Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8861 and 8862
On 10/23/22 19:31, ais523 via agora-discussion wrote: > My first thought is that the Recursion Stone protecting itself every > month probably isn't interesting gameplay. Good note, I'll look at it. > My second thought is that Stones are the sort of thing that only really > works when the rest of the economy is active, so that they have more > things to interact with and so that the opportunity cost of spending > coins is more interesting. My current thought is to move towards a High Score based economy, with the idea that we have a few games that feed into score (like Horses already does) and that's the primary place wins come from. So I think the next step for stones is to replace coin stones with point-oriented stones that would presumably also make good targets for the stealing and protecting stones. -- nix Herald
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8861 and 8862
On Sun, 2022-10-23 at 19:53 +, nix via agora-discussion wrote: > On 10/23/22 14:30, ziproot via agora-business wrote: > > I vote AGAINST (birds are no longer in the game and should not be > > referenced if we're updating stones, and the power stone has been > > confirmed via CFJs 3396 and 3997 to be useless). > > Good notes. I'll fix this either way if this passes or fails. Interested > in general feedback on other stones as well, either tweaks or new ideas. My first thought is that the Recursion Stone protecting itself every month probably isn't interesting gameplay. My second thought is that Stones are the sort of thing that only really works when the rest of the economy is active, so that they have more things to interact with and so that the opportunity cost of spending coins is more interesting. -- ais523
DIS: Re: OFF: [Mad Engineer] Experiment 00057 - Rule Selection
On 10/23/22 18:50, Jason Cobb via agora-official wrote: > EXPERIMENT 00056 RULE SELECTION This should be 00057, my bad. -- Jason Cobb Assessor, Mad Engineer, Rulekeepor, Stonemason
DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 4000 Assigned to Murphy
G. wrote: [A nice historical question for the occasion!] The below CFJ is CFJ FOUR THOUSAND (4000). I assign it to Murphy. status: https://faculty.washington.edu/kerim/nomic/cases/#4000 === CFJ 4000 === It is round 2,098. == Caller:nix Judge: Murphy == History: Called by nix:20 Oct 2022 17:20:44 Assigned to Murphy: [now] == Caller's Arguments: Rounds are defined in R1023 alongside pivots: A pivot is either the instant at which Agora Nomic began (June 30, 1993, 00:04:30 GMT +1200) or an instant at which at least one person won the game. When used as a period of time, a "Round" (historical syn: "game") is the period of time between a pivot and the next pivot. FOR: By my calculations, there have been 2,097 wins. If each win is a pivot that starts a new round, then this is round 2,098. AGAINST: However, rounds are defined as "the period of time between a pivot and the next pivot". Many wins have happened in the same message (notably Jason won 1000 times in one message). Messages are considered to happen instantaneously but sequentially. Arguably, there is no "period of time" between these wins, and no rounds occurred between them. If this is the case, then we are closer to round 599. == As the caller notes, there can be multiple events occurring at the same instant. The pivot is defined as the instant, not the individual events. The most recent Herald's report lists (by my count) 1714 distinct wins, including Jason x1000 (which I believe were indeed simultaneous) and D. Margaux x501 (likewise). Whatever the exact number of rounds currently is, it clearly isn't nearly as high as 2098. I judge FALSE.
DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8861 and 8862
On 10/23/22 14:30, ziproot via agora-business wrote: > I vote AGAINST (birds are no longer in the game and should not be > referenced if we're updating stones, and the power stone has been > confirmed via CFJs 3396 and 3997 to be useless). Good notes. I'll fix this either way if this passes or fails. Interested in general feedback on other stones as well, either tweaks or new ideas. -- nix Herald
