DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald] The Scroll of Agora

2011-10-26 Thread Sean Hunt
On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 11:20, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote:              Junta  ais523, the AFO, omd (x2), G., OscarMeyr, schunt typo Sean

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Search parties give up

2011-10-26 Thread Sean Hunt
On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 14:59, Pavitra celestialcognit...@gmail.com wrote: On 10/26/2011 01:52 PM, Sean Hunt wrote: On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 14:39, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: SPELUNKING THE RULES CONTEST  After some perusal of the July/August archives, I am not finding

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Search parties give up

2011-10-26 Thread Sean Hunt
On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 17:00, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: (sigh) I knew someone would do this.  This is why no-one likes us. Gratuitous: 1.  The auto-picks script produces random numbers similar to other internet dice servers.  For this contest, as for other previous

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: i am against scs hunt proposal

2011-10-24 Thread Sean Hunt
On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 16:49, Elliott Hird penguinoftheg...@googlemail.com wrote: are you human i'm so confused yes i tots m

Re: DIS: recognizing the carnage

2011-10-21 Thread Sean Hunt
On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 15:02, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: Proto: Enact the following rule, Honoring our Troops, power = 1.5: If a judge delivers a finding of TRUE on a question of whether Agora has been involved in a substantial invasion attempt with another

Re: DIS: recognizing the carnage

2011-10-21 Thread Sean Hunt
On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 16:47, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: Come to think of it, the last time Agora had a sufficiently powerful Speaker it was a wholly elected position orthogonal to winning. Other times of powerful elected officers have been interesting in a good way, too

DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 3107 assigned to ais523

2011-10-20 Thread Sean Hunt
Judge: ais523 :ARROW:

DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Proposal 7125-6 7115

2011-10-17 Thread Sean Hunt
On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 10:09, Arkady English arkadyenglish+ag...@gmail.com wrote: As UTC Midnight, this week, the proposal pool has the following: What is this i don't even. 7126: Cambridge Bye-Law In order to demonstrate their committment to justice, all standing judges are required

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Proposal 7125-6 7115

2011-10-17 Thread Sean Hunt
On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 12:34, Arkady English arkadyenglish+ag...@gmail.com wrote: I decided to give it a title at the time of distribution. Seeing as I authored the proposal, I don't see the problem there. In any case, CFJ1546 and CFJ1669 would indicate that this is legal, as the addition of

DIS: a deal

2011-10-13 Thread Sean Hunt
If, in the next week, someone publishes up to date reports for each office, I will assume at least one office and being performing its duties fully. Sean

Re: DIS: De-slumpifying

2011-10-02 Thread Sean Hunt
On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 15:43, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: Here are Registrar-relevant actions since the last report:  * 31 Jul 11:16:30  Gondolier inactive                     Quazie, Sgeo, Florw deregistered  *  7 Aug 04:52:29  Benu registered  *  9 Aug 04:11:33  G. deregistered

DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposals 7119 - 7124

2011-09-10 Thread Sean Hunt
On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 13:05, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: omd                2A Quorum        7     7     7     7     7     7 Voters        6     7     6     6     6     6 hahahaha

DIS: Re: BUS: Ambassadoring proposals

2011-08-15 Thread Sean Hunt
On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 02:02, Jonatan Kilhamn jonatan.kilh...@gmail.comwrote: BEGIN PROPOSAL Long-term ambassador powers (AI = 1) Amend Rule 2352, replacing the following part: When the office of Ambassador first becomes filled, the holder SHALL as soon as possible attempt to

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Ambassadoring proposals

2011-08-15 Thread Sean Hunt
On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 03:22, Jonatan Kilhamn jonatan.kilh...@gmail.comwrote: Right, maybe the SHOULD quoted ought to be a SHALL? - Tiger Yeah, that makes sense. Originally I thought it didn't for some reason, but it makes sense that it should. Unrelated: do you want your name changed back

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJs 3072a, 3073 assigned to woggle, Yally, Tanner L. Swett

2011-08-15 Thread Sean Hunt
On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 16:00, Aaron Goldfein aarongoldf...@gmail.com wrote: I agree with scshunt's arguments. Destroying the points all at once is permitted by the rules, even if it is a mistake in the rules. Trying to catch him on some other issue that the courts already DISMISSED in order to

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (With apologies to the Horton) Vote-swap scheme.

