Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: [BF Joust] Intent to end currrent tournament

2010-08-10 Thread omd
I have no idea what that message is but we really ought to bring back contests. Sent from my iPad On Aug 10, 2010, at 5:36 PM, ais523 callforjudgem...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: On Tue, 2010-08-10 at 16:30 -0500, Aaron Goldfein wrote: Wrong mailing list. Right list, wrong year. -- ais523

DIS: Re: BUS: Timing and ISIDTID

2010-08-11 Thread omd
Yo dawg. Sent from my iPad On Aug 11, 2010, at 11:46 AM, Alex Smith ais...@bham.ac.uk wrote: I call for judgement on the statement It is POSSIBLE for the CotC to assign a judge to a CFJ, other than this one, which has exactly this statement. Then if I have not already done so, I publish a

DIS: 2830

2010-08-16 Thread omd
So, what sort of disclaimers work? The judgements of CFJs 1935, 1971, and 2227 imply that they can come after a message without trouble, and CFJ 1971 in particular that an excessively disclaimered message fails to provide any substantive information and so fails to take some actions; but here is

Re: DIS: 2830

2010-08-16 Thread omd
On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 4:27 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: Looking through all this, I think disclaimers should have no direct legal effect other than to alert people that something might be wrong.  Then, if a truthiness case is brought, an honest disclaimer about minor

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: OK Go

2010-08-16 Thread omd
On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 5:29 PM, Keba ag...@kebay.org wrote:        Rules to the contrary notwithstanding, the voting period for a        decision with at least two options cannot be shorter than seven        days, except a Rule with a power of 3 or higher explicitly        states so.

DIS: Re: BUS: No unnatural rights

2010-08-23 Thread omd
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 1:21 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote:       BE IT HEREBY PROCLAIMED that no interpretation of Agoran law or       binding agreement may substantially limit or remove a natural       person's rights as defined by this Rule, except through the       explicit

Re: DIS: annotating the ruleset (for new players)

2010-08-23 Thread omd
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 3:03 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: On Mon, 23 Aug 2010, Alex Smith wrote: --- On Mon, 23/8/10, comex com...@gmail.com wrote: http://agora.qoid.us/current_flr.html?annotate=1 Ambiguous annotations found so far: Fixed most of these.

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of Proposal 6796

2010-08-23 Thread omd
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 12:37 AM, Sean Hunt scsh...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca wrote: Also, you cannot do this, as Wooble CAN legally distribute a proposal. Not this one.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Not a cronjob

2010-08-24 Thread omd
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 11:55 AM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: On Mon, 23 Aug 2010, Sean Hunt wrote: I change my nickname to 'The Robot'. -coppro See CFJ 1520. In this case, the entity with the name The Robot will be coppro *at the time of the enaction of the rule*. Also: A

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of Proposal 6796

2010-08-24 Thread omd
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 3:47 AM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: CFJ, disqualifying omd:  In the section of Rule 106 quoted in caller's evidence, permit should be interpreted as referring to possibility and not legality. I never said it referred to legality. The proposal I attempted

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Not a cronjob

2010-08-24 Thread omd
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 9:30 PM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: It's 22-20 and the voting period is over. Not yet confirmed (I need to evaluate several conditionals and add them to the DB), but even if you're right, it's AI=2 so it would fail. For what it's worth, I get 20-19: omd

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Not a cronjob

2010-08-25 Thread omd
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 3:58 AM, Alex Smith callforjudgem...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Possibly relevant here: CFJ 2775, which found that a nickname change wasn't effective unless Agoran players as a whole went along with it. The arguments are rather specific to nicknames in particular, though,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Fun with CFJ timing

2010-08-26 Thread omd
On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 7:38 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: I'm not sure how the received by agoranomic date can be before you sent it, unless someone has their clock wrong.  That agoranomic date is consistent with the time my server received it a few mins later and the time I

Re: DIS: ...and so is my wife

2010-08-26 Thread omd
On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 7:38 PM, Michael Norrish michael.norr...@nicta.com.au wrote: I think I remember something similar.  I certainly wrote a judgement that defeated such an attempt.  I used the Alice Through the Looking Glass argument that being called something, and having something as a

Re: DIS: ...and so is my wife

2010-08-26 Thread omd
On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 12:07 AM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: I should look this up, but note that we have in the past accepted dictatorship rules of the form [player name] CAN do whatever by announcement without any special explicitness, and currently have a (non-scam) rule that

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Not a cronjob

2010-08-26 Thread omd
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 9:27 PM, Warrigal ihope12...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 8:34 PM, Sean Hunt scsh...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca wrote: I change my nickname to 'The Robot'. -coppro I publish a Notice of Violation accusing coppro of violating rule 2170 (power 3) by changing eir

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Not a cronjob

2010-08-27 Thread omd
On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 4:41 AM, ais523 callforjudgem...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Five times, I spend two ergs to destroy one of coppro's ergs. I spend two ergs to destroy one of coppro's rests. I spend two ergs to destroy one of coppro's rests. I spend two ergs to destroy one of coppro's rests.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Perpetuum mobile

2010-08-29 Thread omd
On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 10:25 PM, Sean Hunt scsh...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca wrote: How about Labor? No opinion.

