Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Scorekeepor] Scoreboard

2007-12-21 Thread Ed Murphy
comex wrote: On Dec 21, 2007 9:07 PM, Josiah Worcester [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And have since destroyed it. I seriously just thought that a report without any points seemed bare. That's all there is to it. I had no idea that people would be this damned offended by it. THIS IS AGORA Then

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Scorekeepor] Scoreboard

2007-12-21 Thread Ed Murphy
comex wrote: On Dec 21, 2007 9:42 PM, Josiah Worcester [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I solemnely swear on my offices patent titles not to further use a scam. I note that it's a *single point*. Argument over a single point is Less Fun Than Not Fun. I think you might have a point. 88

DIS: Non-rule-backed currencies

2007-12-21 Thread Ed Murphy
Anyone feel like creating some? I'd play in a Catan variant if someone started one. (http://www.aworldlikemyown.com/index.php?comic=180)

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Four foreign-relations proposals

2007-12-22 Thread Ed Murphy
comex wrote: On Dec 22, 2007 12:12 PM, Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: An announcement claiming that such an import has occurred is self-ratifying. I don't think you get around to specifying that it must be imported by announcement. True, though the Ambassador's report

DIS: Re: BUS: Real currency

2007-12-22 Thread Ed Murphy
avpx wrote: Any player may spend N pesos to cause another player to gain .75*N pesos. However, if one of the parties in the transaction is the Treasury, then N pesos may be spent by one party to cause the other party to gain N pesos. I spend 500 of the Treasury's pesos to cause myself to gain

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proto: Prices track income

2007-12-22 Thread Ed Murphy
Zefram wrote: Ed Murphy wrote: [Rather than limit the minting of currency, simply devalue it. This is both simpler and more realistic.] Been done before, and it was horrendous. Making currency units decay (as we now have them do) involves a lot less paperwork. When was this? Were

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: distribution of proposals 5375-5389

2007-12-22 Thread Ed Murphy
Goethe wrote: I CFJ on the following statement (criminal case): comex has violated Rule 2149 in his communication of voting on proposal 5375. Arguments: comex has stated specifically in the past that e does not believe that e has huge numbers of ordinary votes, nor would any reasonable

Re: DIS: Draft decision on CFJ 1851

2007-12-23 Thread Ed Murphy
Zefram wrote: Benjamin Schultz wrote: H. Assessor Murphy properly reported the votes on Prop. 5373, but inadvertently omitted the specification of the outcome as required by R208 item (c). I therefore (draft)judge FALSE. That's the logic that I used. The question is whether,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: distribution of proposals 5375-5389

2007-12-23 Thread Ed Murphy
Goethe wrote: On Sat, 22 Dec 2007, Ed Murphy wrote: 2) 1048576 is such a huge number in context that it could be interpreted as an implicit most of these will be invalid disclaimer. (A player who intentionally casts just a few more votes than eir voting limit would be more likely

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Real currency

2007-12-23 Thread Ed Murphy
avpx wrote: One of the reasons I wanted to make it rule-regulated, BTW, was so that it could possibly replace the system of VCs and marks, which, personally, I find a little messy. It might be a good idea, if we can all agree on that (which I doubt we can), to re-engineer the whole idea, and

DIS: More on infractions

2007-12-23 Thread Ed Murphy
The rules used to define certain actions as either Crimes (matters of law, requiring CFJ) and Infractions (matters of fact, requiring a simple claim-of-error-style announcement, generally less serious), each with a specified penalty. Rule violations not otherwise defined as one of these things

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Real currency

2007-12-23 Thread Ed Murphy
avpx wrote: Also, I intend for pesos to be spent similar to VCs, in that one can increase his own VVLOP and others' as well. In fact, the biggest difference in terms of this is that they can be transfered. I've also some ideas for what they could be spent on. Namely, they could be used

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Real currency

2007-12-23 Thread Ed Murphy
Ed Murphy wrote: avpx wrote: Also, I intend for pesos to be spent similar to VCs, in that one can increase his own VVLOP and others' as well. In fact, the biggest difference in terms of this is that they can be transfered. I've also some ideas for what they could be spent on. Namely