2011-08-10 Thread Sean Hunt
On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 21:41, Pavitra celestialcognit...@gmail.com wrote: On 08/10/2011 11:24 PM, Sean Hunt wrote: I destroy my copy of this Promise. I'm not sure this actually works. I vaguely remember an attempt to fix this problem with legislation, which I think passed, but... R2166

Re: DIS: by the way

2011-08-09 Thread Sean Hunt
On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 23:52, Benu Phoenix ag...@beowulf.benuphoenix.com wrote: On Mon, 8 Aug 2011, Sean Hunt wrote: Fast. Your intent was unambiguously successful. What does that mean? I'm sorta new, and don't understand. PS: Sorry for the garbled previous post. -- Benu Phoenix Fast

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (With apologies to the Horton) Vote-swap scheme.

2011-08-09 Thread Sean Hunt
On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 08:11, Pavitra celestialcognit...@gmail.com wrote: *rereads* Right, I'm with you again now. Okay, I agree that it's cashable. But there's a catastrophic bug in it that I think I'd rather exploit than explain. I'd love to exploit it too, except I think the promise is

DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 3079 assigned to scshunt

2011-08-08 Thread Sean Hunt
On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 08:50, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: Detail: http://zenith.homelinux.net/cotc/viewcase.php?cfj=3079 =  Criminal Case 3079  =    Murphy violated Rule 1504 (Criminal Cases) by failing to destroy    or transfer to

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJs 3040-41 judged TRUE by Murphy

2011-08-08 Thread Sean Hunt
On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 14:12, Elliott Hird penguinoftheg...@googlemail.com wrote: On 8 August 2011 21:18, Pavitra celestialcognit...@gmail.com wrote: I thought it would be intuitively obvious that generally-regarded-secure hash functions don't have short meaningful collisions. I only brought in

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJs 3072-73, 3082 assigned to Pavitra

2011-08-08 Thread Sean Hunt
On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 15:54, Pavitra celestialcognit...@gmail.com wrote: On 08/08/2011 05:17 PM, Ed Murphy wrote: Gratuitous:  scshunt was not the defendant in CFJ 3054. Wait, what? *rereads* ... Well, I feel silly. I thought I was being careful and everything. The errors in this

Re: DIS: any winning or contests?

2011-08-08 Thread Sean Hunt
On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 19:51, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: Am I right when I say no one has actually won the game recently, not even Walker?  Or did I miss a successful victory case or two? Or is the dumb system completely broken. Also, I don't think I saw a single Delve entry

Re: DIS: by the way

2011-08-08 Thread Sean Hunt
On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 20:07, Pavitra celestialcognit...@gmail.com wrote: What's the Speed currently set to? I was never totally clear on how that all worked out. Fast. Your intent was unambiguously successful. Sean

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: I dun like this

2011-07-31 Thread Sean Hunt
On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 04:21, Charles Walker charles.w.wal...@gmail.comwrote: On 31 July 2011 03:36, Sean Hunt scsh...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca wrote: Proposal: A successful economy must have some other objective (AI=2) {{ Repeal rule 2332 (Winning by Points). }} As I've stated, I oppose

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Former player waving hi, and a protectorate

2011-07-28 Thread Sean Hunt
On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 17:08, Geoffrey Spear geoffsp...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 5:05 PM, Benjamin Schultz ben.dov.schu...@gmail.com wrote: A message board I'm on started a nomic game today. No it didn't, it started a calvinball game; a game with a rule explicitly saying

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 3068 assigned to omd

2011-07-24 Thread Sean Hunt
I support and do so (resolving the intent). [I want to see what happens if the same case is appealed twice in parallel.] Pavitra However, rules to the contrary notwithstanding, an appeal CANNOT be initiated concerning an assignment caused by a judgement in an appeal case,

