Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Cartographor] Land Auctions for April week 2, part 2
True. We should probably add that to a general disambiguation rule. Seems to pop up a lot. -Aris On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 10:26 PM, Ørjan Johansen wrote: > On Thu, 19 Apr 2018, Corona wrote: > >> As for the split message, I sent the first one accidentally and the " >> ...for the purpose of paying for the land I won." part was just meant as a >> clarification to players. I believe that the payment works even without >> explicitly stating the purpose, as the relevant rule does not require that. > > > Interesting. That makes it possible to cheat by managing to have a payment > count for more than one auction (or possibly some other purpose that doesn't > state payments have to be exclusively for it, if there are any.) > > Greetings, > Ørjan.
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Cartographor] Land Auctions for April week 2, part 2
On Thu, 19 Apr 2018, Corona wrote: As for the split message, I sent the first one accidentally and the " ...for the purpose of paying for the land I won." part was just meant as a clarification to players. I believe that the payment works even without explicitly stating the purpose, as the relevant rule does not require that. Interesting. That makes it possible to cheat by managing to have a payment count for more than one auction (or possibly some other purpose that doesn't state payments have to be exclusively for it, if there are any.) Greetings, Ørjan.
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Cartographor] Land Auctions for April week 2, part 2
Oh well. I'd at least argue that Quazie's payment to Agora didn't succeed, as e didn't win a land unit. IIRC somebody stated that there is a consensus that with explicit purpose (I do X to/for Y), the action doesn't happen if it couldn't fulfill the purpose. As for the split message, I sent the first one accidentally and the " ...for the purpose of paying for the land I won." part was just meant as a clarification to players. I believe that the payment works even without explicitly stating the purpose, as the relevant rule does not require that. ~Corona On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 6:24 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > On Thu, 19 Apr 2018, Ørjan Johansen wrote: > > > I transfer 1 coin to Quazie and Ouazie pays 1 coin to Agora for the > > > land e won, me acting on eir behalf > > If Quazie didn't have the coin when the auction ended, eir bid was > cancelled (R2551): >When an Auction ends, any bid placed by an entity which does not >own enough of the Auction's currency to pay the amount specified >in the bid is automatically withdrawn. > > >
Re: DIS: Proto: More Advanced Land Features
I'm not a fan of the purple. I'd like to keep the traditional go board for a while, even if we're not playing go on it. -Aris On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 5:15 PM Reuben Staley wrote: > CHANGES: >- Added Purple land type to better match P4471 >- Got rid of first part >- Added more land type changing rules >- Made it more fun in general >- Also patched a bug > > Title: Q*Bert the Second > AI: 2 > Author: Trigon > Co-authors: G., Corona > > Amend rule 1995 "Land Types" by doing the following: > > Replacing the first paragraph with: > >Each Unit of Land has a Land Type switch, tracked by the >Cartographor. Possible values are: > >1. Black >2. White >3. Gray >4. Purple >5. Aether (the default) > >Changes to Land Type switches are secured. To "change the type" >of, or to "transform" a Unit of Land is to flip its Type switch. A >“Unit of X” is a Unit of Land whose Land Type switch has the value >X. > > and replacing the first word of the final paragraph with "Alternating > Land Type". > > Re-enact rule 2046 (Power=1.0) "Q*Bert (tm)" [1] > > Rename rule 2046 to "Q*Bert" > > Amend rule 2046 by replacing its text, in its entirety, with: > >Q*Bert is an entity which has a location. Q*Bert CAN be on a unit >of Aether. > >Q*Bert has a color switch, tracked by the Cartographor, whose >possible values are all defined Land Type other than Aether or >Gray. The default value is Purple. When Q*Bert moves to a Land >Unit, if the current type of the unit is not the same as Q*Bert's >color switch, Q*Bert changes that space's type to the value of eir >color switch. > >Every week, the Cartographor CAN and SHALL move Q*Bert using the >following process: > >1. If Q*Bert is on the same Land Unit as another entity, the > Cartographor SHALL select a Land Unit adjacent to Q*Bert's > current position and move em there. > >2. Otherwise, the Cartographor SHALL select a Land Unit whose > longitude and latitude both differ from Q*Bert's by exactly > one. > >If, after Q*Bert has moved, e is on a Preserved Land Unit, the >Cartographor SHALL repeat the process above, moving Q*Bert until e >is no longer on a Preserved Land Unit. > >If the type of the Land Unit that Q*Bert is located on is >switched by an entity that is not Q*Bert, Q*Bert's color switch is >set to that type instead. > >Whenever Q*Bert is moved to (0, 0), the Cartographor CAN and SHALL >choose a random valid Land Type and set Q*Bert's color switch