Re: DIS: Politician Naming

On Sat, 18 Nov 2017, Madeline wrote: Since the party proposal is set to be passing, I'd like to get some good pun names brought in for our array of Politicians. I can offer rewards too (likely a shiny or two per name), and you'll be sparing us all from a terrible fate of auspol jokes! Mad

Re: DIS: The land reforms I kept on talking up

On Sat, Nov 18, 2017 at 9:59 PM, Reuben Staley wrote: > > So I should just have the first two paragraphs plus the little "changes are > secured" thing? Yep. In fact, you really shouldn't need even the changes are secured. They're restricted, and that's probably good

Re: DIS: The land reforms I kept on talking up

It's an a-d draft anyway, so it doesn't matter. -Aris On Sat, Nov 18, 2017 at 10:59 PM, Reuben Staley wrote: > Oh, oops. Looks like I didn't write that it was a proposal anywhere. The > proposal starting at the first set of square brackets is PAoAM v2 by Trigon > with

Re: DIS: The land reforms I kept on talking up

quick comments: -You get rid of shinies then have land auctions in shinies (only reason I wanted to keep shinies around was for these auctions, so not obvious to me what to replace them with if you want auctions - which I do!) - seems like you're keeping AP? Might make more sense to ditch

Re: DIS: The land reforms I kept on talking up

On 11/18/2017 9:37 PM, Aris Merchant wrote: On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 9:17 PM, Reuben Staley wrote: I'm done with a very, very rough draft of this proposal. Tell me how you all think it looks. = Title: "Putting Agora on a Map" AI: 2 Author: Trigon Co-Authors:

Re: DIS: The land reforms I kept on talking up

Oh gosh, so many things I didn't even consider. Some of your questions involve my rationale in creating the finished version you see. So I'll have to explain my mindset. Here we go. On 11/18/2017 9:05 PM, Aris Merchant wrote: On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 3:28 PM, Reuben Staley

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Surveyor] Weekly Report

NttPF. Greetings, Ørjan. On Thu, 16 Nov 2017, VJ Rada wrote: Thu, 09 Nov 2017 08:50:46 V.J Rada bought the Estate of Erehwon for 1,011 shinies ​CoE: this is disputed.​ On Thu, Nov 16, 2017 at 4:29 PM, Owen Jacobson wrote: Recent events (all times UTC) Tue, 09 May

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 7965-7972

Um, nope, still discussion. Greetings, Ørjan. On Thu, 16 Nov 2017, VJ Rada wrote: thanks telnaior. pf. On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 10:49 AM, VJ Rada wrote: I vote ID Author(s) AI TitlePender Pend fee

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Contract (Designating reportor)

On Sun, 12 Nov 2017, Aris Merchant wrote: Amend Rule 2525, Interpreting Contracts, by: Removing item 6 of the numbered list and renumbering appropriately; and Changing the phrase "failing protected action" to read "failing to preform a protected action". I think you mean "perform".

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Reportor] Agora Sky News vol 7

On Sun, 12 Nov 2017, ATMunn wrote: I agree. I think e said e was going to be pretty busy for a month or two, but still. Also, the wrapping is messed up. The wrapping of eir newspapers was always messed up on the plain text version, and now that the HTML version (which looked fine in my

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] Initiating Decisions Correctly

On Mon, 6 Nov 2017, Josh T wrote: Apparently, I just need to cast a vote to avoid being given a humiliating reminder, so for all pending proposals whose valid options include FOR and AGAINST, I vote PURPLE. I understand this is effectively "PRESENT", but that's not what I'm casting it as in

Re: DIS: Proto-proto proposal

On Fri, 3 Nov 2017, VJ Rada wrote: I think the last time this was asked about, G. said they started being used somewhere between 1993/4. So they have a long pedigree haha :). Well the last time I recall, I pointed out that Spivak pronouns were used in Agora's original ruleset, and Originator

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3585 assigned to V.J. Rada

On Mon, 30 Oct 2017, VJ Rada wrote: The text of the rules (2168) say that PSS was obligated to "issue a humiliating public reminder to the slackers who have not yet cast any votes on it despite being eligible". PSS literally used the words "humiliating public reminder", addressing all those who

Re: DIS: The land reforms I kept on talking up

On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 9:17 PM, Reuben Staley wrote: > I'm done with a very, very rough draft of this proposal. Tell me how you all > think it looks. > > = > > Title: "Putting Agora on a Map" > AI: 2 > Author: Trigon > Co-Authors: > > The square brackets are not

Re: DIS: The land reforms I kept on talking up

On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 3:28 PM, Reuben Staley wrote: > > Okay, so here's my plan: I love this. A few suggestions. > 1. Ditch shinies. > > 2. Three different production zmetah exist: Farm, Mine, Orchard. When you say that they produce things, do you mean they do it

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Rulekeepor] Short Logical Ruleset

On Sat, 18 Nov 2017 at 21:43 ATMunn wrote: > Unofficial CoE: Miscelaneous is spelled wrong, it should be miscellaneous. Noted, but I want to redo these categories anyhow.