DIS: test

2011-07-18 Thread Sean Hunt

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: A modest proposal

2011-07-07 Thread Sean Hunt
On 11-07-07 07:21 AM, Geoffrey Spear wrote: On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 1:16 AM, Sean Huntscsh...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca wrote: WHEREAS B Nomic, a well-played Nomic, did claim to pass a proposal directing a player to end the game, Your definition of well-played may be off a bit; that was

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of Proposals 7094-7101

2011-07-07 Thread Sean Hunt
On 07/07/11 17:06, Ed Murphy wrote: 7101 3  Pavitra   Submitting Promises ENDORSE AGORA Given recent proposals, and the past use of endorse Agora as shorthand for something like if FA then F else if AF then A else P, I'm interpreting this as ineffective due to lack of clarity. Agora

DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 3064 assigned to scshunt

2011-07-06 Thread Sean Hunt
On 11-07-06 07:17 PM, Ed Murphy wrote: Detail: http://zenith.homelinux.net/cotc/viewcase.php?cfj=3064 == CFJ 3064 == scshunt has cast two votes endorsing Murphy on Proposal 7086.

DIS: Re: BUS: Quorum Proposals

2011-07-05 Thread Sean Hunt
On 11-07-05 01:37 AM, Charles Walker wrote: {{ Call of the House Amend Rule 2168 (Extending the voting period) by appending: When a decision's voting period has been extended, any player CAN, with two support, issue a Call of the House on the decision. When a Call of the

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposals 7081 - 7083

2011-07-05 Thread Sean Hunt
On 11-07-05 06:41 PM, omd wrote: On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 1:10 PM, Ed Murphyemurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: *7083 3.0 Walker Re-jigged Re-jiggery So, this proposal put language about proposals in a rule titled Decisions with Adoption Indices. On the bright side, it repealed Priority...

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Chamber CFJ

2011-06-29 Thread Sean Hunt
On 11-06-29 09:03 AM, Charles Walker wrote: On 29 June 2011 16:51, Sean Huntscsh...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca wrote: On 11-06-29 02:32 AM, Charles Walker wrote: I CFJ on Chamber is a switch. Arguments: FALSE as no officer tracks it. The same goes for adoption index, which means that no recent

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Chamber CFJ

2011-06-29 Thread Sean Hunt
On 11-06-29 09:31 AM, omd wrote: On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 11:51 AM, Sean Huntscsh...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca wrote: I intend, with two support, to file a motion to reconsider. While I'm not sure if I agree at all with the conclusion that AI is a useless property, I would note that any comparison

DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald] The Scroll of Agora

2011-06-29 Thread Sean Hunt
On 11-06-10 09:28 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: GRAND HERO OF AGORA NOMIC Peter Suber, Chuck Carroll, Douglas Hofstadter HERO OF AGORA NOMIC Murphy These should be moved to the forefront. -scshunt

DIS: Re: BUS: Happy birthday!

2011-06-29 Thread Sean Hunt
On 06/29/11 12:45, Aaron Goldfein wrote: Agora can make its own decisions. If, at any time, Agora wishes to counteract a decision, then that decision, rules to the contrary notwithstanding, has no effect. The game of Agora, but not any player of it, can make arbitrary changes to the gamestate.

DIS: Re: BUS: Happy birthday!

2011-06-29 Thread Sean Hunt
On 06/29/11 18:23, Chuck Carroll wrote: I send many warm wishes to Agora and to all current and former Agorans on the occasion of Agora's 18th birthday. Looking over the ruleset, I find myself doubly astonished at its state, compared to its state when I was last a player many years ago: I am

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Flawless Victory

2011-06-29 Thread Sean Hunt
On 06/29/11 19:36, omd wrote: On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 7:53 PM, Kerim Aydinke...@u.washington.edu wrote: Such declarations are self-ratifying in terms of whether the indicated Victory Condition was met and that the person(s) names as meeting the condition have in

DIS: Re: BUS: Flawless Victory

2011-06-28 Thread Sean Hunt
On 11-06-28 06:41 AM, Charles Walker wrote: I submit the following proposal: {{ Flawless Victory (AI 1.7) Amend Rule 2343 (Victory Cases) by removing with support. Award the Patent Title Champion to Walker. }} I would vote for the first part but not the second, as you'll still eventually