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1845: assign OscarMeyr

2007-12-24 Thread Ed Murphy
OscarMeyr wrote: b) comex referred to R2149 in eir arguments, and presented no other rule in the message as provided to this CFJ. A statement in the CFJ argument is not a clear designation in the CFJ statement proper of the rule allegedly breached. FAIL Criminal cases don't have

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Winnation

2007-12-24 Thread Ed Murphy
OscarMeyr wrote: We do need a patch in 2126, along the lines of replacing: VCs may be spent as follows, by announcement (INVALID unless the color is specified): With: VCs may be spent as follows, by announcement (INVALID unless the color(s) is/are accurately specified

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Winnation

2007-12-24 Thread Ed Murphy
pikhq wrote: Common sense dictates that, when you spend something, you have also lost it. The rules do not say otherwise, so common sense prevails. This whole case is centered around whether or not to spend is sufficiently similar to to lose to allow the VC loss to be waived. I invite the

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Assessor/Accountor] Voting Limits, VCs, Marks Report

2007-12-25 Thread Ed Murphy
Zefram wrote: Ed Murphy wrote: Sun 23 Dec 00:40:15 Zefram -3R increase root's VVLOP by 6 Sun 23 Dec 00:40:15 Zefram -3R increase Goethe's VVLOP by 6 I increased root's VVLOP by 8 and Goethe's by 4. Corrected in next draft.

DIS: Proto: Synaesthesia

2007-12-26 Thread Ed Murphy
Proto-Proposal: Synaesthesia (AI = 2, II = 2, please) Change the title of Rule 2126 to Ribbons, and amend it to read: Ribbons are a class of fixed assets. Changes to Ribbon holdings are secured. Ownership of Ribbons is restricted to players. Each Ribbon has exactly one

Re: DIS: Proto: Synaesthesia

2007-12-26 Thread Ed Murphy
I wrote: Create a rule titled Rests with Power 2 and this text: Rests are a fixed currency. Ownership of Rests is restricted to players. Whenever a player possesses a Rest, the Conductor CAN destroy it and award a Note of random pitch to that player, and SHALL

Re: DIS: Proto: Synaesthesia

2007-12-26 Thread Ed Murphy
Eris wrote: On 12/26/07, Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (A#) If Y X = 0, then e gains an A# Note. This is usually written Bb, not A#. Yes, but A# fits the alphabetic correlation (inspired by Nomicron's Runes) between the pitches and the events awarding them.

Re: DIS: Proto: Synaesthesia

2007-12-26 Thread Ed Murphy
Eris wrote: On 12/26/07, Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Eris wrote: On 12/26/07, Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (A#) If Y X = 0, then e gains an A# Note. This is usually written Bb, not A#. Yes, but A# fits the alphabetic correlation (inspired by Nomicron's Runes

Re: DIS: Proto: Synaesthesia

2007-12-26 Thread Ed Murphy
I wrote: Proto-Proposal: Synaesthesia (F#) If X Y = 0, then e gains an F# Note. (F) If X Y 0, then e gains an F Note. (A#) If Y X = 0, then e gains an A# Note. (A) If Y X 0, then e gains an A Note. Oh, I have a better idea - change

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Assessor/Accountor] Voting Limits, VCs, Marks Report

2007-12-27 Thread Ed Murphy
pikhq wrote: Tue 25 Dec 02:52:40 Murphy -1k transfer to pikhq Tue 25 Dec 02:52:40 pikhq -1k transfer from Murphy *Excuse* me? WTF? Typo. Fixed in next draft.

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor/Accountor] Voting Limits, VCs, Marks Report

2007-12-29 Thread Ed Murphy
pikhq wrote: On Monday 24 December 2007 21:40:32 Ed Murphy wrote: Assessor's Voting Limits and Voting Credits Report Accountor's Marks Report [snip] Murphy's VLOP is disputed (CFJ 1850). Your *win* is disputed, not your VLOP. Since you announced that your EVLOP was higher than everyone

Re: DIS: Proto: Transactions

2007-12-30 Thread Ed Murphy
pikhq wrote: From playing B Nomic, I've seen one potentially useful idea: transactions. I'm not sure if everyone wants them, but let's see: Proto: Transactions (power=3?) Create a rule titled Transactions with the following text: A transaction is a method of announcing actions, contained

