Re: DIS: Re: [@Treasuror] Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Stonemason] December Stone Auction Resolution
Le 13/12/2020 à 23:28, Reuben Staley via agora-discussion a écrit : > > On 12/10/20 8:46 AM, ATMunn via agora-discussion wrote: >> On 12/9/2020 11:12 PM, Lucidiot via agora-discussion wrote: >>> Le 10/12/2020 à 02:35, ATMunn via agora-business a écrit : On 12/9/2020 8:30 PM, ATMunn via agora-business wrote: > On 12/9/2020 7:13 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-official wrote: >> This auction was a selective-bid auction. The awardees are as follows: >> [Protection Stone] -> Murphy for 135 coins. >> [Sabotage Stone] -> Murphy for 130 coins. >> [Wealth Stone] -> ATMunn for 169 coins. > > I pay a fee of 169 coins to transfer the Wealth Stone from Agora to > myself (for real this time). > I wield my Wealth Stone in order to cause myself to earn 5 boatloads of coins (23 coins). >>> >>> There was a mistake in the rounding method in the Floating Rate >>> Schedule, it's actually 24 coins. >>> (ceiling(4.6212*5) = 24, but Trigon used floor) >>> >>> I don't know if it should be CoE'd >>> >> >> I think it's fine as long as the Treasuror records it correctly. The >> important thing is that I wielded the stone and specified myself. >> > > Indeed, Rule 2645 specifies that wielding the stone performs the effect > instantly. The boatloads and its translation into coins were > supplemental effects. Also, for future reference, Claims of Error are > reserved for inaccuracies in reports. In this case the action just > failed and the best you could do would be to inform the player of such > thing. > Sorry, I wasn't clear enough: I meant CoEing the Floating Rate Schedule, since the conversion table is slightly off. I just wanted to avoid extra confusion in the next Forbes, since some can wonder why they got one extra coin. -- ~lucidiot
DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Ministor] Monthly Report
On 12/6/20 8:32 PM, Falsifian via agora-business wrote: Economy Coins = Economy focused players evenly split a pot of 50 boatloads of coins. This currently equals roughly 183 coins*. There are 3 Economy focused players, each one may grant emself 61 coins. * Rounded here for readability, but the real rounding only happens after the split, which is why the numbers may not appear to add up here. The Total Buoyancy was adjusted after this was sent. I think I'm now entitled to ceiling(4.6212 * 50 / 3) = 78 Coins. I grant the Ministry of Economy's Grant to myself. As do I. -- Trigon ¸¸.•*¨*• Play AGORA QUEST I’m always happy to become a party to contracts. I LOVE SPAGHETTI transfer Jason one coin nch was here I hereby don't... trust... the dragon... don't... trust... the dragon... Do not Construe Jason's message with subject TRIGON as extending this
Re: DIS: Re: [@Treasuror] Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Stonemason] December Stone Auction Resolution
On 12/10/20 8:46 AM, ATMunn via agora-discussion wrote: On 12/9/2020 11:12 PM, Lucidiot via agora-discussion wrote: Le 10/12/2020 à 02:35, ATMunn via agora-business a écrit : On 12/9/2020 8:30 PM, ATMunn via agora-business wrote: On 12/9/2020 7:13 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-official wrote: This auction was a selective-bid auction. The awardees are as follows: [Protection Stone] -> Murphy for 135 coins. [Sabotage Stone] -> Murphy for 130 coins. [Wealth Stone] -> ATMunn for 169 coins. I pay a fee of 169 coins to transfer the Wealth Stone from Agora to myself (for real this time). I wield my Wealth Stone in order to cause myself to earn 5 boatloads of coins (23 coins). There was a mistake in the rounding method in the Floating Rate Schedule, it's actually 24 coins. (ceiling(4.6212*5) = 24, but Trigon used floor) I don't know if it should be CoE'd I think it's fine as long as the Treasuror records it correctly. The important thing is that I wielded the stone and specified myself. Indeed, Rule 2645 specifies that wielding the stone performs the effect instantly. The boatloads and its translation into coins were supplemental effects. Also, for future reference, Claims of Error are reserved for inaccuracies in reports. In this case the action just failed and the best you could do would be to inform the player of such thing. -- Trigon ¸¸.•*¨*• Play AGORA QUEST I’m always happy to become a party to contracts. I LOVE SPAGHETTI transfer Jason one coin nch was here I hereby don't... trust... the dragon... don't... trust... the dragon... Do not Construe Jason's message with subject TRIGON as extending this
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Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3891 Assigned to G.
