DIS: Re: BUS: Re: B Nomic

2009-02-23 Thread Alex Smith
On Mon, 2009-02-23 at 11:40 -0800, Kerim Aydin wrote: On Mon, 23 Feb 2009, Jay Campbell wrote: I intend, without objection, to flip the Recognition of B Nomic to Abandoned. Ooh, power struggle. Anyone care to explain? Meanwhile, don't remember if j is a player here: I Object. B

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: B Nomic

2009-02-23 Thread Alex Smith
On Mon, 2009-02-23 at 14:18 -0800, Ed Murphy wrote: Note that A has purportedly a rule to the effect of text within [[ and ]] - can someone please explain why they think that B is broken on this issue but A is not? Because within has a different meaning to between; it implies that /enclosing/

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Champion's Contests

2009-02-26 Thread Alex Smith
On Thu, 2009-02-26 at 08:43 -0800, Taral wrote: On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 5:04 AM, Alex Smith ais...@bham.ac.uk wrote: A contest's contestmaster CAN transfer ownership of or destroy a Medal in that contest's possession, but only as explicitly described by the contest's text; one exception

DIS: Re: BUS: Day 1: The Defendant Steps out of His Box. Day 2: The Defendant is Eaten by Vines.

2009-02-27 Thread Alex Smith
On Thu, 2009-02-26 at 17:56 -0800, Kerim Aydin wrote: On Thu, 26 Feb 2009, comex wrote: On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 8:32 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: Notice of Violation: Actor: ehird. Action: Failure to publish a an apology explaining eir error, shame,

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Support Plutocracy

2009-02-27 Thread Alex Smith
On Thu, 2009-02-26 at 13:33 -0800, Ed Murphy wrote: Proposal: Support Plutocracy (AI = 2, please) Create a rule titled Support Plutocracy with Power 2 and this text: A player CAN, with 4 support, change a democratic decision with Adoption Index less than 3 to be ordinary.

DIS: Re: BUS: Enigma as a Champion's Contest

2009-02-27 Thread Alex Smith
On Fri, 2009-02-27 at 08:14 -0500, Geoffrey Spear wrote: On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 7:48 AM, Alex Smith ais...@bham.ac.uk wrote: I intend, without two objections, to create a Medal in the possession of Enigma. I object. I don't trust the contestmaster of Enigma not to form a scam alliance

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Short Logical Ruleset

2009-02-27 Thread Alex Smith
On Fri, 2009-02-27 at 14:44 +, Alex Smith wrote: On Fri, 2009-02-27 at 09:41 -0500, Geoffrey Spear wrote: On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 12:34 PM, comex com...@gmail.com wrote: THE SHORT LOGICAL RULESET I publish an NoV accusing comex of violating R2223, a Power-2 Rule, by failing

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Democracy When Reasonable

2009-02-27 Thread Alex Smith
On Fri, 2009-02-27 at 09:51 -0500, Geoffrey Spear wrote: On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 9:49 AM, Aaron Goldfein aarongoldf...@gmail.com wrote: A player CAN, with 2 support, change an ordinary decision to be democratic provided the voting of the people has not already commenced The voting of the

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: Proposal: Democracy When Reasonable

2009-02-27 Thread Alex Smith
On Fri, 2009-02-27 at 08:54 -0600, Aaron Goldfein wrote: On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 8:49 AM, Aaron Goldfein aarongoldf...@gmail.com wrote: Proposal: Democracy When Reasonable (AI = 2, II = 0) { Change the text of rule 2142, Support Democracy from: A player

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Democracy When Reasonable

2009-02-27 Thread Alex Smith
On Fri, 2009-02-27 at 10:00 -0500, Geoffrey Spear wrote: On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 9:55 AM, Alex Smith ais...@bham.ac.uk wrote: On Fri, 2009-02-27 at 09:51 -0500, Geoffrey Spear wrote: On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 9:49 AM, Aaron Goldfein aarongoldf...@gmail.com wrote: A player CAN, with 2

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Democracy When Reasonable

2009-02-27 Thread Alex Smith
On Fri, 2009-02-27 at 15:05 +, Alex Smith wrote: Ah, good point. Probably the first intent will fail then, though. (It would definitely fail if someone forms a contract that defines Medal in the meantime.) The second intent should still succeed, though. Ah, I see what was going on. CFJ

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Short Logical Ruleset

2009-02-27 Thread Alex Smith
On Fri, 2009-02-27 at 08:47 -0800, Ed Murphy wrote: Wooble wrote: I intend, with Support, to publish an NoV accusing H. Rulekeepor comex of violating Rule 2215, a Power 1 Rule, by publishing a copy of the ruleset which doesn't include the rule created by P6072, in an attempt to mislead