to >it. > >Q*Bert can also be referred to as QxBert or Qxbert, where x >represents any punctuation character (i.e. Q-Bert, Q^bert) > > [1] Full History for Rulekeepor: > > Created by Proposal 4471 "Q-bert" (OscarMeyr), Mar 19, 2003 > Repealed by Proposal 4486 "Of what worth honor?" (Michael; with Goethe, >Murphy), Apr 23, 2003 > > On 04/18/2018 12:17 AM, Reuben Staley wrote: > > Title: More Advanced Land Features > > AI: 1 > > Author: Trigon > > Co-authors: > > > > Create a new rule (Power=1.0) entitled "Winning by Ownership" with the > > text: > > > >If, at any time, a single player owns more Land Units than all > >other entities combined, e wins the game. > > > > Re-enact rule 2046 (Power=1.0) "Q*Bert (tm)" [1] > > > > Rename rule 2046 to "Q*Bert" > > > > Amend rule 2046 by replacing its text, in its entirety, with: > > > >Q*Bert is an entity which has a location. Q*Bert CAN be on a unit > >of Aether. > > > >Q*Bert has a color switch, which is a defined Land Type other than > >Aether or Gray and defaults to Black. When Q*Bert moves to a Land > >Unit, if the current type of the unit is not the same as Q*Bert's > >color switch, Q*Bert changes that space's type to the value of eir > >color switch. > > > >Every week, the Cartographor CAN and SHALL move Q*Bert using the > >following process: > > > >1. If Q*Bert is on the same Land Unit as another entity, the > > Cartographor SHALL select a Land Unit adjacent to Q*Bert's > > current position and move em there. > > > >2. Otherwise, the Cartographor SHALL select a Land Unit whose > > longitude and latitude both differ from Q*Bert's by exactly > > one. > > > >If, after Q*Bert has moved, e is on a Preserved Land Unit, the > >Cartographor SHALL repeat the process above, moving Q*Bert until e > >is no longer on a Preserved Land Unit. > > > >If the type of the Land Unit that Q*Bert is located on is > >switched by an entity that is not Q*Bert, Q*Bert's color switch is > >set to that type instead. > > > > [1] Full History for Rulekeepor: > > > > Created by Proposal 4471
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Cartographor] Land Auctions for April week 2, part 2
On Thu, 19 Apr 2018, Ørjan Johansen wrote: > > I transfer 1 coin to Quazie and Ouazie pays 1 coin to Agora for the > > land e won, me acting on eir behalf If Quazie didn't have the coin when the auction ended, eir bid was cancelled (R2551): When an Auction ends, any bid placed by an entity which does not own enough of the Auction's currency to pay the amount specified in the bid is automatically withdrawn.
DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Cartographor] Land Auctions for April week 2, part 2
So did you just pay 1 coin or 2, and if the former, did it count as paying for the auction? By rule 2166, "paid" is a general synonym for "transferred", and in general actions are not allowed to be modified by future messages. Greetings, Ørjan. On Wed, 18 Apr 2018, Corona wrote: ...for the purpose of paying for the land I won. I transfer 1 coin to Quazie and Ouazie pays 1 coin to Agora for the land e won, me acting on eir behalf ~Corona On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 6:04 AM, Corona wrote: If the auction actually exists, I pay 1 coin to Agora ~Corona On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 2:56 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: I pay 8 coins to agora to pay for this here land thing I just won. On Tue, 17 Apr 2018, Reuben Staley wrote: I resolve the current single land auction as follows: by bid --- Aris 12 x Corona 6 x Quazie 6 Corona 1 Quazie 1 ATMunn 10 G. 8 1: the black land unit at (+1, +2) -- Aris wins 2: the white land unit at (+1, +3) -- ATMunn wins 3: the black land unit at (+2, 0) -- G. wins 4: the white land unit at (+2, +1) -- Corona wins 5: the black land unit at (+2, +2) -- Quazie wins please transfer your dinky numbers of coins to Agora soon. On 04/13/2018 01:50 AM, Reuben Staley wrote: Might as well try to do these still, right? There are currently 5 public, unpreserved, non-aether land units in existence. All 5 are put up for auction. For the following auction, I am the announcer, Agora is the auctioneer, the minimum bid is 1 coin, and the lots are: 1: the black land unit at (+1, +2) 2: the white land unit at (+1, +3) 3: the black land unit at (+2, 0) 4: the white land unit at (+2, +1) 5: the black land unit at (+2, +2) -- -- Trigon
Re: DIS: Vote for me!
On Mon, 16 Apr 2018, ATMunn wrote: Also, are my messages showing up for everyone else as not being wrapped? When I'm typing, the message shows up as being wrapped, but when I look at the message after it's been sent, it's not wrapped. (like, for example, this message shows up as 5 lines right now, but will probably be 2 or 3 when I send it) That message shows up wrapped for me (in Alpine), and the wrapping changes when I resize the window. In my mailbox file there are five lines. Your message has the header line Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed "flowed" is a mail standard format supposed to indicate this kind of wrapping. However, I vaguely recall reading that GMail for some incomprehensible reason doesn't support it, although I *thought* that was for sending, not reading. Greetings, Ørjan.