DIS: Re: BUS: No messages all day creeps me out

2010-08-31 Thread omd
On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 11:10 PM, Geoffrey Spear geoffsp...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 10:05 PM,  com...@gmail.com wrote: For each active player, I intend, with support and with notice, to make em inactive. CoE: comex can not make players inactive with support and with notice.

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2851a assigned to Tanner L. Swett, G., omd

2010-09-04 Thread omd
On Sat, Sep 4, 2010 at 2:34 PM, omd c.ome...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Sep 4, 2010 at 11:29 AM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: Detail: http://zenith.homelinux.net/cotc/viewcase.php?cfj=2851a AFFIRM without prejudice I just remembered that I actually destroyed those 3 rests

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 6822 - 6829

2010-09-04 Thread omd
On Sat, Sep 4, 2010 at 11:47 AM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: 6826 P 0 3.1 coppro              Quadruple Oops AGAINST (unneeded, R1688 Threshold defaults to the securing Rule's Power) It was upmutated by a different proposal.

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Short Logical Ruleset

2010-09-04 Thread omd
On Sat, Sep 4, 2010 at 8:00 PM, Keba ag...@kebay.org wrote: comex wrote (in the section of the Prop rule):       At the beginning of each Agoran Week, two props are destroyed in       the possession of each player who did not transfer one of their       props to another player in the previous

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: White Renaissance

2010-09-07 Thread omd
On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 4:03 PM, Keba ag...@kebay.org wrote: Proposal White Renaissance (AI=1, II=1, distributable via fee) {{{ Amend Rule 2199 Ribbons by removing:        (except for White Ribbons, which can be awarded at any time        within a month after they are earned) [So, no one

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: White Renaissance

2010-09-07 Thread omd
On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 4:42 PM, Keba ag...@kebay.org wrote: Why were White Ribbons removed in the first place? See CfJ 2836. White Ribbons only exist because of that phrase, if this phrase is deleted, all white ribbons are deleted as well. Yeah, why did their regular definition get removed?

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: White Renaissance

2010-09-07 Thread omd
On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 11:54 PM, Warrigal ihope12...@gmail.com wrote: The asset defined is not white ribbon; it is ribbon. Every ribbon then has a color. A white ribbon is a ribbon whose color is white; even though the rules stop using the term white ribbon, white does not cease to be a color.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: White Renaissance

2010-09-08 Thread omd
On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 9:26 PM, Warrigal ihope12...@gmail.com wrote: Note that class isn't actually defined by the rules. It could just as easily be type, or even set. If the rules state that something is a class of asset, that doesn't really tell us anything we didn't already know. Here's a

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: White Renaissance

2010-09-08 Thread omd
On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 10:44 PM, omd c.ome...@gmail.com wrote: Here's a question.      An asset is an entity defined as such by a rule or contest      (hereafter its backing document), and existing solely because      its backing document defines its existence. If oblique references from

Re: DIS: Ugh!

2010-09-11 Thread omd
On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 2:18 AM, ais523 callforjudgem...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: If we continue wording proposals like we normally do, each of them will take effect continuously. Oops, I had text to address there but must have accidentally removed it.

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 6842-6846

2010-09-13 Thread omd
On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 1:02 PM, Warrigal ihope12...@gmail.com wrote: I contest this. Isn't it possible to question an obvious truth? Don't philosophers do it all the time? There's great precedent for the law punishing philosophers. ;)

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: court merry go round

2010-09-13 Thread omd
On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 2:38 PM, Geoffrey Spear geoffsp...@gmail.com wrote: I support.  In any event, the judge did not consider every possible reason Tiger could be a pope (including the gratuitous arguments regarding Discordian Popeiness), so a judgment of UNDETERMINED should be considered.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2853 assigned to Taral

2010-09-13 Thread omd
On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 8:33 PM, Sean Hunt scsh...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca wrote: On 09/13/2010 07:15 PM, Taral wrote: On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 1:23 AM, Ed Murphyemurph...@socal.rr.com  wrote: ==  Criminal Case 2853 (Interest Index = 0)  ===    ais523 committed the

DIS: Re: BUS: Democracy

2010-09-13 Thread omd
On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 10:11 PM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: Having also received support from Wooble, I make each of these proposals (well, the decisions on whether to adopt them, which should have been reasonably clear) democratic. (There is precedent that this is clear.)