DIS: Some vague protos (in the Support Plutocracy thread)

2009-02-27 Thread Alex Smith
On Fri, 2009-02-27 at 08:52 -0800, Ed Murphy wrote: ais523 wrote: On Thu, 2009-02-26 at 13:33 -0800, Ed Murphy wrote: Proposal: Support Plutocracy (AI = 2, please) Create a rule titled Support Plutocracy with Power 2 and this text: A player CAN, with 4 support, change a

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Democracy When Reasonable

2009-02-27 Thread Alex Smith
On Fri, 2009-02-27 at 09:56 -0800, Kerim Aydin wrote: On Fri, 27 Feb 2009, Alex Smith wrote: I intend, without two objections, to create a Medal (as defined by the rule which will be created by my Champion's Contests proposal if it passes) in the possession of Enigma. I Object

DIS: Re: BUS: Enigma as a Champion's Contest

2009-02-27 Thread Alex Smith
On Fri, 2009-02-27 at 10:03 -0800, Kerim Aydin wrote: On Fri, 27 Feb 2009, Alex Smith wrote: I intend, without two objections, to create a Medal in the possession of Enigma. If I am not a member of Enigma, I join Enigma. I object to the proposed change in the Enigma contest text

Re: DIS: Advanced draft advanced notice

2009-02-27 Thread Alex Smith
On Fri, 2009-02-27 at 12:32 -0800, Kerim Aydin wrote: Please check the following for errors/wording improvement/bugs? It breaks badly if more than one method is specified, With support and without objection becomes rather insane under those definitions (I can't figure out what happens at all

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: ok, there e is

2009-02-27 Thread Alex Smith
On Fri, 2009-02-27 at 13:25 -0800, Kerim Aydin wrote: On Fri, 27 Feb 2009, comex wrote: I cause Rule 2241 to amend itself to read: comex CAN cause this rule to do any of the following by announcement: * amend itself * make arbitrary rule changes Er, I'm lost now.

DIS: Re: BUS: Because e deserves it

2009-02-27 Thread Alex Smith
On Fri, 2009-02-27 at 13:35 -0800, Kerim Aydin wrote: It was created by the edited proposal 6072, when it was enacted, to replace the repealed rule 2238. (CFJs have just ruled that the proposal was successfully edited, and that the Agoran Decision on it successfully enacted the edited

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: ok, there e is

2009-02-27 Thread Alex Smith
On Fri, 2009-02-27 at 13:47 -0800, Ed Murphy wrote: comex wrote: I create 7 E notes in the AFO's possession. This fails, because the AFO is not a player. Oh well. I'm surprised you didn't re-register the AFO while you were at it. The AFO doesn't really work if any of its partners

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: ok, there e is

2009-02-27 Thread Alex Smith
On Fri, 2009-02-27 at 14:06 -0800, Ed Murphy wrote: ais523 wrote: On Fri, 2009-02-27 at 13:47 -0800, Ed Murphy wrote: comex wrote: I create 7 E notes in the AFO's possession. This fails, because the AFO is not a player. Oh well. I'm surprised you didn't re-register the AFO while

Re: DIS: I think I was mistaken about the MwPs.

2009-02-28 Thread Alex Smith
On Sat, 2009-02-28 at 14:21 -0800, Ed Murphy wrote: Sgeo wrote: Why would BobTHJ lose eir MwPship? pikhq should have lost it after ais523+AFO won. BobTHJ then loses MwPship when comex wins. ais523 gains Speakership. Actually, I think your awards were correct, while the revocations

DIS: Re: BUS: We would be honored if you would... join us

2009-03-01 Thread Alex Smith
On Sat, 2009-02-28 at 17:57 -0800, Kerim Aydin wrote: I spend C D# G to reduce ais523's caste by 1. I spend C D# G to reduce ais523's caste by 1. I spend F# A C# to reduce ais523's caste by 1. I spend F# A C# to reduce ais523's caste by 1. I spend F# A C# to reduce ais523's caste by 1. A

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: The quorum is way too low

2009-03-01 Thread Alex Smith
On Sat, 2009-02-28 at 21:39 -0600, Dvorak Herring wrote: Wouldn't the following fail: On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 6:00 PM, Alex Smith ais...@bham.ac.uk wrote: Without objection, I make Billy Pilgrim inactive. Without objection, I make j inactive. Without objection, I

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Yet more fun with Caste and timing

2009-03-01 Thread Alex Smith
On Sat, 2009-02-28 at 20:13 -0800, Ed Murphy wrote: ais523 wrote: I spend D F# A to increase Murphy's caste to Alpha. OMG you suck. Sorry, it was cheaper that way. If it's any consolation to you, I reset everyone's Caste (including mine), not just yours. -- ais523