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Registration

2011-06-28 Thread Sean Hunt
On 11-06-28 04:09 PM, Joshua Murphy wrote: Does that mean I win? Check the rules. Also, don't top-post. Bottom-posting is the custom in Agora and top-posting will just confuse things to the point where conversations can't be followed -scshunt

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Delvor] auto-picks

2011-06-27 Thread Sean Hunt
On 06/27/11 10:48, omd wrote: On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 1:07 PM, Kerim Aydinke...@u.washington.edu wrote: Rule 869 (How to Join and Leave Agora) Helmets on, all! Proposal: Ye Marvy (AI=2) Amend Rule 1504 (Criminal Cases) by replacing: * DISCHARGE, appropriate only in extraordinary

DIS: Re: BUS: Register

2011-06-26 Thread Sean Hunt
On 11-06-26 08:47 PM, Gondola Gorgonzola wrote: Very well, I maybe got carried away. So when should I expect to be accepted as a member? Gondolier As soon as your earlier email was sent. -scshunt

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 3037 assigned to Walker

2011-06-21 Thread Sean Hunt
On 11-06-21 02:27 AM, Alex Smith wrote: --- On Tue, 21/6/11, Pavitracelestialcognit...@gmail.com wrote: Back on the first hand, I could have refrained from disclosing the content of the document in question, and while it probably would have been possible to discover this (the document does not

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJs 3028-29 assigned to Tanner L. Swett

2011-06-19 Thread Sean Hunt
On 11-06-19 08:04 PM, Tanner Swett wrote: = Criminal Case 3028 = I violated R2143 by failing to distribute proposals during the week of May 8-14. To my knowledge, there were proposals that should have been distributed that week, omd

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [IADoP] Battle Stations

2011-06-09 Thread Sean Hunt
On 06/09/11 19:23, com...@gmail.com wrote: On Jun 9, 2011, at 7:46 PM, Sean Huntscsh...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca wrote: REPORT OF THE INTERSTELLAR ASSOCIATE DIRECTOR OF PERSONNEL == OFFICE HOLDER SINCE ELECTIONASSUMPTION

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [IADoP] Battle Stations

2011-06-09 Thread Sean Hunt
On 06/09/11 20:15, Pavitra wrote: On 06/09/2011 09:27 PM, Sean Hunt wrote: CoE: I am also a candidate. [citation needed] R2154par2: When an election is initiated, the current holder of the office (if any) is initially considered to have been nominated and have accepted

Re: DIS: Proto: Abercrombie and Fitch

2011-06-05 Thread Sean Hunt
Interesting. I think it would be more interesting to vary the AAA component a little bit, but I like the concept. Notes inline. On 11-06-05 04:14 PM, Ed Murphy wrote: [Crossing the AAA with some ideas from the board game Puerto Rico. Thoughts?] 1) Administrivia: a) The name of this

Re: DIS: Proto: Abercrombie and Fitch

2011-06-05 Thread Sean Hunt
On 11-06-05 05:47 PM, Ed Murphy wrote: b) If a Farmer has not specified a role within one day of it being eir turn to do so, the VPoA CAN and SHALL cause em to specify a random role from among the valid choices. Oh. I see. A clause here to ensure three roles a week would be

Re: DIS: Competitive payments

2011-06-04 Thread Sean Hunt
On 11-06-04 07:19 PM, Elliott Hird wrote: On 5 June 2011 03:10, Pavitracelestialcognit...@gmail.com wrote: Is it possible that 'grindy' is a virtue here? Maybe we need light, goofy condiments on a solid, grindy base. FWIW, I never played the AAA because it looked intensely boring to

Re: DIS: Competitive payments

2011-06-04 Thread Sean Hunt
On 11-06-04 07:19 PM, Elliott Hird wrote: On 5 June 2011 03:10, Pavitracelestialcognit...@gmail.com wrote: Is it possible that 'grindy' is a virtue here? Maybe we need light, goofy condiments on a solid, grindy base. FWIW, I never played the AAA because it looked intensely boring to