On Tue, Dec 08, 2020 at 02:22:57PM +, nix via agora-discussion wrote: > > On 12/8/20 8:16 AM, nix via agora-discussion wrote: > > but you can also track each specific one, and transfer a specific one if > > you so desired. > > So I double-checked and I'm just wrong here. When a unit of btc is added > to a wallet, it becomes indistinguishable from the others in the wallet. > Each wallet only lists a total, so if A and B transfer 5 btc each to C > and C transfer 5 btc to D, there's no way to say if they were A or B's > originally. Somewhat off the original topic, but with Bitcoin at least, it's somewhere in between. If A and B each transfer 5 btc to C, and then C wants to transfer 2 btc to D, C (or C's software) must actually must choose how to account for those 2 btc in terms of explicitly specified past transactions. For example: * C could make a new transactions where the 5 btc transaction from A is the "input" and there are two "outputs": 2 btc to D and 3 btc back to C. * Similarly, the transaction from B could be an input. * E could also make it ambiguous, by making it so that both A's and B's transactions are inputs to the new transaction. Then the new transaction should have a 2 btc output going to D and 8 btc going back to C. (C could also send the 8 btc to someone else or divide it further.) -- Falsifian
Re: Proto: Specified Crime not Rule Re: DIS: Re: BUS: @Referee Re: OFF: [ADoP] Metareport
On Sun, Dec 13, 2020 at 11:19:39AM -0500, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via
agora-discussion wrote:
> On 12/6/20 7:01 PM, nix via agora-business wrote:
> >
> > On 12/6/20 5:57 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote:
> >> On 12/6/20 6:56 PM, nix via agora-business wrote:
> >>> I point a finger at me for Tardiness on the Webmastor report.
> >>>
> >>> I point a finger at G. for Tardiness on the Coopor report.
> >>
> >> Maybe doesn't work for lack of a rule specification:
> >>
> >>>A player CAN by announcement, but subject to the provisions of
> >>>this rule, Point eir Finger at a person (the perp) who plays the
> >>>game; the announcement has to explicitly name the perp and cite a
> >>>specific rule and an alleged violation of that rule by that
> >>>person.
> >> --
> >> Jason Cobb
> >>
> >> Assessor, Rulekeepor, Stonemason
> >>
> > Well that's obtuse. Why do we name the crimes if the names aren't
> > sufficient identifiers?
> >
> > If I didn't already do so in my last message, I point a finger at me for
> > Tardiness on the Webmastor report, citing rule 2143.
> >
> > If I didn't already do so in my last message, I point a finger at G. for
> > Tardiness on the Coopor report, citing rule 2143.
> >
>
> We made it that specific after someone had made very vague accusations.
>
> Title: Specified Crime not Rule
> Authors: PSS, nix
> Power: 1.7
> Text: {
> Amend Rule 2478, "Vigilante Justice" by replacing the first paragraph
> with the following:
> A player CAN by announcement, but subject to the provisions of
> this rule, Point eir Finger at a person (the perp) who plays the
> game; the announcement has to explicitly name the perp and cite a
> specific rule and an alleged violation of that rule by that
> person or a named crime alleged to have been committed by that
> person.
I had a bit of trouble parsing the part after the semicolon (maybe due
to "and ... and ... or" without bracketing). Also your phrasing doesn't
require the Pointer to point out how the perp committed the crime (in
the case of a rule they have to include "an alleged violation"). How
about
...the announcement has to explicitly name the perp, cite a
specific rule or named crime, and specify an alleged violation of
that rule or commission of that crime by that person.
--
Falsifian
Proto: Specified Crime not Rule Re: DIS: Re: BUS: @Referee Re: OFF: [ADoP] Metareport
On 12/6/20 7:01 PM, nix via agora-business wrote:
>
> On 12/6/20 5:57 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote:
>> On 12/6/20 6:56 PM, nix via agora-business wrote:
>>> I point a finger at me for Tardiness on the Webmastor report.
>>>
>>> I point a finger at G. for Tardiness on the Coopor report.
>>
>> Maybe doesn't work for lack of a rule specification:
>>
>>>A player CAN by announcement, but subject to the provisions of
>>>this rule, Point eir Finger at a person (the perp) who plays the
>>>game; the announcement has to explicitly name the perp and cite a
>>>specific rule and an alleged violation of that rule by that
>>>person.
>> --
>> Jason Cobb
>>
>> Assessor, Rulekeepor, Stonemason
>>
> Well that's obtuse. Why do we name the crimes if the names aren't
> sufficient identifiers?
>
> If I didn't already do so in my last message, I point a finger at me for
> Tardiness on the Webmastor report, citing rule 2143.
>
> If I didn't already do so in my last message, I point a finger at G. for
> Tardiness on the Coopor report, citing rule 2143.
>
We made it that specific after someone had made very vague accusations.
Title: Specified Crime not Rule
Authors: PSS, nix
Power: 1.7
Text: {
Amend Rule 2478, "Vigilante Justice" by replacing the first paragraph
with the following:
A player CAN by announcement, but subject to the provisions of
this rule, Point eir Finger at a person (the perp) who plays the
game; the announcement has to explicitly name the perp and cite a
specific rule and an alleged violation of that rule by that
person or a named crime alleged to have been committed by that
person.
[ This will allow someone to use the name of a crime without specifying
which rule defines it. ]
}
I still want to do broader criminal changes when I get around to that,
but it's a huge project and this is a quick fix.
--
Publius Scribonius Scholasticus, Herald, Referee, Tailor, Pirate
Champion, Badge of the Great Agoran Revival, Badge of the Salted Earth