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Fun and games

2009-03-01 Thread Alex Smith
On Sun, 2009-03-01 at 11:02 -0500, Benjamin Schultz wrote: On Feb 27, 2009, at 9:21 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: I submit the following proposal, Nothing Original, AI-3: -- Create a Rule with the following text and a power of 3:

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Yet more fun with Caste and timing

2009-03-01 Thread Alex Smith
On Sun, 2009-03-01 at 11:07 -0500, Benjamin Schultz wrote: On Feb 28, 2009, at 11:13 PM, Ed Murphy wrote: ais523 wrote: I spend D F# A to increase Murphy's caste to Alpha. OMG you suck. I am mildly surprised more people didn't do last-minute adjustments. Caste changes coming up soon.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Fun and games

2009-03-03 Thread Alex Smith
On Tue, 2009-03-03 at 14:20 +, Elliott Hird wrote: 2009/3/3 Alex Smith ais...@bham.ac.uk: I submit the following proposal, Open It Up, AI 3: -- Create a Rule with the following text and a power of 3: If a rule

Re: DIS: Foreign relations

2009-03-03 Thread Alex Smith
On Tue, 2009-03-03 at 14:53 +, Elliott Hird wrote: 2009/3/3 Elliott Hird penguinoftheg...@googlemail.com: Any activity. einos is run by our player Craig/Teucer, and since we can make it a Protectorate we might as well. The Ambassador handles recognition changes. Although,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Fun and games

2009-03-03 Thread Alex Smith
On Tue, 2009-03-03 at 09:05 -0800, Kerim Aydin wrote: On Tue, 3 Mar 2009, Alex Smith wrote: On Tue, 2009-03-03 at 14:20 +, Elliott Hird wrote: 2009/3/3 Alex Smith ais...@bham.ac.uk: I'm all for legitimate scams. I'm all for legitimate wins, too What's the difference? Not all

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (beleértve a fordítási szolgáltatás)

2009-03-03 Thread Alex Smith
On Tue, 2009-03-03 at 09:26 -0800, Ed Murphy wrote: Rule 2150 does not specify the type or quality of the translation service. Also, English-to-Hungarian-to-English is not an ideal test of native-Hungarian-to-English. Rule 2150 requires me to be able to participate via a translation service.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2397 assigned to Goethe

2009-03-03 Thread Alex Smith
On Tue, 2009-03-03 at 09:34 -0800, Kerim Aydin wrote: On Tue, 3 Mar 2009, Alex Smith wrote: I interpreted this as relatively clear consent to allow me to act on Murphy's behalf support such an intent, although not as being a contract. Note that my intent to protectorise Einos came after

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (beleértve a fordítási szolgáltatás)

2009-03-03 Thread Alex Smith
On Tue, 2009-03-03 at 09:37 -0800, Ed Murphy wrote: Oh, so you're interpreting R2150 as must include. Again, though, this is trivially satisfied by your theoretical ability to hire one or more sufficiently competent human translators. Is a theoretical ability enough, though? For instance, I'm

Re: DIS: Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [ISO-8859-1] (beleértve a fordítá[ISO-8859-1] si szolgáltatás)

2009-03-03 Thread Alex Smith
On Tue, 2009-03-03 at 09:44 -0800, Kerim Aydin wrote: On Tue, 3 Mar 2009, Ed Murphy wrote: ais523 wrote: On Tue, 2009-03-03 at 09:26 -0800, Ed Murphy wrote: Rule 2150 does not specify the type or quality of the translation service. Also, English-to-Hungarian-to-English is not an ideal

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (beleértve a fordítási szolgáltatás)

2009-03-03 Thread Alex Smith
On Tue, 2009-03-03 at 09:57 -0800, Ed Murphy wrote: ais523 wrote: On Tue, 2009-03-03 at 09:37 -0800, Ed Murphy wrote: Oh, so you're interpreting R2150 as must include. Again, though, this is trivially satisfied by your theoretical ability to hire one or more sufficiently competent

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Fun and games

2009-03-03 Thread Alex Smith
On Tue, 2009-03-03 at 22:36 +0100, Jonatan Kilhamn wrote: 2009/3/3 Taral tar...@gmail.com: On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 6:09 AM, Alex Smith ais...@bham.ac.uk wrote: Voting for this one could be useful insurance against whatever Goethe is trying. We already have H. Cassandra Goethe, don't make me

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Fun and games

2009-03-04 Thread Alex Smith
On Wed, 2009-03-04 at 12:46 +, Alex Smith wrote: On Tue, 2009-03-03 at 20:06 -0800, Taral wrote: On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:56 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: ais523's fix is not to be trusted. Read it. If a rule mentions the possibility... that someone can modify