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Whoa, whoa

2011-06-03 Thread Sean Hunt
On 11-06-02 11:14 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: Er, is there any actual reason it would break the game? Walker and I came to the conclusion that it didn't (during the proto stage) so I'd appreciate more than a knee-jerk oh this might be broken from schunt. -G. A rule that says except as allowed by

DIS: Re: BUS: hrm

2011-06-03 Thread Sean Hunt
On 11-06-03 12:57 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: On Thu, 2 Jun 2011, Sean Hunt wrote: Note that the answer to this CFJ may well be TRUE by way of AIAN. By preventing proposals from making rule changes, we would be left without a way to ratify rule changes, I believe, and thus AIAN may have kicked

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: hrm

2011-06-03 Thread Sean Hunt
On 06/03/11 10:30, Charles Walker wrote: Gratuitous: We still have this in R106 (power 3): If the option selected by Agora on this decision is ADOPTED, then the proposal is adopted, and unless other rules prevent it from taking effect, its power is set to the minimum of

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: hrm

2011-06-03 Thread Sean Hunt
On 06/03/11 10:47, Charles Walker wrote: What else does a proposal do when it takes effect? Turn into a monkey? It does whatever the rules say which, presently, is nothing. Sean

DIS: Re: BUS: The speed of what?

2011-06-03 Thread Sean Hunt
On 06/03/11 17:06, Benjamin Caplan wrote: I CFJ: The Speed switch is a switch. Arguments: R2347/0 (Speed) fails to specify, in the words of R2162/1 (Switches), [t]he type(s) of entity possessing an instance of that switch. In particular, this information is specified nowhere in the rules. Thus,

DIS: Competitive payments

2011-06-03 Thread Sean Hunt
I kind of want to experiment with a zero-sum currency. Some actions, such as raising the AI for a proposal, would be paid to the person maligned (the author of the proposal). Other actions would be paid into some system of roughly equally distributing officer salaries. Thoughts? -scshunt

Re: DIS: Competitive payments

2011-06-03 Thread Sean Hunt
On 06/03/11 22:01, Benjamin Caplan wrote: Is it infinitely divisible? If not, how many units are there? Is the total quantity fixed, or is the ratio of coins to players fixed? If the latter, what happens if someone deregisters with fewer than N coins? Not infinitely divisible; not sure about

Re: DIS: Competitive payments

2011-06-03 Thread Sean Hunt
On 06/03/11 22:26, Benjamin Caplan wrote: The second option would probably be more work than it's worth for the recordkeepor. And has an unfortunate effect if all of Wooble's coins are owned by others. -scshunt

DIS: proto: the buck

2011-05-22 Thread Sean Hunt
There is a buck. A player who breaks a rule can be given the buck. Beyond that, I'm out of ideas.

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [IADoP] Battle Stations

2011-05-22 Thread Sean Hunt
On 11-05-22 10:18 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: Now, see, if NoV's still existed, I could contest it, point out that you missed it, and it would be resolved without issue. See? And TTPF: Defendant's statement: Mea culpa; I humbly request Apology as they tend to be slightly More Interesting than

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJs 3019-20 assigned to Walker

2011-05-19 Thread Sean Hunt
On 05/19/11 13:37, ais523 wrote: I think there's at least a debate about whether single should be parsed as a noun here, given that it was obviously intended to be an adjective. If it's not a noun, then there is no switch since a switch has a class of entities to which it applies. Sean

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of Proposals 7053-7058

2011-05-18 Thread Sean Hunt
On 11-05-18 10:08 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: 7055 2 scshunt Quickly, now AGAINST/AGAINST and then AGAINST/AGAINST 7056 2 Tanner L. Swett Speed notation AGAINST/AGAINST and then AGAINST/AGAINST Why against these two, if your votes worked at all? Sean

DIS: Re: BUS: huh

2011-05-17 Thread Sean Hunt
On 05/17/11 13:51, Ed Murphy wrote: Wooble wrote: If and only if Agora was Satisfied with my intent to register with Agoran Consent, I do so. (I count 3 supporters and 3 objectors, but Murphy's count was 4 and 1. I think eir count is almost certainly wrong because ais523 and ehird both