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposal 5373

2007-12-31 Thread Ed Murphy
root wrote: On Dec 22, 2007 8:44 AM, Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I cause the AFO to publish the following. Perhaps I'm misremembering, but didn't a recent proposal cause Murphy to become Assessor? Yes, but the AFO remains vote collector for anything distributed while it was Assessor

Re: DIS: Proto: Transactions

2007-12-31 Thread Ed Murphy
pikhq wrote: On Monday 31 December 2007 11:08:56 Ian Kelly wrote: On Dec 31, 2007 11:04 AM, Josiah Worcester [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps: An announcement may be made asserting the success or failure of a Transaction. This announcement is self-ratifying.? We'd have to remember to make

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: VC spends

2007-12-31 Thread Ed Murphy
pikhq wrote: What a waste. . . VVLOPs are almost inevitably going to be reset in a bit as it stands. Only if CFJ 1850 is judged TRUE.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Votes

2007-12-31 Thread Ed Murphy
Goethe wrote: On Tue, 25 Dec 2007, Ed Murphy wrote: All AGAINST votes in this message are cast only on the condition that the proposal in question would meet quorum even if I didn't vote on it. Interesting. Technically, this isn't known within the voting period but only at the endpoint

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Oyez, oyez!

2007-12-31 Thread Ed Murphy
pikhq wrote: On Monday 31 December 2007 15:28:22 Benjamin Schultz wrote: On Dec 31, 2007, at 2:16 PM, Josiah Worcester wrote: I intend, with 2 Senate supporters, to call an Emergency Session. The topic? Developing tensions with B Nomic. Other than B thinking we surrendered, what tensions

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Votes

2007-12-31 Thread Ed Murphy
Goethe wrote: On Mon, 31 Dec 2007, Ed Murphy wrote: Goethe wrote: On Tue, 25 Dec 2007, Ed Murphy wrote: All AGAINST votes in this message are cast only on the condition that the proposal in question would meet quorum even if I didn't vote on it. Interesting. Technically, this isn't known

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposals 5375 - 5389

2007-12-31 Thread Ed Murphy
Goethe wrote: No, extending the voting period for these is the whole purpose of holidays. The If some Rule bases paragraph clearly doesn't apply to these. The If some Rule requires paragraph might, though. 2006-07: 4877-92 started after the holiday, 4874-75 ended before. Zefram's proposal

DIS: More holiday foo

2007-12-31 Thread Ed Murphy
April 1 was a holiday through 2006. 2006: 4851-54 ended before, 4855 started before and intersected, 4856-59 started after. 2005: 4654-62 ended before, 4663-70 and 4671-73 started before and intersected, 4674-75 started after. 2004: 4557-62 ended before, 4563-65 started before and

Re: DIS: Checking In

2007-12-31 Thread Ed Murphy
Iammars wrote: So far, I know that I need to affirm CFJ 1828a, Judge on CFJ 1844 and CFJ 1839, Vote on a lot of proposals, and come to a conclusion on the panel of CFJ 1831b, and I'm a little over halfway through. My question is, since we're on holiday, when is the first time I can legally

DIS: Re: BUS: A CFJ of pure insanity

2008-01-02 Thread Ed Murphy
pikhq wrote: I Call for Judgement on the following: Dependent actions with fewer than Quorum voters have not been made since clause (a) of rule 955 was made to have its current text, except for the self-ratification of the voting results. Evidence: (a) If there is more than one

DIS: Re: BUS: Nonpublic deregistrations

2008-01-02 Thread Ed Murphy
Goethe wrote: On Wed, 2 Jan 2008, Ed Murphy wrote: Has the AFO become public? I've lost track. [Feel free to inform me if the following was somehow against the AFO contract at the time or not with consent. -Goethe] From: agora-discussion@agoranomic.org (Josiah Worcester) Date: Wed, 28

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Nonpublic deregistrations

2008-01-02 Thread Ed Murphy
Zefram wrote: Ed Murphy wrote: It's not against the AFO contract, which allows any partner to control the partnership itself without prior consultation. The interesting question is whether the contract rules recognize this; It doesn't qualify as any of the formulations of rule 2178

DIS: Re: BUS: No silent partners

2008-01-02 Thread Ed Murphy
Goethe wrote: I submit the following proposal, No silent partners, AI-2. -Goethe No Silent Partners Amend Rule 2145 by replacing: A partnership that is a public contract and whose basis contains at least

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: A location!