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Fun and games

2009-03-04 Thread Alex Smith
On Wed, 2009-03-04 at 08:48 -0500, Geoffrey Spear wrote: On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 8:43 AM, Elliott Hird penguinoftheg...@googlemail.com wrote: 2009/3/4 Alex Smith ais...@bham.ac.uk: I submit the following proposal (AI 3, Title=Open It Up, coauthor=Goethe

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of proposals 6121-6139

2009-03-04 Thread Alex Smith
On Wed, 2009-03-04 at 20:11 +0100, Jonatan Kilhamn wrote: 6137 O 0 1.0 Tiger Ambassador Anarchy AGAINST (probably invalid) Why? Did I fail to use correct adoption index again? No, because ehird probably has a voting limit of 0 on ordinary proposals. So it's a valid proposal,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of proposals 6121-6139

2009-03-04 Thread Alex Smith
On Wed, 2009-03-04 at 17:26 -0500, comex wrote: On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 3:43 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: 6135 O 1 1.5 comex because e is one 8xFOR. I wrote this. By the way, I'm quite fine with getting Scamster again now that I've successfully removed the

DIS: Proto: Simpler notes

2009-03-05 Thread Alex Smith
This basically makes Notes more consistent, hopefully easier for the Conductor to calculate, and probably more numerous (thus existing notes are doubled as a result). Anyone have good suggestions for what F# and G should be? (I was wondering about things like new player bonuses.) The principle is

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: New Player

2009-03-08 Thread Alex Smith
On Sat, 2009-03-07 at 10:11 -0700, Sean Hunt wrote: coppro wrote: I, coppro, am registering. There's no point starting off with confusion as to whether I'm a player or not. Why not? It seems that half the registrations here start out that way. Anyway, welcome. -- ais523 Speaker

DIS: Re: BUS: dead contests

2009-03-08 Thread Alex Smith
On Sun, 2009-03-08 at 15:02 +, Alex Smith wrote: On Fri, 2009-03-06 at 09:13 -0500, Geoffrey Spear wrote: I intend, without 3 objections, to flip the contestmaster of Enigma to None. I object to this one. I have at least two puzzles lined up for future weeks, but am waiting until after

Re: DIS: Cassandra says: beware 6123

2009-03-08 Thread Alex Smith
On Sun, 2009-03-08 at 11:39 -0400, comex wrote: On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 3:04 AM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: Declaring a senator to be not a senator is regulated as it switches a status. Declaring a non-senator to be not a senator is just stating a fact, and reasonably to me

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting Report

2009-03-08 Thread Alex Smith
On Sun, 2009-03-08 at 09:33 -0700, Ed Murphy wrote: ais523 wrote: On Sat, 2009-03-07 at 19:59 -0800, Ed Murphy wrote: Wed 18 Feb 22:28:36 6072 possibly resolved by ais523 [snip] Thu 19 Feb 20:19:11 6072 possibly resolved by Goethe Thu 19 Feb 20:22:22 6072 possibly resolved by

DIS: Re: BUS: RE: [Scorekeepor] Contestmaster awards

2009-03-09 Thread Alex Smith
On Mon, 2009-03-09 at 10:49 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: Gratuitous response: The text of Rule 2234 is performed duties related to the contest in a timely manner. There are two ways to read this. The first (which ais523 argues for) is that if the contest currently mandates no duties, then

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: RE: [Scorekeepor] Contestmaster awards

2009-03-09 Thread Alex Smith
On Mon, 2009-03-09 at 16:13 -0400, comex wrote: In my opinion, if it had said all duties, ais523's argument would be valid; as it is, I think the best interpretation (considering that 'in a timely manner' is located at the end and vaguely defined) is that the contestmaster is merely required

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: RE: [Scorekeepor] Contestmaster awards

2009-03-09 Thread Alex Smith
On Mon, 2009-03-09 at 15:15 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: On Mon, 9 Mar 2009, Alex Smith wrote: On Mon, 2009-03-09 at 16:13 -0400, comex wrote: In my opinion, if it had said all duties, ais523's argument would be valid; as it is, I think the best interpretation (considering that 'in a timely

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: New contest

2009-03-11 Thread Alex Smith
On Wed, 2009-03-11 at 08:04 -0600, Sean Hunt wrote: I agree to these terms. NttPF. (In other words, you sent to a-d, rather than a-b, by mistake; don't worry, everyone does it.) Note that there is judicial precedent that unlike other actions, it's often possible to agree to a contract in a