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposals 7028 - 7051

2011-05-17 Thread Sean Hunt
On 05/17/11 20:17, omd wrote: On Sun, May 15, 2011 at 8:10 PM, Ed Murphyemurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: Proposal 7032 (AI=3) by omd Flexibility (fixed) Amend Rule 683 (Voting on Agoran Decisions) by replacing one with two. This amendment modifies two clauses; the unexpected one is this

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Fwd: Your message to agora-official awaits moderator approval

2011-05-17 Thread Sean Hunt
On 11-05-17 09:43 PM, omd wrote: On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 12:28 AM, Geoffrey Speargeoffsp...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 11:20 PM, omdc.ome...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, it still is that big. :) Good thing we voted agora-public out of existence, then. We didn't. We didn't? Why

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [IADoP] Battle Stations

2011-05-15 Thread Sean Hunt
On 11-05-15 08:30 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: On Sun, 15 May 2011, Sean Hunt wrote: Patent Titles Herald Monthly 2011-03-04 *OVERDUE* ^^^ you should use a blink tag on that. It would be all spaceship-alert panel like. Amend

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: The Exiled Republican State of the Nation of Agora Nomic

2011-05-08 Thread Sean Hunt
On 11-05-08 04:01 PM, Jonathan Rouillard wrote: Tu ne parles pas français certain, sinon tu saurais que la français, ça ne se dit pas. =P Et votre grammaire est horrible aussi. -scshunt

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of Proposals 7028-7051

2011-05-05 Thread Sean Hunt
On 11-05-05 07:47 AM, Eric Stucky wrote: I CFJ: Tanner Swett's most recent ENDORSE vote caused him to vote AGAINST. Arguments: The real question here is whether the wording most recently published applies to the future as well as the past. Clearly, as nobody except Tanner and me have posted

DIS: Re: BUS: Point Speaker

2011-05-05 Thread Sean Hunt
On 05/05/11 11:27, Charles Walker wrote: I submit the following proposal: {{ Point Speaker (AI 2) Amend Rule 103 (The Speaker) by replacing The Speaker is the single first-class player who holds the most Postulated Offices, or if there is no such player, the player who

DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 3007 assigned to scshunt

2011-05-05 Thread Sean Hunt
On 04/24/11 20:00, Ed Murphy wrote: Detail: http://zenith.homelinux.net/cotc/viewcase.php?cfj=3007 == CFJ 3007 == Two instances of the same sentence in different contexts are different statements.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Point Speaker

2011-05-05 Thread Sean Hunt
On 05/05/11 12:16, Charles Walker wrote: Which, by satisfying, players would cause emselves to cease to be Speaker. Sure, but we shouldn't create a confluence of goals. Sean

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 3011 assigned to scshunt

2011-05-05 Thread Sean Hunt
On 05/05/11 14:14, Charles Walker wrote: On 5 May 2011 21:43, Sean Huntscsh...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca wrote: On 05/05/11 11:35, Sean Hunt wrote: On 04/28/11 06:42, Ed Murphy wrote: Detail: http://zenith.homelinux.net/cotc/viewcase.php?cfj=3011 == CFJ 3011

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 3011 assigned to scshunt

2011-05-05 Thread Sean Hunt
On 05/05/11 16:12, Ed Murphy wrote: No you don't. Why not?

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 3011 assigned to scshunt

2011-05-05 Thread Sean Hunt
On 05/05/11 18:08, Ed Murphy wrote: You just judged that the promise was uncashable. I don't think that omd's use of caching instead of cashing matters, nor do I see any other implicit loopholes in the issue. You're confusing the promises; the one I judged was ais523. -scshunt

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJs 3009-10 assigned to Walker

2011-04-25 Thread Sean Hunt
On 25 April 2011 04:01, Ed Murphyemurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: == CFJ 3009 == An entity poorly qualified to judge a case is necessarily qualified to judge that case.