2008-01-03 Thread Ed Murphy
Eris wrote: On 1/2/08, Josiah Worcester [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I CFJ on the following: There are elephants Over There. Something tells me you made all that machinery just so you could do this. :D Blame root for locations. And blame Goethe for CFJ 1629.

DIS: BF golf

2008-01-07 Thread Ed Murphy
What interpreter/debugger are the other contestants using? I've been using http://www.iamcal.com/misc/bf_debug/ but it's rather slow. I also found http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/Brainfuck#Implementations but I can't be arsed to test all of them individually.

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1836b: assign Murphy, root, Zefram

2008-01-07 Thread Ed Murphy
root wrote: On Jan 7, 2008 9:33 AM, Zefram [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I hereby assign the judicial panel of Murphy, root, and Zefram as judge of CFJ 1836b. I intend, with the agreement of my fellow panelists, to cause the panel to judge AFFIRM in this case with the following concurring

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Attn pikhq: Re: OFF: CFJ 1856: assign Goethe

2008-01-08 Thread Ed Murphy
Goethe wrote: The issue of cron jobs is where Judge Zefram and I differ, and I'm considering both those judgments and my own initial thoughts carefully. Since Zefram uses cron jobs, I assume e considers them legally effective. Does that mean that you don't? Or is the distinction on some

DIS: Re: OFF: recent CotC-tracked VC awards

2008-01-10 Thread Ed Murphy
Zefram wrote: APPROX DATE (UTC) CASE SUBJECTAWD EVENT 04 Dec 2007 20:01:00 1812 BobTHJ +1K sentence on time 07 Jan 2008 17:39:09 1850 root +1B judge on time 07 Jan 2008 19:31:11 1846 pikhq -1B judgement overturned 07 Jan 2008 21:01:47 1839 Iammars+1B

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1849: assign Goddess Eris

2008-01-10 Thread Ed Murphy
Zefram wrote: Roger Hicks wrote: I appeal this decision. There were two appealable decisions there: verdict and sentence. You must specify which one you are appealing. I already entered the appeal into the database. On the assumption that e'll initiate it with the proper specification,

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: recent CotC-tracked VC awards

2008-01-10 Thread Ed Murphy
Zefram wrote: Ed Murphy wrote: I lost one for 1840 being reassigned. Oh yes, I missed that. OscarMeyr gained one for judging 1851; No e didn't; e was late. Ah, you're right, the holiday only delayed obligations to January 10 at 00:00 UTC. Draft report corrected.

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting Limits Report

2008-01-10 Thread Ed Murphy
Zefram wrote: Ed Murphy wrote: Sat 22 Dec 04:29:53 pikhq awarded Champion; each player's VVLOP set to BVLOP Claim of error: as pikhq did not win, I believe e could not be validly awarded the patent title of Champion, and therefore this VVLOP reset did not occur. Many

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: distribution of proposals 5390-5404

2008-01-10 Thread Ed Murphy
Zefram wrote: The report shows a reset of VVLOP due to an award of Champion, but that award came from a non-win. It looks to me like the announcement of the award was therefore INVALID, and so the VVLOP reset did not occur. I haven't formulated this properly for a CFJ yet. Rule 649, relevant

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: distribution of proposals 5390-5404

2008-01-10 Thread Ed Murphy
Zefram wrote: (Disclaimer: I'm not convinced about the accuracy of the most recently reported voting limits, so some of the following votes may well be invalid due to VLOP.) Explain please?

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: As late as possible

2008-01-10 Thread Ed Murphy
root wrote: I submit the following proposal, titled As late as possible (AI=2): == Amend Rule 1023 (Common Definitions) by replacing this text: (a) The phrase as soon as possible means within seven days. with: (a) The phrase as soon as possible means within seven days,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: As late as possible

2008-01-10 Thread Ed Murphy
root wrote: On Jan 10, 2007 12:42 PM, Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I like the idea, but this highlights an abuse of the language that has long been overlooked. I suggest in a timely fashion before and in a timely fashion against. I meant to write in a timely fashion after here. I

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Fwd: Prerogative assignments for January 2008]

2008-01-10 Thread Ed Murphy
pikhq wrote: Object. I was awarded the patent title Minister Without Profile by proposal. Unless CFJ 1859 is appealed and overturned. I suspect it won't be, but I've been maintaining an unofficial Mark record just in case.