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: New contest

2009-03-11 Thread Alex Smith
On Wed, 2009-03-11 at 11:44 -0400, Geoffrey Spear wrote: On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 11:40 AM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: Even with multiple contestants capable of gaming it? I considered withdrawing my agreement and re-posting with a AAA-style contestants SHALL NOT submit spam

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: New contest

2009-03-11 Thread Alex Smith
On Wed, 2009-03-11 at 15:49 +, Alex Smith wrote: On Wed, 2009-03-11 at 11:44 -0400, Geoffrey Spear wrote: On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 11:40 AM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: Even with multiple contestants capable of gaming it? I considered withdrawing my agreement and re

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: New contest

2009-03-11 Thread Alex Smith
On Wed, 2009-03-11 at 09:58 -0700, Ed Murphy wrote: ais523 wrote: Also, I have a much better idea. Get the PNP to join the contest and make a guess that's the amount it's distributing, immediately before the distribution (maybe in the same message?) Anyone tries any funny stuff gets

DIS: Re: BUS: New contest

2009-03-11 Thread Alex Smith
On Wed, 2009-03-11 at 19:49 +0100, Jonatan Kilhamn wrote: I agree to this contract. (or is that how you say when you want to join the contest?) Yep, that's correct. It isn't a contest yet, just an ordinary contract atm; however, it's clearly intended to become a contest, and there's an intent to

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: New contest

2009-03-11 Thread Alex Smith
On Wed, 2009-03-11 at 20:11 +0100, Jonatan Kilhamn wrote: 2009/3/11 Alex Smith ais...@bham.ac.uk: On Wed, 2009-03-11 at 19:49 +0100, Jonatan Kilhamn wrote: I agree to this contract. (or is that how you say when you want to join the contest?) Yep, that's correct. It isn't a contest yet

DIS: Re: BUS: Lest I forget

2009-03-11 Thread Alex Smith
On Wed, 2009-03-11 at 23:29 +, Alex Smith wrote: On Tue, 2009-03-03 at 15:50 +, Alex Smith wrote: I intend, with Agoran Consent, to make Einos (http://einos-nomic.blogspot.com/) a protectorate. I confirm, as Ambassador, that Einos meets the conditions to be a Protectorate

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Lest I forget

2009-03-12 Thread Alex Smith
On Thu, 2009-03-12 at 15:12 +, Elliott Hird wrote: 2009/3/12 Alexander Smith ais...@bham.ac.uk: ehird wrote (with top-posting corrected): Blame the iPhone's lack of adequate text box movement. On 2009-03-11, Alex Smith ais...@bham.ac.uk wrote: Incidentally, can anyone else here

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Judgment on Case 2403

2009-03-13 Thread Alex Smith
On Thu, 2009-03-12 at 23:02 -0600, Sean Hunt wrote: Kerim Aydin wrote: On Thu, 12 Mar 2009, Sean Hunt wrote: Since it seems unreasonable to add an obligation retroactively due to changing circumstances, it seems equally unreasonable to remove one. I judge case 2403 to be TRUE.

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Notary] Weekly Notary fugly bletch

2009-03-13 Thread Alex Smith
On Fri, 2009-03-13 at 14:19 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: On Fri, 13 Mar 2009, Alex Smith wrote: G1 G2 G3 I terminate the above 3 pledges (assuming they're the ones that are mine, which I believe can be terminated by my announcement). -Goethe Yep, that succeeds. -- ais523 Notary

DIS: Re: BUS: Elections!

2009-03-14 Thread Alex Smith
On Sat, 2009-03-14 at 03:15 -0500, Benjamin Caplan wrote: Anarchist: ehird, Yally, Tiger denounce the Anarchist Is it even possible to denounce in an election where the choices aren't FOR/AGAINST/ABSTAIN? -- ais523

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: SHOULD really sucks.

2009-03-14 Thread Alex Smith
On Sat, 2009-03-14 at 07:52 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: On Sat, 14 Mar 2009, Sean Hunt wrote: If the proposal entitled Fix recursive SHOULD was adopted at the same time as this proposal, it is of no effect. This is an

DIS: Re: BUS: SHOULD really sucks.