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Criminal Punishments

2011-04-25 Thread Sean Hunt
On 11-04-25 05:53 PM, omd wrote: But we don't actually do that. I don't have statistics, but as I recall, in practice almost all NoVs are for major offenses, and a majority go to trial; most minor offenses (of the sort that would clog up the courts) are not prosecuted in the first place.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Judgement

2011-04-25 Thread Sean Hunt
On 11-04-25 06:00 PM, Aaron Goldfein wrote: Well, I was fundamentally mistreated, given that I was punished in an ex post facto manner, an affront to human decency. You were given a punishment with a flawed implementation. Then it was fixed. This is not ex post facto punishment; you knew what

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Don't want these things lying around.

2011-04-25 Thread Sean Hunt
On 11-04-25 06:16 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: If someone can destroy their own pledge, it no longer functions as a pledge. You are removing a fundamental design feature. -G. This is only for a unilateral promise (one that is open to everyone) and the requirement of notice ensure that it can't be

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Don't want these things lying around.

2011-04-25 Thread Sean Hunt
On 11-04-25 06:39 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: That is insufficient. If someone wants to make a campaign pledge I promise to do X if elected then can revoke the promise 4 days later, it ceases to function. Pledges were by far the most common and useful sort of contract we used to have, so default

DIS: Re: BUS: Bribery

2011-04-25 Thread Sean Hunt
On 11-04-25 08:07 PM, Ed Murphy wrote: Proposal: Unconditional permanence (AI = 2) Amend Rule 2338 (Cashing Promises) by appending this text to the second paragraph: (For this purpose, a condition of the form This promise is not destroyed when cashed is treated as being true.)

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Don't want these things lying around.

2011-04-25 Thread Sean Hunt
On 11-04-25 08:38 PM, Ed Murphy wrote: Unrelated: why hasn't anyone published a ruleset since March 3? No Rulekeepor.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 3008 assigned to G.

2011-04-25 Thread Sean Hunt
On 11-04-25 11:18 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: Having confirmed that the FLR in question doesn't exist, I judge IRRELEVANT: extrapolation of the game or its rules to conditions that don't actually exist. -G. This is also acceptable. -scshunt

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Salary cuts

2011-04-24 Thread Sean Hunt
On 11-04-24 02:53 PM, Charles Walker wrote: Why do you intend to give several offices which have no monthly duties a monthly salary? I did not consider that only weekly duties imply weekly salaries and only monthly duties imply monthly salaries. It is important to have stable Promotor and

DIS: Re: BUS: gggrumble

2011-04-24 Thread Sean Hunt
On 11-04-24 11:10 PM, Aaron Goldfein wrote: On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 23:05, Sean Hunt scsh...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca mailto:scsh...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca wrote: I intend, without two objections or with Agoran Consent, to set the Weekly Salary of the Assessor to 12. -scshunt I

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: gggrumble

2011-04-24 Thread Sean Hunt
On 11-04-24 11:42 PM, Aaron Goldfein wrote: True, but I'm also not the Assessor and don't look to be it anytime soon. So, I should oppose any measure which grants power to my opponents. His salary is already 15. Failure to follow the game grants power to your opponents. -scshutn

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: gggrumble

2011-04-24 Thread Sean Hunt
On 11-04-25 12:02 AM, Aaron Goldfein wrote: Isn't this all moot anyway? Your reduced salaries proposal is probably going to pass, and then the Assessor's salary will be 6 regardless of what happens with this. -1 for reading comprehension; the other one was a series of intents, not a proposal.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: gggrumble

2011-04-24 Thread Sean Hunt
On 11-04-25 12:28 AM, Aaron Goldfein wrote: I declare war on scshunt. Proto: War Hostility is a switch for subsets of players of size 2, with values peace (default) and war. Any player CAN, with notice, declare war on any other player by announcement. Any player CAN make peace with any

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: hrmph

2011-04-14 Thread Sean Hunt
On 11-04-14 04:04 PM, Geoffrey Spear wrote: On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 3:49 PM, omdc.ome...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 1:03 PM, Geoffrey Speargeoffsp...@gmail.com wrote: I'm annoyed at the FLR's lack of CFJ annotations. I nominate myself as Rulekeepor. I intend to deputize for the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Winnar