Re: DIS: CoE on FLR

Fixed, thanks. On Fri, 17 Nov 2017 at 16:05 Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > (In discussion so unofficial): > > Missing whitespace in R869, likely from re-wrapping: > CANNOT otherwise bind a person to abide by any agreementwithout > > > >

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Rulekeepor] Full Logical Ruleset

Nice catch, fixed. On Sat, 18 Nov 2017 at 13:52 Corona wrote: > Claim of Error: > > R2452 "Trust Tokens", annotation CFJ 3569 - [...] C does not thereby > issue a Trust Token to A. > > Should be replaced with (without the asterisks): *A* does not thereby > issue a

Re: DIS: The land reforms I kept on talking up

On Sat, 18 Nov 2017, Aris Merchant wrote: > On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 7:51 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > On Tue, 14 Nov 2017, ATMunn wrote: > >> The only problem I see with this right off the bat is that G. has already > >> made > >> a draft proposal dealing with land in

Re: DIS: The land reforms I kept on talking up

I was planning on having the Treasuror track all the currencies when I wrote up my revised report until people brought up the idea of different officers doing it. I guess the people who track each of them should be decided by you all. Additionally, maybe giving monetary rewards to people who

Re: DIS: The land reforms I kept on talking up

On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 7:51 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > On Tue, 14 Nov 2017, ATMunn wrote: >> The only problem I see with this right off the bat is that G. has already >> made >> a draft proposal dealing with land in a different way (see DIS: SimAgora >> 2000). These

Re: DIS: The land reforms I kept on talking up

On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 3:54 PM, Owen Jacobson wrote: > On Nov 17, 2017, at 6:52 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > >> I really like this sort of combo-system as a principle - but what do >> recordkeepors think? > > I’d be up for it on a trial basis. It _is_ a lot

Re: DIS: The land reforms I kept on talking up

I have to agree with P.S.S. Promotor is already a lot of work, as (I'm guessing) is Arbitor. I don't want to have to start tracking a part of the economy in addition to proposals. I'd suggest pragmatising CFJs and proposals. Make so that if the Arbitor assigns a CFJ, it exists, with the Arbitor as

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Minimal economic fix

On Sat, 18 Nov 2017, Corona wrote: > I'm not sure how would pegging Floating Value to the number of sh. > Agora had at the end of the month would play out, Since Agora's shinies are destroyed right near the beginning of the month, the "end of the month balance" is meant to be an estimate of

DIS: Gimme CFJs

I volunteer for the "Night court" (I do indeed have enough time to assign judgements in 4 days).

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Minimal economic fix

Huh? Totally missed that! So embarrassing! Sorry G. On 11/18/17, VJ Rada wrote: > People can buy stamps only once a month, so that's not really a problem i > don't think. > > On Sun, Nov 19, 2017 at 9:21 AM, Corona > wrote: > >> I'm not sure how

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Minimal economic fix

People can buy stamps only once a month, so that's not really a problem i don't think. On Sun, Nov 19, 2017 at 9:21 AM, Corona wrote: > I'm not sure how would pegging Floating Value to the number of sh. > Agora had at the end of the month would play out, but I

DIS: Re: BUS: Minimal economic fix

I'm not sure how would pegging Floating Value to the number of sh. Agora had at the end of the month would play out, but I object to creating money by destroying other players' stamps - players can create and destroy stamps at an unlimited rate, so they could set up auto-trading contracts to earn

DIS: Re: BUS: Dumb proposal

I still object. On Sat, Nov 18, 2017, 17:13 VJ Rada, wrote: > Actually my intent was ineffective (no reason given). > > Let's try again: I intend to call in ATMunn's pledge stating e will pend or > retract eir proposal in 7 days, with Agoran consent, for the reason that e >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Fingers

Makes sense. On 11/18/2017 4:53 PM, Owen Jacobson wrote: On 11/18/2017 4:38 PM, VJ Rada wrote: I pledgw that I paid for the Estate of Dawsburgen. On Nov 18, 2017, at 4:47 PM, ATMunn wrote: What do you mean by pledging that you did something? Under the current rules, pledges don’t do

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Fingers

On 11/18/2017 4:38 PM, VJ Rada wrote: > I pledgw that I paid for the Estate of Dawsburgen. On Nov 18, 2017, at 4:47 PM, ATMunn wrote: > What do you mean by pledging that you did something? Under the current rules, pledges don’t do anything on their own, and there’s no formal connection

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Fingers

On Sat, 2017-11-18 at 16:47 -0500, ATMunn wrote: > What do you mean by pledging that you did something? A pledge is basically like a promise. You can make promises about things that happened in the past in addition to things that will happen in the future, so I don't see why pledges would be any

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Fingers

Means if the CFJ is judged past the statute of limitations, y'all can still call it in & punish me. On Sun, Nov 19, 2017 at 8:47 AM, ATMunn wrote: > What do you mean by pledging that you did something? > > > On 11/18/2017 4:38 PM, VJ Rada wrote: > >> Yes, I will wait >>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Fingers

