   2017-09-21
Assessor   PSS[2]   2017-10-12   2017-10-12
Herald G.   2017-09-13   2017-09-13
Notary o2017-10-22   2017-10-30
Prime Minister Alexis   2017-10-20   2017-10-20
Promotor   Aris 2016-10-21   2017-09-21
RefereeV.J. Rada2017-10-24   2017-11-07
Registrar  PSS[2]   2017-04-18   2017-09-21
Regkeepor  Aris 2017-07-06   2017-09-13
Reportor   天火狐2017-09-13   2017-09-13
Rulekeepor Alexis   2017-11-06   2017-11-06
SpeakerQuazie   2017-10-09   2014-04-21
Surveyor   o2017-05-08   2017-11-06
Tailor Alexis   2017-10-01   2017-10-12
Treasuror  o2016-10-22   2017-09-21
-
[1] Associate Director of Personnel
[2] Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
[3] Interim offices are offices that are either vacant, or the holder
of the office was not elected to that office.

REPORTS

Office Monthly? ReportLast Published
Late[1]
-
ADoP[2] Offices   2017-11-14
Arbitor Judicial matters  2017-11-12
Herald YPatent titles 2017-10-27
Herald  Matters of Honour 2017-11-12
Notary  Contracts 2017-11-07
PromotorProposal pool 2017-11-12
Referee Rule violations   2017-11-13
Registrar   Players, Fora 2017-11-12
Registrar  YPlayer history2017-10-31
Regkeepor   Regulations   2017-11-12
ReportorThe Agoran Newspaper  2017-11-12
Rulekeepor  Short Logical Ruleset 2017-11-11
Rulekeepor YFull Logical Ruleset  2017-10-22
SurveyorEstates   2017-11-07
Tailor YRibbons   2017-11-02
Treasuror   Shinies & FV[3]   2017-11-07
-
[1] ! = 1 period missed. !! = 2 periods missed. !!! = 3+ periods missed.
[2] Associate Director of Personnel
[3] Floating Value

ELECTIONS

Office Initiated   Phase  Candidates
-

-

On 11/16/2017 3:05 PM, VJ Rada wrote:

The position no longer exists.

On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 1:26 AM, ATMunn  wrote:


Haven't? You were elected on 2017-11-06, and I think the office was vacant
before that.


On 11/16/2017 12:03 AM, Owen Jacobson wrote:


CoE: I haven’t been the Agronomist since Oct. 24th.

-o

OFFICES


Office Holder   SinceLast Election
  Interim?[3]

-
ADoP[1]ATMunn   2017-10-20   2017-10-20
Agronomist o2017-11-06   2017-11-06
ArbitorG.   2017-09-15   2017-09-21
Assessor   PSS[2]   2017-10-12   2017-10-12
Herald G.   2017-09-13   2017-09-13
Notary o2017-10-22   2017-10-30
Prime Minister Alexis   2017-10-20   2017-10-20
Promotor   Aris 2016-10-21   2017-09-21
RefereeV.J. Rada2017-10-24   2017-11-07
Registrar  PSS[2]   2017-04-18   2017-09-21
Regkeepor  Aris 2017-07-06   2017-09-13
Reportor   天火狐2017-09-13   2017-09-13
Rulekeepor Alexis   2017-11-06   2017-11-06
SpeakerQuazie   2017-10-09   2014-04-21
Surveyor   o2017-05-08   2017-11-06
Tailor 

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 7948-7953

[VJ Rada]

ooh, supply value implications all up in this place

On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 10:16 AM, Alexis Hunt  wrote:

> On Thu, 16 Nov 2017 at 18:12 Alex Smith  wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 2017-11-16 at 23:05 +, Alexis Hunt wrote:
> > > I deregister Ienpw III, Bayushi, and ProofTechnique, with 3 Agoran
> > > Consent,
> > > resolving Telnaior's intent to do so. G., ATMunn, V.J Rada, and I
> > > supported. Only V.J. Rada objected.
> >
> > V.J. Rada both supported and objected? I can't remember offhand if
> > that's possible, but it's unlikely to be an intentional choice.
> >
> > --
> > ais523
> >
>
> E did, and as far as I can tell e changed eir mind but forgot to withdraw
> the support.
>