Re: DIS: Drafting CFJ 1861

2008-01-10 Thread Ed Murphy
Goethe wrote: Other thought: Legal name in an Agoran CFJ means must refer to legal in terms of Agora and that means Agoran name which is necessarily unique which is legally trivial and not the statement intent but it's what it says. Objection, Your Honor. That sentence should be taken out

DIS: Re: BUS: Nominations

2008-01-11 Thread Ed Murphy
comex wrote: For the CotC election I intend to vote for and only for a candidate who will maintain a database with a web interface (preferably *the* database) emself. Currently we have, in effect, two redundant databases (one of which is a set of text files), one maintained by Murphy, one

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Nominations

2008-01-11 Thread Ed Murphy
comex wrote: - I will try to get stuff from Zefram's archives into the database. (I don't know how flexible the database structure is, but...) CFJ 818*, for example, makes excellent reading, but it's too old to even be in the current database's Stare Decisis. I have offline files of CFJs

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Nominations

2008-01-11 Thread Ed Murphy
comex wrote: It was relocated once before (from Eris's server to mine), but it took a good bit of head-scratching. I could give you a shell account, but then you'd be cut off whenever my server's net connection decided to flake out for a while. (The cfj.qoid.us mirror is a good workaround for

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Nominations

2008-01-11 Thread Ed Murphy
comex wrote: This is a non-issue as far as I can see. If a player submits a CFJ through a web interface, it doesn't actually exist in the gamestate until the submission is posted on a public forum. So the interface would in any case email business on eir behalf (CFJ 1719). That's just to

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Nominations

2008-01-11 Thread Ed Murphy
comex wrote: On Jan 11, 2008 7:13 PM, Roger Hicks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why would automatic assignment be too difficult? Posture and activity changes can easily be tracked manually, and if an occasional invalid judge were to be assigned due to the manual changes not being updated the judge

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Nominations

2008-01-11 Thread Ed Murphy
comex wrote: If such a thing were implemented, any confusion would only occur if someone was delibrately trying to confuse it, i.e. I de-register. This probably wouldn't happen and if so, I'm sure the CotC would be EXCUSED :) Or all messages could be disclaimered with if it is possible and

Re: DIS: Contest Idea

2008-01-12 Thread Ed Murphy
Iammars wrote: Just out of curiosity, would people be interested in a Rumble contest? The rules to Rumble can be found here: http://kevan.org/rumble.cgi Neato.

Re: DIS: Contest Idea

2008-01-13 Thread Ed Murphy
Iammars wrote: 1. At any time, the contestmaster MAY announce a new game of Rumble provided that there are no games of Rumble currently going on. In this announcement, the contestmaster SHOULD announce a number of powers for each contestant to submit and a number of powers for the

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: CFJs 1857a, 1858a: assign comex, Goddess Eris, Murphy

2008-01-13 Thread Ed Murphy
Eris wrote: On 1/10/08, Taral [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/10/08, Zefram [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I hereby assign the judicial panel of comex, Goddess Eris, and Murphy as judge of CFJs 1857a and 1858a. I agree with the appellant's arguments. I intend to OVERTURN with GUILTY. Murphy, any

DIS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1828a: recuse, assign Levi, Murphy, root

2008-01-14 Thread Ed Murphy
Zefram wrote: Detail: http://zenith.homelinux.net/cotc/viewcase.php?cfj=1828a I intend to cause the panel to judge REASSIGN, on the basis that comex apparently did not make the reasonable effort to ask pikhq whether the alleged event occurred.

DIS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1831b: recuse, assign Iammars, Murphy, root

2008-01-14 Thread Ed Murphy
Zefram wrote: Detail: http://zenith.homelinux.net/cotc/viewcase.php?cfj=1831b I intend to cause the panel to judge AFFIRM. Objection clearly appears in the web page (not just its URL), so the multiple votes - FALSE that it was exactly one vote interpretation is correct.