2011-04-10 Thread Sean Hunt
On 11-04-11 12:38 AM, Elliott Hird wrote: On 10 April 2011 23:52, Sean Huntscsh...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca wrote: I CFJ { If a player were to win the game, the game would end. } Arguments: Winning is not currently defined in the rules. By the ordinary-language sense of winning, winning terminates

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: NoVkeeping

2011-03-30 Thread Sean Hunt
On 11-03-30 11:15 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: Short answer: because of R2230. Long answer: At the time it made sense to give the job to the herald for some reason I forget. (oh, because e tracked fugitives maybe). It doesn't make so much sense anymore. Because we got rid of Insulator on the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [IADoP] Registrar Election

2011-03-19 Thread Sean Hunt
On 11-03-19 02:57 PM, Ed Murphy wrote: The Speaker CAN, by announcement, cause the President to take an action that is not otherwise IMPOSSIBLE. If there is no Speaker, then the player who was most recently Speaker (if any) CAN, by announcement, cause the President

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [IADoP] Registrar Election

2011-03-19 Thread Sean Hunt
On 11-03-19 03:30 PM, Ed Murphy wrote: The President being required to do impossible actions seems rare enough not to worry about it until a specific example comes up. (The any first-class player clause doesn't include the IMPOSSIBLE bit either.) What about the Agoran Consent or without

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 6972-6977

2011-03-19 Thread Sean Hunt
On 11-03-19 09:33 PM, omd wrote: On Sat, Mar 19, 2011 at 9:31 PM, Sean Huntscsh...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca wrote: NoV: I accuse Tanner L. Swett of violating the power-3 Rule 2170 by making the above-quoted public statement intended to mislead Agorans as to the identity of its publisher. I

DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposals 6963 - 6971

2011-03-19 Thread Sean Hunt
On 11-03-19 10:16 PM, Ed Murphy wrote: - if the Justiciar has published an opinion on the case clearly marked as the Justiciar's Opinion and indicating a valid judgement, and that judgement is the same as one given by at least one panel member (other than the

Re: DIS: Recruitor

2011-03-19 Thread Sean Hunt
On 11-03-19 11:29 PM, Aaron Goldfein wrote: As I'm sure all have noticed, Agoran activity is very low. When I first joined the game only two short years ago, the game was very active and fantastically entertaining for all involved. However, that is not so much the case anymore, as Agora has been

DIS: Re: BUS: Now that there's no Justiciar to worry about

2011-03-06 Thread Sean Hunt
On 11-03-05 02:48 PM, Ed Murphy wrote: Three of the inquiry cases numbered -1 (initiated by ehird in December 2010) have open appeals. I assign each of these appeal cases to the panel of omd, scshunt and Wooble. See http://zenith.homelinux.net/cotc/stare_detail/negative1.txt for the past

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: End of game

2011-03-04 Thread Sean Hunt
On 11-03-04 11:29 AM, omd wrote: On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 11:13 AM, Sean Huntscsh...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca wrote: On 11-03-04 01:28 AM, Aaron Goldfein wrote: Proposal: End the Game (AI = 3): There is no spoon. There there is an Agora. But, when this proposal goes into effect, there becomes a

DIS: Re: BUS: 80-pickup

2011-03-03 Thread Sean Hunt
On 11-03-03 01:26 PM, omd wrote: I deputise for the Promotor to distribute the following proposal (from last month). The matter to be decided is whether to adopt it; the set of eligible voters is the set of active first-class players at the time of this message; the options available are FOR

Re: DIS: Are the lists up?

2011-02-24 Thread Sean Hunt
On 11-02-23 05:56 PM, Elliott Hird wrote: No activity for days, this is a test... No

DIS: Re: OFF: [assumed promotor] distribution of proposals 6960-6961

2011-02-15 Thread Sean Hunt
On 11-02-15 11:18 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: I assume the office of Promotor, perform the following distribution, and then resign the office of Promotor: This distribution of proposals 6960-6961 initiates the Agoran Decisions on whether to adopt them. The eligible voters are the active players

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