-- 
>From V.J. Rada

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 7948-7953

[Alexis Hunt]

On Thu, 16 Nov 2017 at 18:12 Alex Smith  wrote:

> On Thu, 2017-11-16 at 23:05 +, Alexis Hunt wrote:
> > I deregister Ienpw III, Bayushi, and ProofTechnique, with 3 Agoran
> > Consent,
> > resolving Telnaior's intent to do so. G., ATMunn, V.J Rada, and I
> > supported. Only V.J. Rada objected.
>
> V.J. Rada both supported and objected? I can't remember offhand if
> that's possible, but it's unlikely to be an intentional choice.
>
> --
> ais523
>

E did, and as far as I can tell e changed eir mind but forgot to withdraw
the support.

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 7948-7953

[Alex Smith]

On Thu, 2017-11-16 at 23:05 +, Alexis Hunt wrote:
> I deregister Ienpw III, Bayushi, and ProofTechnique, with 3 Agoran
> Consent,
> resolving Telnaior's intent to do so. G., ATMunn, V.J Rada, and I
> supported. Only V.J. Rada objected.

V.J. Rada both supported and objected? I can't remember offhand if
that's possible, but it's unlikely to be an intentional choice.

-- 
ais523

DIS: Re: BUS: Stamps, Rewards

[Publius Scribonius Scholasticus]

I agree.

On 11/16/2017 03:08 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote:
>
>
> On Thu, 16 Nov 2017, Owen Jacobson wrote:
>> I destroy one stamp I own, which I made, to cause Agora to pay me 59 sh.
>> I destroy one stamp I own, which I made, to cause Agora to pay me 59 sh.
>
> I destroy one stamp I own, which I made, to cause Agora to pay me 59 sh.
>
> In the old days, we imposed a 24 hour waiting period when an officer could
> instantly capitalize on a change made by eir report.  We should bring that
> back.  (when I held a job like this that didn't have an official waiting
> period, I pledged to do same).
>
>
>
>
>

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DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] Weekly Report: 11-14-17

[VJ Rada]

The position no longer exists.

On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 1:26 AM, ATMunn  wrote:

> Haven't? You were elected on 2017-11-06, and I think the office was vacant
> before that.
>
>
> On 11/16/2017 12:03 AM, Owen Jacobson wrote:
>
>> CoE: I haven’t been the Agronomist since Oct. 24th.
>>
>> -o
>>
>> OFFICES
>>>
>>> Office Holder   SinceLast Election
>>>  Interim?[3]
>>> 
>>> -
>>> ADoP[1]ATMunn   2017-10-20   2017-10-20
>>> Agronomist o2017-11-06   2017-11-06
>>> ArbitorG.   2017-09-15   2017-09-21
>>> Assessor   PSS[2]   2017-10-12   2017-10-12
>>> Herald G.   2017-09-13   2017-09-13
>>> Notary o2017-10-22   2017-10-30
>>> Prime Minister Alexis   2017-10-20   2017-10-20
>>> Promotor   Aris 2016-10-21   2017-09-21
>>> RefereeV.J. Rada2017-10-24   2017-11-07
>>> Registrar  PSS[2]   2017-04-18   2017-09-21
>>> Regkeepor  Aris 2017-07-06   2017-09-13
>>> Reportor   天火狐2017-09-13   2017-09-13
>>> Rulekeepor Alexis   2017-11-06   2017-11-06
>>> SpeakerQuazie   2017-10-09   2014-04-21
>>> Surveyor   o2017-05-08   2017-11-06
>>> Tailor Alexis   2017-10-01   2017-10-12Y
>>> Treasuror  o2016-10-22   2017-09-21
>>> 
>>> -
>>> [1] Associate Director of Personnel
>>> [2] Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>>> [3] Interim offices are offices that are either vacant, or the holder
>>> of the office was not elected to that office.
>>>
>>
>>


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>From V.J. Rada