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1865: assign root

2008-01-14 Thread Ed Murphy
root wrote: On Jan 14, 2008 5:56 AM, Zefram [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Initiator's Arguments: Rule 649 says A Patent Title CAN only be awarded by a proposal, or by the announcement of a person specifically authorized by the Rules to make that award. The Patent Title of

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1831b: recuse, assign Iammars, Murphy, root

2008-01-14 Thread Ed Murphy
Goethe wrote: On Mon, 14 Jan 2008, Ed Murphy wrote: I'm confused. You appear to be accepting the appellant's argument that a URL on its own is not a vote, but asserting that the objection on the web page does constitute a vote. This would lead to reversing to TRUE, not to affirming. The web

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Brainfuck Golf Hole #2

2008-01-14 Thread Ed Murphy
Goethe wrote: On Mon, 14 Jan 2008, Geoffrey Spear wrote: I scored 6945, although I'm absolutely certain that if the deadline wasn't today I could've significantly cut that down by the simplest of optimization. Well, I feel dumb too... I got 549, but misremembered the timezones and dinked

DIS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1831b: recuse, assign Iammars, Murphy, root

2008-01-14 Thread Ed Murphy
root wrote: We have established precedent that base64 encoding is not an acceptable format for delivering a message containing game actions. It's acceptable when properly labeled (as you judged in CFJ 1741), unacceptable otherwise (as I did in CFJ 1580). I would lean toward any sort of this

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1860a: assign Murphy, root, woggle

2008-01-14 Thread Ed Murphy
root wrote: On Jan 14, 2008 2:33 PM, Ian Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 11, 2008 3:49 AM, Zefram [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I hereby assign the judicial panel of Murphy, root, and woggle as judge of CFJ 1860a. Detail: http://zenith.homelinux.net/cotc/viewcase.php?cfj=1860a This case

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1860a: assign Murphy, root, woggle

2008-01-14 Thread Ed Murphy
root wrote: On Jan 11, 2008 3:49 AM, Zefram [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I hereby assign the judicial panel of Murphy, root, and woggle as judge of CFJ 1860a. Detail: http://zenith.homelinux.net/cotc/viewcase.php?cfj=1860a This case requires further consideration. Due to the disregard for the

DIS: Re: BUS: My rule 101 rights

2008-01-14 Thread Ed Murphy
pikhq wrote: iv. Every person has the right to refuse to become party to a binding agreement. I refuse to be party to the Vote Market. You have the right to refuse to /become/ party, not the right to refuse to /be/ party. What do you think binding means, anyway?

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1870a: assign Levi, Murphy, root

2008-01-14 Thread Ed Murphy
root wrote: On Jan 14, 2008 6:40 PM, Zefram [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I hereby assign the judicial panel of Levi, Murphy, and root as judge of CFJ 1870a. Detail: http://zenith.homelinux.net/cotc/viewcase.php?cfj=1870a I intend to cause the panel to judge REMAND, as requested by the prior

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Vote Market - Broker's Report

2008-01-15 Thread Ed Murphy
root wrote: On Jan 15, 2008 3:40 PM, Roger Hicks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: January 21, 2008 - BobTHJ obligated to deregister The contract doesn't specify any such time frame. I'd say that as long as you eventually deregister, you will have fulfilled this obligation. From the VM agreement:

DIS: Proto: Transposition

2008-01-16 Thread Ed Murphy
Proto-Proposal: Transposition (AI = 2, please) Amend Rule 2194 (Notes) by replacing (5) During Agora's Birthday, with (W) During Agora's Birthday, and inserting this text immediately before it: (5) A player CAN spend one Note to alter the pitch of all eir other notes by a

Re: DIS: Proto-Judgement on CFJ 1860

2008-01-16 Thread Ed Murphy
Goethe wrote: On Wed, 16 Jan 2008, Zefram wrote: Iammars wrote: The statement here boils down to Is Steve Wallace a Nomic? since if Steve Wallace is a Nomic, the statement is true, where as if Steve Wallace isn't a Nomic, the answer is false. This misses the possibility that Steve Wallace

DIS: Re: OFF: [Non-Assessor] Voting Limits Non-Report

2008-01-16 Thread Ed Murphy
Non-Assessor's Voting Limits Non-Report H. Assessor BobTHJ, you should add the following (from Rule 2177) to subsequent reports, as I had been inadvertently neglecting them: Most recent (21-day) emergency session Date: none Roll call: none