2009-03-14 Thread Alex Smith
On Sat, 2009-03-14 at 00:53 -0600, Sean Hunt wrote: After having carefully considered the consequences of doing so, including the fact that it opens up Agora to multiple easy wins; that it reveals a serious flaw in the rules; and that it allows me to win, for the duration of this message I

DIS: Re: BUS: Antivirus 2009

2009-03-16 Thread Alex Smith
On Sun, 2009-03-15 at 16:21 -0700, Ed Murphy wrote: ais...@normish.org wrote: As permitted by the rule created by proposal 6130, I cause Rule 2223 (Win by Junta) to amend itself to change its text to Any non-player partnership whose basis contains no other members but ais523, comex,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Antivirus 2009

2009-03-16 Thread Alex Smith
On Mon, 2009-03-16 at 13:06 -0700, Ed Murphy wrote: ais523 wrote: I'm very disappointed that you didn't find a way to escalate that to power 3. What a waste of a good scam! I could have added rules with lower Power take precedence over rules with higher Power, but then you would have

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: This space left intentionally even more blank

2009-03-17 Thread Alex Smith
On Mon, 2009-03-16 at 16:02 -0700, Taral wrote: On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 12:42 PM, comex com...@gmail.com wrote: I CFJ on the statement: { A rule was amended in the message in which this CFJ was called. } Ugh. This is why I voted AGAINST. I would have thought that the fact that it was a

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of proposals 6140-6151

2009-03-18 Thread Alex Smith
On Tue, 2009-03-17 at 15:55 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: [2] Is a proposal distribution considered a Proposal Pool report? The PNP reports the emptiness of the pool in the same message that it distributes proposals. This works as long as there's at least one proposal distribution each week. --

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of proposals 6140-6151

2009-03-18 Thread Alex Smith
On Tue, 2009-03-17 at 16:53 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: On Tue, 17 Mar 2009, Ed Murphy wrote: Goethe wrote: [2] Is a proposal distribution considered a Proposal Pool report? Proposal distributions have been routinely including the boilerplate text Proposal pool: empty (which counts)

DIS: Re: BUS: farming

2009-03-18 Thread Alex Smith
On Wed, 2009-03-18 at 09:19 -0400, Geoffrey Spear wrote: I harvest the following CFJ numbers, for 2 WRV each: 2411 2413 2414 2415 2416 2417 2419 2401 2403 2405 2406 2407 2409 Murphy's CotC website for CFJ 2401 says: Called by Warrigal 7 Mar 2009 20:42:01 GMT Assigned to Goethe 7

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Judgement, CFJs 2408-2409

2009-03-18 Thread Alex Smith
On Wed, 2009-03-18 at 14:33 +, Elliott Hird wrote: 2009/3/18 Alex Smith ais...@bham.ac.uk: As for the question the CFJ was trying to ask; either a right-side up or upside-down moo would have been appropriate to fulfil the obligation, due to rule 754(1) (they are clearly synonyms

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: PNP Voting

2009-03-20 Thread Alex Smith
On Thu, 2009-03-19 at 11:49 -0700, Ed Murphy wrote: The PerlNomic Partnership wrote: 6155 FOR Ineffective due to caste. Actually, given the PNP's standard voting header, it was specifically purporting to vote 0 times. So ineffective due to being a no-op. -- ais523

DIS: Re: [s-d] InterNomic II

2009-03-20 Thread Alex Smith
On Thu, 2009-03-19 at 21:02 +, Charles Walker wrote: I am proud to announce the rebirth of InterNomic II. It is hosted at http://internomic2.wikidot.com/ and includes a fully functioning set of forums. (The groups 'General' and 'Off-topic' under 'General' in the forums allow for

DIS: Re: BUS: Changes to the PBA

2009-03-20 Thread Alex Smith
On Sun, 2009-03-15 at 21:16 -0600, Sean Hunt wrote: I join the Vote Market. It was terminated by proposal. I'm therefore treating this as not sufficiently clear to agree to a new copy of the contract. -- ais523 Notary

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Enigma] The Champion's Contest begins!

2009-03-20 Thread Alex Smith
On Fri, 2009-03-20 at 15:26 -0600, Ian Kelly wrote: On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 3:25 PM, Ian Kelly ian.g.ke...@gmail.com wrote: 4x4: ... Bits and Bytes: ... Crap, sorry, I forgot to change the To: address. Note that you have to submit answers privately. Submission to a-d doesn't

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: A Silly Bribe

2009-03-22 Thread Alex Smith
On Sun, 2009-03-22 at 15:39 -0400, Warrigal wrote: I submit the following proposal, titled A Silly Bribe, with adoption index 1.1: {Set the power of every player with at least one valid FOR vote and no valid AGAINST votes on this proposal to 1.05.} Don't worry, having power doesn't

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: A Silly Bribe

2009-03-22 Thread Alex Smith
On Sun, 2009-03-22 at 14:41 -0600, Sean Hunt wrote: Warrigal wrote: On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 3:45 PM, Alex Smith ais...@bham.ac.uk wrote: You seriously don't want to see the sort of thing a decent player could do if they had a positive power. (It wouldn't even need to be as high as 1