Re: DIS: Proto: More Advanced Land Features
CHANGES: - Added Purple land type to better match P4471 - Got rid of first part - Added more land type changing rules - Made it more fun in general - Also patched a bug Title: Q*Bert the Second AI: 2 Author: Trigon Co-authors: G., Corona Amend rule 1995 "Land Types" by doing the following: Replacing the first paragraph with: Each Unit of Land has a Land Type switch, tracked by the Cartographor. Possible values are: 1. Black 2. White 3. Gray 4. Purple 5. Aether (the default) Changes to Land Type switches are secured. To "change the type" of, or to "transform" a Unit of Land is to flip its Type switch. A “Unit of X” is a Unit of Land whose Land Type switch has the value X. and replacing the first word of the final paragraph with "Alternating Land Type". Re-enact rule 2046 (Power=1.0) "Q*Bert (tm)" [1] Rename rule 2046 to "Q*Bert" Amend rule 2046 by replacing its text, in its entirety, with: Q*Bert is an entity which has a location. Q*Bert CAN be on a unit of Aether. Q*Bert has a color switch, tracked by the Cartographor, whose possible values are all defined Land Type other than Aether or Gray. The default value is Purple. When Q*Bert moves to a Land Unit, if the current type of the unit is not the same as Q*Bert's color switch, Q*Bert changes that space's type to the value of eir color switch. Every week, the Cartographor CAN and SHALL move Q*Bert using the following process: 1. If Q*Bert is on the same Land Unit as another entity, the Cartographor SHALL select a Land Unit adjacent to Q*Bert's current position and move em there. 2. Otherwise, the Cartographor SHALL select a Land Unit whose longitude and latitude both differ from Q*Bert's by exactly one. If, after Q*Bert has moved, e is on a Preserved Land Unit, the Cartographor SHALL repeat the process above, moving Q*Bert until e is no longer on a Preserved Land Unit. If the type of the Land Unit that Q*Bert is located on is switched by an entity that is not Q*Bert, Q*Bert's color switch is set to that type instead. Whenever Q*Bert is moved to (0, 0), the Cartographor CAN and SHALL choose a random valid Land Type and set Q*Bert's color switch to it. Q*Bert can also be referred to as QxBert or Qxbert, where x represents any punctuation character (i.e. Q-Bert, Q^bert) [1] Full History for Rulekeepor: Created by Proposal 4471 "Q-bert" (OscarMeyr), Mar 19, 2003 Repealed by Proposal 4486 "Of what worth honor?" (Michael; with Goethe, Murphy), Apr 23, 2003 On 04/18/2018 12:17 AM, Reuben Staley wrote: Title: More Advanced Land Features AI: 1 Author: Trigon Co-authors: Create a new rule (Power=1.0) entitled "Winning by Ownership" with the text: If, at any time, a single player owns more Land Units than all other entities combined, e wins the game. Re-enact rule 2046 (Power=1.0) "Q*Bert (tm)" [1] Rename rule 2046 to "Q*Bert" Amend rule 2046 by replacing its text, in its entirety, with: Q*Bert is an entity which has a location. Q*Bert CAN be on a unit of Aether. Q*Bert has a color switch, which is a defined Land Type other than Aether or Gray and defaults to Black. When Q*Bert moves to a Land Unit, if the current type of the unit is not the same as Q*Bert's color switch, Q*Bert changes that space's type to the value of eir color switch. Every week, the Cartographor CAN and SHALL move Q*Bert using the following process: 1. If Q*Bert is on the same Land Unit as another entity, the Cartographor SHALL select a Land Unit adjacent to Q*Bert's current position and move em there. 2. Otherwise, the Cartographor SHALL select a Land Unit whose longitude and latitude both differ from Q*Bert's by exactly one. If, after Q*Bert has moved, e is on a Preserved Land Unit, the Cartographor SHALL repeat the process above, moving Q*Bert until e is no longer on a Preserved Land Unit. If the type of the Land Unit that Q*Bert is located on is switched by an entity that is not Q*Bert, Q*Bert's color switch is set to that type instead. [1] Full History for Rulekeepor: Created by Proposal 4471 (OscarMeyr) 9 Apr. 2003 Repealed by Proposal 4486 (Michael; with Goethe, Murphy) 23 Apr. 2003 -- Trigon -- -- Trigon
DIS: The open CFJs
I think there are two CFJs which players intended to assign themselves: they should now do so. -- >From V.J. Rada
Re: DIS: Proto: More Advanced Land Features
On Wed, 18 Apr 2018, Reuben Staley wrote: > Q*Bert has a color switch, add "tracked by the cartographer"
Re: DIS: Proto: More Advanced Land Features
Yay! Q*Bert might come back! Also, I move to split the proposal. OscarMeyr