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Non-Assessor] Voting Limits Non-Report

2008-01-16 Thread Ed Murphy
Goethe wrote: On Wed, 16 Jan 2008, Benjamin Schultz wrote: From R869: A player CAN deregister by announcement. E CANNOT register within thirty days after doing so. Enjoy your vacation! But e didn't deregister by announcement. The CotC deregistered em in a Writ of FAGE. So this

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Fix Rule 1586

2008-01-16 Thread Ed Murphy
Iammars wrote: I propose the following: (Name=Fix Rule 1586, AI = 2, Interest = 1) Amend tule 1586 to read: Two Rule-defined entities CANNOT have the same name or nickname. If the game state changes such that a entity ceases to exist, then that entity and its properties cease to exist. If

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Fix Rule 1586

2008-01-16 Thread Ed Murphy
Iammars wrote: On Jan 16, 2008 10:37 PM, comex [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 16, 2008 10:13 PM, Iammars [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: T What is with these blatantly unwrapped proposals?? Huh? Some of us are old-school to

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [IADoP] Report

2008-01-17 Thread Ed Murphy
root wrote: Registrar - Thu 12 Jul 17:25:19 root nominated by Human Point Two Tue 17 Jul 06:18:01 root installed by Human Point Two Fri 7 Sep 18:25:49 PPnominated by comex Mon 31 Dec 10:55:53 avpx nominated by Murphy Levi, you appear to be compensating for

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: distribution of proposal 5409

2008-01-17 Thread Ed Murphy
root wrote: On Jan 17, 2008 11:04 AM, Zefram [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Per CFJs 1758-1759, the vote collection duty moves with the assessorship. The assessor is liable to be delinquent if the office stays vacant, but we'd still have deputisation available. Proposals 5390 - 5404 have not been

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [IADoP] Report

2008-01-17 Thread Ed Murphy
root wrote: On Jan 17, 2008 11:59 AM, Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If your self-nomination is treated as implicit consent, then Levi is overdue to initiate an election between you and BobTHJ. If not, then nothing could have been done; only BobTHJ consented, and e received 2 support

DIS: On second thought, let's not wait

2008-01-17 Thread Ed Murphy
I had some time to kill, so I went ahead with the recalculations. Here is how things would be affected if my results for 5390-5404 were formally disputed, and BobTHJ then posted the same results: Wed 16 Jan 04:40:37 pikhq +3B CFJs 1866-68 Wed 16 Jan 04:46:53 pikhq +1B CFJ 1870 Wed

DIS: On third thought...

2008-01-17 Thread Ed Murphy
BobTHJ can't announce the results because the Writ of FAGE removed em from the office of Assessor, hence from the position of vote collector. Let's go back to the leave the purported results alone approach, then. Meanwhile, possible proposal coming up shortly.

Re: DIS: On second thought, let's not wait

2008-01-17 Thread Ed Murphy
I wrote: woggle wrote: On Thursday 17 January 2008 21:52:25 Ed Murphy wrote: [snip] Net changes: pikhq would have 4 more Rests and a Blue Ribbon. pikhq has a Blue Ribbon regardless (from eir judgement on culpability in CFJ 1866 if the original resolution was valid, from VC conversion

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Ratification

2008-01-17 Thread Ed Murphy
woggle wrote: On Thursday 17 January 2008 22:45:30 Ed Murphy wrote: pikhq wrote: On Thursday 17 January 2008 14:56:13 Josiah Worcester wrote: I intend to ratify Murphy's report on the voting results on proposals 5390-5404. I claim this as erroneous. The purported report, or your intent

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [IADoP] Report

2008-01-17 Thread Ed Murphy
root wrote: On Jan 17, 2008 2:56 PM, Kerim Aydin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fix looks fine, but on a broader scale remind me why dependent actions have to be a subclass of Agoran Decision at all (i.e., the reporting requirements have been fairly burdensome of late). -Goethe Because somebody

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1863a: assign comex, Murphy, root

2008-01-19 Thread Ed Murphy
Ed Murphy wrote: Zefram wrote: I hereby assign the judicial panel of comex, Murphy, and root as judge of CFJ 1863a. I intend to cause the panel to judge REMAND. Arguments: comex, root, did this look okay? (If you've already consented, let me know, I may have misfiled something.)