What do you mean by pledging that you did something? On 11/18/2017 4:38 PM, VJ Rada wrote: Yes, I will wait That reminds me? I think the statute of limitatins has passed since I may have failed to pay for that estate. I pledgw that I paid for the Estate of Dawsburgen. Also, what happened to

DIS: Re: BUS: Fingers

Yes, I will wait That reminds me? I think the statute of limitatins has passed since I may have failed to pay for that estate. I pledgw that I paid for the Estate of Dawsburgen. Also, what happened to that CFJ? On Sun, Nov 19, 2017 at 5:43 AM, Owen Jacobson wrote: > If the

Re: DIS: GitHub request

Nyet. git submodule add https://github.com/AgoraNomic/Header _includes will create an _includes subdirectory in the current directory, check out the current master of https://github.com/AgoraNomic/Header in it, and link that into the repository you’re working in as a submodule. This needs to

Re: DIS: GitHub request

So here would I just do: git submodule add https://github.com/AgoraNomic/Header https://github.com/AgoraNomic/ADoP-old/tree/master/_includes On 11/18/2017 2:14 PM, Owen Jacobson wrote: With the caveat that submodules have really bad user experience _even by the standards of Git’s

Re: DIS: Re: BUS:

On Sat, 18 Nov 2017, ATMunn wrote: > Haha, I think we've all forgotten about sarcasm online before. > > Also, I believe that the "proposal" G. mentioned is not an actual proposal, > but more of an outline for one. In in actual proposal, the numbers would > likely be rounded to the nearest

Re: DIS: GitHub request

> On Nov 18, 2017, at 1:52 PM, Alex Smith wrote: > > On Sat, 2017-11-18 at 13:46 -0500, Owen Jacobson wrote: >>> On Nov 18, 2017, at 1:45 PM, Owen Jacobson >>> wrote: >>> >>> As Aris said, it’s a submodule. What you’re looking at there is the >>>

Re: DIS: GitHub request

With the caveat that submodules have really bad user experience _even by the standards of Git’s awful UX_: git submodule add https://github.com/AgoraNomic/Header some-directory with “some-directory” replaced with whatever’s useful in the context where you want to include it. To

Re: DIS: GitHub request

On Sat, 2017-11-18 at 13:46 -0500, Owen Jacobson wrote: > > On Nov 18, 2017, at 1:45 PM, Owen Jacobson > > wrote: > > > > As Aris said, it’s a submodule. What you’re looking at there is the > > metadata Git keeps to determine which repository, and which commit > > in that other

Re: DIS: The land reforms I kept on talking up

On Sat, 2017-11-18 at 10:32 -0800, Corona wrote: > Yeah, and there's the anti-ossification rule for the worst case. > By the way, could someone explain to me what is the distinction > between the possibility and legality of an action in Agora? From what > I gather, it seems to be that illegal

Re: DIS: The land reforms I kept on talking up

See rule 2152, "Mother May I?" An action that is ILLEGAL is something that can be done, but it violates the rule in question. Doing something ILLEGAL will, unless it somehow goes uncaught, result in a card. Most of the time, the action still works, though. An IMPOSSIBLE action is literally

DIS: Re: BUS: Make the goal reachable

You don't necessarily have to restate the action when you TTttPF. If you just reply to the NttPF message with TTttPF, most officers who deal with whatever the action is will just read the original message. On 11/18/2017 1:36 PM, Corona wrote: (Whoops. TTttPF) I pend G.'s proposal with AP

Re: DIS: GitHub request

So, how would I get that into my new repo? On 11/18/2017 1:45 PM, Owen Jacobson wrote: As Aris said, it’s a submodule. What you’re looking at there is the metadata Git keeps to determine which repository, and which commit in that other repository, to use to reconstruct that directory when

Re: DIS: GitHub request

> On Nov 18, 2017, at 1:45 PM, Owen Jacobson wrote: > > As Aris said, it’s a submodule. What you’re looking at there is the metadata > Git keeps to determine which repository, and which commit in that other > repository, to use to reconstruct that directory when needed. > >

Re: DIS: GitHub request

As Aris said, it’s a submodule. What you’re looking at there is the metadata Git keeps to determine which repository, and which commit in that other repository, to use to reconstruct that directory when needed. Fortunately, Github links through to the other repository. The root of

Re: DIS: Re: BUS:

@o: I was not being serious about the outrageousness of Agora not being able to go into debt. I should've remembered that there are no cues to sarcasm on the Internet. As for the economy, I trust that at least one of the upcoming proposals will work, but since you asked: a cycle of inflating

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Ribbon Auctions

I don't think Black would necessarily be a "scam ribbon". One could obtain the Black Ribbon by a completely honest proposal - they would just have to incentivize other players to vote for it. True, the "incentive" may take the form of money, but also endorsements on other votes etc. I'm for

Re: DIS: GitHub request

I had tried to copy it, but there's no way to copy this https://github.com/AgoraNomic/ADoP-old/tree/master/_includes as it doesn't appear to be a file. I'm not very familiar with Git, so I have no idea what that is or how it got there. On 11/14/2017 2:31 PM, Aris Merchant wrote: It's a