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposals 6121 - 6139

2009-03-22 Thread Alex Smith
On Mon, 2009-03-16 at 16:39 +, Alex Smith wrote: I call for judgement on the statement Murphy's recent attempt to cause Rule 2223 to amend itself to read 'This rule intentionally left blank' was using the mechanism specified in rule 2223, rather than the mechanism specified in the rule

DIS: Re: OFF: [Anarchist] Repealment proposals

2009-03-22 Thread Alex Smith
On Sun, 2009-03-22 at 23:06 +0100, Jonatan Kilhamn wrote: The following proposal is made as a part of the Anarchist's weekly duties. Date of this message: Sun 22 Mar 09 Date of last fulfilment of these duties: Sat 14 Mar 09 Proposal: Speaker Anarchy (AI=3, Disinterested) Repeal Rule 104

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Anarchist] Repealment proposals

2009-03-23 Thread Alex Smith
On Sun, 2009-03-22 at 19:35 -0500, Aaron Goldfein wrote: On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 5:39 PM, Jonatan Kilhamn jonatan.kilh...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/3/22 Alex Smith ais...@bham.ac.uk: On Sun, 2009-03-22 at 23:06 +0100, Jonatan Kilhamn wrote: The following

Re: DIS: Joining InterNomic 2

2009-03-23 Thread Alex Smith
On Mon, 2009-03-23 at 10:51 +0100, Jonatan Kilhamn wrote: 2009/3/23 Charles Walker charles.w.wal...@googlemail.com: You could say something along the lines of 'Where another nomic makes it possible for Agora or a representative of Agora to perform actions within that nomic, X (person or

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Sowing some more chaos

2009-03-23 Thread Alex Smith
On Mon, 2009-03-23 at 11:09 -0400, comex wrote: does. The proposal took effect but was unauthorized to make any Rule Changes so did nothing. No, I think it didn't take effect, but nevertheless was not prevented from taking effect. There isn't a contradiction there. -- ais523

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: An Unregistered Partnership

2009-03-23 Thread Alex Smith
On Mon, 2009-03-23 at 14:25 -0400, comex wrote: On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 1:57 PM, Alex Smith ais...@bham.ac.uk wrote: ais523, comex, and coppro can join this contract by announcement. Other players can join this contract only with consent of all existing members. Any party to this contract

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Sowing some more chaos

2009-03-23 Thread Alex Smith
On Mon, 2009-03-23 at 13:11 -0600, Sean Hunt wrote: Just in case: If proposal 6122 did create a new rule, then I cause said new rule to amend itself to read 'This rule intentionally left blank' by means of rule 2243. And I suppose the upshot of all this is, if you're going to run a scam,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: polite request

2009-03-24 Thread Alex Smith
On Tue, 2009-03-24 at 22:26 +0100, Jonatan Kilhamn wrote: 2009/3/24 Elliott Hird penguinoftheg...@googlemail.com: 2009/3/24 Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu: A humble request: can players (esp. newish players without email addresses matching their nicknames) get in the habit of

DIS: Re: BUS: Noncontentious wins

2009-03-24 Thread Alex Smith
On Tue, 2009-03-24 at 15:03 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: I believe that ais523's win by clout is uncontentious, and that Goethe and OscarMeyr's win by Junta is uncontentious (or at least un-CFJ'd for a while) and all other non-awarded potential champions are currently contentious. Any

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Enigma] Moderately difficult puzzles

2009-03-25 Thread Alex Smith
On Tue, 2009-03-24 at 18:46 -0600, Sean Hunt wrote: Alex Smith wrote: READ ME by ais523: Oh drat, I made a mistake! New answer (suffers no ambiguities!): 8414004 Answers only count if submitted privately. (You've made this bad enough, make sure that your answer officially counts

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Calls for appeal

2009-03-25 Thread Alex Smith
On Wed, 2009-03-25 at 06:24 -0700, Ed Murphy wrote: ais523 wrote: I intend to appeal CFJ 2426 with 2 support, because its reasoning is based on that of CFJs 2424 and 2425, and they should therefore be appealed as a set or not at all. ITYM 2423. Oh, I misread your message, and thought

DIS: Re: BUS: Calls for appeal

2009-03-25 Thread Alex Smith
On Wed, 2009-03-25 at 10:27 -0400, comex wrote: Testing, sorry for the spam I object. (Sorry, couldn't resist...) -- ais523

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Enigma] Moderately difficult puzzles

2009-03-25 Thread Alex Smith
On Wed, 2009-03-25 at 10:16 -0600, Ian Kelly wrote: On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 2:49 AM, Alex Smith ais...@bham.ac.uk wrote: /me considers sending Enigma puzzles via private email to all contestants to avoid a repeat of this sort of thing in the future... -1, if non-contestants don't see