Re: DIS: Proto-notification of Recognition of Canada

2008-01-19 Thread Ed Murphy
Dear Canadian Embassy, Not sure how they're usually addressed. To whom it may concern? *googles* http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,3-1258378,00.html The Office of Ambassador of Agora Nomic presents its compliments to the Canadian Embassy in city and directs the attention of the

DIS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1831: remanded to Goddess Eris

2008-01-20 Thread Ed Murphy
Zefram wrote: == CFJ 1831 == Initiator: pikhq Judge: Goddess Eris Appeal 1831b: 20 Dec 2007 20:35:09 GMT REMANDED on appeal: 20

Re: DIS: Not judging CFJ 1828

2008-01-20 Thread Ed Murphy
comex wrote: CFJs 1860 and 1828 deal with the same issue and one should be judged based on the precedent of the other. Since 1860 is the CFJ that's garnered all the discussion, and also an inquiry CFJ (whereas mine is criminal) I intend to wait for Iammars's judgement on 1860 to determine the

DIS: Re: BUS: [Brainfuck Golf] Results for Hole #2

2008-01-20 Thread Ed Murphy
root wrote: Entrant: Murphy Validity: Invalid Length: 1216 Reason: No matter what I enter, I always seem to get back as the result. Could someone double-check this? It passed my unit tests, at least, which were something like 1 1+ 10 1- 10 11* 110 11/

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1831: remanded to Goddess Eris

2008-01-20 Thread Ed Murphy
root wrote: CFJs 1295 and 1533 have similar histories. List of all cases on record as appealed twice: 1268 T, reassign, T, sustain 1295 T, reassign (2/1 over sustain), F, reassign, T 1533 F, remand, T, remand (2/1 over reverse), F 1550 F, sustain (2/1 over remand), reverse (2/1 over

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1864: assign Goddess Eris

2008-01-20 Thread Ed Murphy
pikhq wrote: On Sunday 20 January 2008 20:59:22 Taral wrote: On 1/14/08, Zefram [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I hereby assign Goddess Eris as judge of CFJ 1864. I judge TRUE. One of the members of the Left Hand has stated that the Right Hand agreement provides for one or another of the partners

Re: DIS: Canada

2008-01-21 Thread Ed Murphy
Eris wrote: Well, that settles that. Canada is not a game either, by the definitions cited. Canadian MPs might disagree.

DIS: Re: BUS: Assessor Election

2008-01-21 Thread Ed Murphy
Levi wrote: I initiate an Agoran Decision to resolve the holder of the Assessor office. The valid options are BOBTHJ, ROOT and MURPHY. Did I consent to this? In any case, I don't want it (thus triggering pikhq's conditional).

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Ratification

2008-01-21 Thread Ed Murphy
root wrote: This doesn't work, because the voting results aren't part of an official report. Gah. And I should know, too, I wrote that part of Rule 1551. Oh well, it will self-ratify on the 23rd at 03:07:21 UTC. (Also, any previous results incorrectly announced by the AFO rather than me

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Ratification

2008-01-21 Thread Ed Murphy
woggle wrote: They would self-ratify. Quoth R2034: A public document purporting to resolve an Agoran decision is self-ratifying. No they wouldn't, because messages purporting to resolve Agoran decisions generally aren't public documents. Fix proposal coming up.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Ratification

2008-01-21 Thread Ed Murphy
I wrote: woggle wrote: They would self-ratify. Quoth R2034: A public document purporting to resolve an Agoran decision is self-ratifying. No they wouldn't, because messages purporting to resolve Agoran decisions generally aren't public documents. Fix proposal coming up. Never

DIS: Proto: Generalize ratification

2008-01-21 Thread Ed Murphy
Proto-Proposal: Generalize ratification (AI = 3, please) Amend Rule 1551 (Ratification) by replacing this text: An official document is a public document purported to be part (possibly all) of an official report; this part is the document's scope. Any player CAN, without

Re: DIS: Proto: Generalize ratification

2008-01-21 Thread Ed Murphy
pikhq wrote: On Monday 21 January 2008 20:08:03 Ian Kelly wrote: On Jan 21, 2008 8:02 PM, Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any player CAN, without objection, ratify a specified public document. I bet the distributor could come up with nice scams based on this. -root

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