Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Voting CFJs

[Kerim Aydin]

No, it's standard to fail second ballots when people forget to retract
their first one.  That's why the last sentence of R683 defines "changing"
a vote, so voters can use that term as a shorthand - but you still have
to use it explicitly.

On Tue, 27 Nov 2018, Jacob Arduino wrote:
> My second CFJ states re: 8138, not 8136. These might be too nitpicky, but
> I'd rather deal with it now than see you disenfranchised for something
> silly.
> 
> On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 12:26 AM Gaelan Steele  wrote:
> 
> > Bah, do we need to explicitly retract votes? For clarity: I retract any
> > previous votes on 8136, then I ENDORSE whoever would otherwise be the last
> > person to vote FOR on 8136.
> >
> > And not sure what you mean by endorsing “two”—my record of the original
> > message I sent contains “ENDORSE V.J. Rada”.
> >
> > Gaelan
> >
> > > On Nov 26, 2018, at 8:34 PM, Jacob Arduino 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > CFJ: Gaelan's second ballot on Proposal 8136 is invalid.
> > > Supporting statement: Rule 683/25 requires that "6. The voter has no
> > other
> > > valid ballots on the same decision." This condition is not met, since
> > > Gaelan already submitted a ballot for Proposal 8136.
> > >
> > > CFJ: Gaelan's ballot on Proposal 8138 is invalid.
> > > Supporting statement: Rule 683/25 requires that "4. The ballot clearly
> > > identifies a *valid* vote, as determined by the voting method" (emphasis
> > > mine). However, Gaelan has endorsed "two" on Proposal 8138, and there was
> > > no player named "two" at the beginning of the voting period.
> > >
> > > By Rule 991/29, I bar Gaelan from judging both/either of these CFJs, for
> > > obvious reasons.
> > >
> > > - Jacob Arduino
> >
> >
>

DIS: Re: BUS: Voting CFJs

[Jacob Arduino]

My second CFJ states re: 8138, not 8136. These might be too nitpicky, but
I'd rather deal with it now than see you disenfranchised for something
silly.

On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 12:26 AM Gaelan Steele  wrote:

> Bah, do we need to explicitly retract votes? For clarity: I retract any
> previous votes on 8136, then I ENDORSE whoever would otherwise be the last
> person to vote FOR on 8136.
>
> And not sure what you mean by endorsing “two”—my record of the original
> message I sent contains “ENDORSE V.J. Rada”.
>
> Gaelan
>
> > On Nov 26, 2018, at 8:34 PM, Jacob Arduino 
> wrote:
> >
> > CFJ: Gaelan's second ballot on Proposal 8136 is invalid.
> > Supporting statement: Rule 683/25 requires that "6. The voter has no
> other
> > valid ballots on the same decision." This condition is not met, since
> > Gaelan already submitted a ballot for Proposal 8136.
> >
> > CFJ: Gaelan's ballot on Proposal 8138 is invalid.
> > Supporting statement: Rule 683/25 requires that "4. The ballot clearly
> > identifies a *valid* vote, as determined by the voting method" (emphasis
> > mine). However, Gaelan has endorsed "two" on Proposal 8138, and there was
> > no player named "two" at the beginning of the voting period.
> >
> > By Rule 991/29, I bar Gaelan from judging both/either of these CFJs, for
> > obvious reasons.
> >
> > - Jacob Arduino
>
>

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8133-8138

[Aris Merchant]

No, with this workflow all error correction is on the Assessor's end. This
is, IMO, a good thing, because it provides more time for inconsequential
typos introduced by the Promotor to be brought to light.

-Aris

On Sun, Nov 25, 2018 at 3:56 PM Kerim Aydin  wrote:

>
>
> On Sun, 25 Nov 2018, Aris Merchant wrote:
>
> > I hereby distribute each listed proposal...
>
> [...]
>
> > The proposal pool is currently empty.
>
> Random question:  with this workflow, is there ever a self-ratification
> that a proposal existed and was in the pool?  (not that it matters too
> much because the Assessor's voting report ratifies the whole process at
> the end - though as a decision not as a proposal - I'm just curious).
>
>
>
>

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: Ballot for Proposals 8133-8138

[Aris Merchant]

1. You can forward it to BUS with a message like “for the public record”,
so that everyone can find it. If you’d sent it to DIS, then it wouldn’t
have taken effect, because DIS isn’t a public forum. In that case, you’d
reply it to BUS with the formula “TTttPF” (this time to the public forum),
causing it to actually have an effect on the game. By the way, if you’re
letting someone know that they made that error, you say “NttPF” (not to the
public forum).

2. Calling CFJs and judging them both happen on BUS, although when there
are official summaries, those go to OFF. If you have questions of
interpretation, as a new player, it’s usually best to ask on DIS, because
the answer may be well established.

Hope this helps!