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Joining other nomics

2009-03-25 Thread Alex Smith
On Wed, 2009-03-25 at 19:12 +0100, Jonatan Kilhamn wrote: Okay, I guess I didn't really know exactly what was allowed since I just read outline changes to the gamestate. The only thing I can see that would stop it is that it requires higher power than the 1 it gets from adoption index, but

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Enigma] Moderately difficult puzzles

2009-03-26 Thread Alex Smith
On Wed, 2009-03-25 at 13:21 -0700, Ed Murphy wrote: ais523 wrote: On Wed, 2009-03-25 at 10:16 -0600, Ian Kelly wrote: On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 2:49 AM, Alex Smith ais...@bham.ac.uk wrote: /me considers sending Enigma puzzles via private email to all contestants to avoid a repeat

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Insulator] Fnord!

2009-03-26 Thread Alex Smith
On Wed, 2009-03-25 at 16:54 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: But if rests are not fungible, the recordkeepor would be required to track each rest as a distinct thing, and attempts to destroy rests would have to match, e.g. I hereby destroy the rest that was created when I broke rule foo. We don't do

DIS: Re: BUS: Yet another Partnership Removal

2009-03-26 Thread Alex Smith
On Thu, 2009-03-26 at 09:39 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: I submit the following Proposal, enough again already, AI-2: -- [The PNP was the last partnership which seemed to justify partnerships existing. Now it is also

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of proposal 6167

2009-03-26 Thread Alex Smith
On Thu, 2009-03-26 at 10:13 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: I object to the intent. I vote AGAINST 6167. I raise the point that a record of votes is part of resolving a decision, but not actually part of anyone's Report as far as I can tell (that must be explicitly defined as being part of a

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of proposal 6167

2009-03-27 Thread Alex Smith
On Thu, 2009-03-26 at 12:18 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: I firmly believe that the publication of a false fact is inherently misleading. If it is done purposefully, it is purposefully misleading. I do see your argument. What you claim is that you published a document, and that it's not your

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of proposal 6167

2009-03-27 Thread Alex Smith
On Thu, 2009-03-26 at 13:01 -0700, Ed Murphy wrote: comex wrote: On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 11:56 AM, The PerlNomic Partnership perlno...@nomictools.com wrote: NUM C I AI SUBMITTER TITLE 6167 D 1 3.0 comex Foo I intend, without objection, to ratify the

DIS: Re: BUS: Votes

2009-03-27 Thread Alex Smith
On Fri, 2009-03-27 at 09:23 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: I vote FOR Proposal 6165 and AGAINST proposal 6166 (not because of lack of trust of comex-as-rulekeepor, but because I never thought ruleset ratification was a good idea to begin with...ratify everything else but let the rules be

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Votes

2009-03-27 Thread Alex Smith
On Fri, 2009-03-27 at 10:29 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: I understand the tradeoff, I just prefer to ratify change events (e.g. proposals) rather than the state for the ruleset in particular. Unlike those who like hard-resets every time there's uncertainty (B? Or at least my impression of B) I

DIS: zenith.homelinux.org down?

2009-03-27 Thread Alex Smith
Murphy's website (including things like the CotC database) appears to be down; I can't load from it locally, nor ping it from Normish. Can anyone confirm this? If so, can Murphy fix it? -- ais523

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Votes

2009-03-27 Thread Alex Smith
On Fri, 2009-03-27 at 11:31 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: On Fri, 27 Mar 2009, Alex Smith wrote: The bug is in rule 754, which doesn't define announcement anywhere in the published versions of the FLR or SLR for months. Actually, we've got a judicial precedent (I'll look up the number later

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Votes

2009-03-27 Thread Alex Smith
On Fri, 2009-03-27 at 14:55 -0400, Geoffrey Spear wrote: On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 2:51 PM, Sean Hunt ride...@gmail.com wrote: Also, perhaps we should allow the Assessor to end a voting period early if there is a certain amount of positive votes (say, VI twice the AI and at least half of all

DIS: Re: BUS: [Enigma] Results from last week

2009-03-27 Thread Alex Smith
On Fri, 2009-03-27 at 22:10 +, Alex Smith wrote: This is the Enigma results from last week's puzzles: 4x4, er ev hg is ni no, and Bits and Bytes. Because many contestants are likely to be interested, I'd like to informally request Murphy to reveal eir solution to er ev hg is ni

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Votes

2009-03-28 Thread Alex Smith
On Fri, 2009-03-27 at 17:21 -0700, Ed Murphy wrote: ais523 wrote: The bug is in rule 754, which doesn't define announcement anywhere in the published versions of the FLR or SLR for months. Rule 478, last paragraph. Nope, it defines action by announcement in terms of announcements.

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