-Aris

On Mon, Nov 26, 2018 at 4:49 PM Jacob Arduino 
wrote:

> Oh, okay.  A couple quick questions: should I repost in Business, or just
> be careful in the future?  Also, CFJs go in Business, right?
> Thanks, - Jacob Arudino
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> On Mon, Nov 26, 2018 at 7:01 PM ATMunn  wrote:
>
> > FYI, things such as voting and the like are usually sent to the
> > agora-business list, not agora-official. Official is really only used
> > for reports, and maybe some other office-related duties.
> >
> > On 11/26/2018 6:17 PM, Jacob Arduino wrote:
> > > Votes inline - Jacob Arduino
> > >
> > > IDAuthor(s)   AITitle
> > >
> >
> ---
> > > 8133  Trigon  1.0   Proposals aren't worth *that* much
> > > ENDORSE Trigon
> > >
> > > 8134  G.  2.0   The judge switch
> > > ENDORSE G
> > >
> > > 8135  twg, D Margaux  2.0   Blot Decay (Reprise)
> > > ENDORSE twg if the  Agoran Decision of Proposal 8133 has been resolved
> > > AGAINST otherwise
> > >
> > > 8136  V.J. Rada   3.0   I hate myself
> > > ENDORSE whoever would otherwise be the last person to vote FOR.
> > >
> > > 8137  Aris, twg, Trigon   3.0   Uncorrecting Rewards
> > > ENDORSE twg if the  Agoran Decision of Proposal 8133 has been resolved
> > > AGAINST otherwise
> > >
> > > 8138  twg 2.5   Access to contracts' assets
> > > ENDORSE twg if the  Agoran Decision of Proposal 8133 has been resolved
> > > AGAINST otherwise
> > >
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Re: DIS: Re: OFF: Ballot for Proposals 8133-8138

[ais...@alumni.bham.ac.uk]

On Mon, 2018-11-26 at 19:48 -0500, Jacob Arduino wrote:
> Oh, okay.  A couple quick questions: should I repost in Business, or
> just be careful in the future?  Also, CFJs go in Business, right?

Now that you've posted it, it may as well be posted. Rules-wise, the
public fora are all equivalent to each other, so the only reason to use
a particular public forum is to make it easier for other people to find
your posts. (There have been a few attempted scams in which people
intentionally posted messages to the wrong public forum in the hope
that the messages would be missed, but that tends to be self-defeating
due to the Streisand Effect.)

The general rule is that things go to -official if they're officer
reports that help players understand the gamestate; if you want to know
what the state of the game is at the moment, you can check through the
reports in -official to find the one that describes what you want to
know about. Individual voting posts aren't a very helpful form for
that, so the Assessor will post a summary of all the votes for the
record to -official once the voting period has ended, but the voting
posts themselves go to -business.

CFJs go to -business; a helpful rule for this is that if you want to
take a game action but are doing so voluntarily (rather than because
you have a duty to do so), it always goes to -business. (There's an
exception for actions that are highly related to, and prompted by, a
report; however, even posting those along with the report can be
controversial.)

-- 
ais523

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: Ballot for Proposals 8133-8138

[Jacob Arduino]

Oh, okay.  A couple quick questions: should I repost in Business, or just
be careful in the future?  Also, CFJs go in Business, right?
Thanks, - Jacob Arudino


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On Mon, Nov 26, 2018 at 7:01 PM ATMunn  wrote:

> FYI, things such as voting and the like are usually sent to the
> agora-business list, not agora-official. Official is really only used
> for reports, and maybe some other office-related duties.
>
> On 11/26/2018 6:17 PM, Jacob Arduino wrote:
> > Votes inline - Jacob Arduino
> >
> > IDAuthor(s)   AITitle
> >
> ---
> > 8133  Trigon  1.0   Proposals aren't worth *that* much
> > ENDORSE Trigon
> >
> > 8134  G.  2.0   The judge switch
> > ENDORSE G
> >
> > 8135  twg, D Margaux  2.0   Blot Decay (Reprise)
> > ENDORSE twg if the  Agoran Decision of Proposal 8133 has been resolved
> > AGAINST otherwise
> >
> > 8136  V.J. Rada   3.0   I hate myself
> > ENDORSE whoever would otherwise be the last person to vote FOR.
> >
> > 8137  Aris, twg, Trigon   3.0   Uncorrecting Rewards
> > ENDORSE twg if the  Agoran Decision of Proposal 8133 has been resolved
> > AGAINST otherwise
> >
> > 8138  twg 2.5   Access to contracts' assets
> > ENDORSE twg if the  Agoran Decision of Proposal 8133 has been resolved
> > AGAINST otherwise
> >
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DIS: Re: OFF: Ballot for Proposals 8133-8138

[ATMunn]

FYI, things such as voting and the like are usually sent to the 
agora-business list, not agora-official. Official is really only used 
for reports, and maybe some other office-related duties.


On 11/26/2018 6:17 PM, Jacob Arduino wrote:

Votes inline - Jacob Arduino

IDAuthor(s)   AITitle
---
8133  Trigon  1.0   Proposals aren't worth *that* much
ENDORSE Trigon

8134  G.  2.0   The judge switch
ENDORSE G

8135  twg, D Margaux  2.0   Blot Decay (Reprise)
ENDORSE twg if the  Agoran Decision of Proposal 8133 has been resolved
AGAINST otherwise

8136  V.J. Rada   3.0   I hate myself
ENDORSE whoever would otherwise be the last person to vote FOR.

8137  Aris, twg, Trigon   3.0   Uncorrecting Rewards
ENDORSE twg if the  Agoran Decision of Proposal 8133 has been resolved
AGAINST otherwise

8138  twg 2.5   Access to contracts' assets
ENDORSE twg if the  Agoran Decision of Proposal 8133 has been resolved
AGAINST otherwise


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