DIS: Re: BUS: Assumption bug

2010-09-15 Thread omd
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 6:36 PM, Keba ag...@kebay.org wrote: So we should either add some rewards or make ergs more useful. Perhaps the main problem is we don't have a real goal to aim for. Any ideas for adding some sub-game again? How about making Fans only increase based on unused ergs?

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Assumption bug

2010-09-16 Thread omd
On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 4:21 PM, ais523 callforjudgem...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Part of my motivation for introducing Teams was to try to make ergs more useful, but nobody seems to care about them. Perhaps we should just repeal them again? That should be the fate for all mechanics that don't

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Herald NoV

2010-09-17 Thread omd
On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 3:16 PM, Sean Hunt scsh...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca wrote: On 09/17/2010 01:05 PM, com...@gmail.com wrote: Gratuitous: The interpretation suggested by the caller is absurd. Would you prefer the interpretation that the list published in the message was rearranged to match

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2860 assigned to Taral

2010-09-19 Thread omd
On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 6:48 PM, Taral tar...@gmail.com wrote: 9. omd is the Pariah, and Rule 2312 applies to all players, including judges. No I'm not.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2860 assigned to Taral

2010-09-19 Thread omd
On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 8:57 PM, Taral tar...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 5:35 PM, omd c.ome...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 6:48 PM, Taral tar...@gmail.com wrote: 9. omd is the Pariah, and Rule 2312 applies to all players, including judges. No I'm not. Oh? I

Re: DIS: Proto: Clean up eligibility and limits

2010-09-21 Thread omd
On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 12:41 PM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: and appending this paragraph:      Casting ballots without explicitly specifying the number of      ballots to be cast (e.g. FOR instead of FOR*1 or FOR*3)      is equivalent to conditionally casting a number of such

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: No Voting Limit Timing Scams

2010-09-22 Thread omd
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 3:49 PM, Jonatan Kilhamn jonatan.kilh...@gmail.com wrote: Woulsn't it remove the Assessor's ability to influence timing scams, by making eir choice of when to resolve the decision meaningless for this prupose? Better that the Assessor can pull timing scams than everyone

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2867 assigned to Wooble

2010-09-22 Thread omd
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 5:19 PM, ais523 callforjudgem...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Further gratuitous arguments: This is a case of if X, then ... where X is impossible being trivially true. It's different from if the rules were somehow modified such that X could come about, then most likely ...,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: No Voting Limit Timing Scams

2010-09-22 Thread omd
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 5:52 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: Locking it at the end of the voting period as now is similar to locking it at the beginning of the week, except that if someone pulls a last-minute spend, there's no time for others to respond (by for example trying to

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 6842-6846

2010-09-23 Thread omd
On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 4:04 PM, Taral tar...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 5:38 PM, Warrigal ihope12...@gmail.com wrote:       AI   II Proposer Date        Num   Title       2.0  1  omd      2010-09-07  6842  Capa AGAINST Too late.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Last-minute proposals

2010-09-24 Thread omd
On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 4:05 PM, ais523 callforjudgem...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: As far as I can tell, rule 754 allows the Rulekeepor to do this unilaterally anyway, or even to revert the change immediately after it's made. Not now that except for the purpose of reporting on or quoting the text of

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Last-minute proposals

2010-09-24 Thread omd
On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 4:22 PM, omd c.ome...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 4:05 PM, ais523 callforjudgem...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: As far as I can tell, rule 754 allows the Rulekeepor to do this unilaterally anyway, or even to revert the change immediately after it's made. Not now

DIS: Re: OFF: [Deputy Sysadmin] Our new website! [attn Taral]

2010-09-26 Thread omd
On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 6:35 PM, ais523 callforjudgem...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: On Wed, 2010-09-22 at 22:43 +0100, ais523 wrote: On Sun, 2010-09-12 at 20:03 +0100, Alex Smith wrote: I deputise for the Sysadmin to initiate an Agoran Decision as to which Website Submission to select. The options

DIS: Re: BUS: Caesaris Dbftbsjt

2010-10-02 Thread omd
On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 12:14 PM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: The de-shifted message is  Denuntio consilium meum ut in tabulas ludi referam. I give notice of my plan that I should bring back into the records of the game.

DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2878 assigned to omd

2010-10-07 Thread omd
On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 11:57 AM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: Detail: http://zenith.homelinux.net/cotc/viewcase.php?cfj=2878 ===  CFJ 2878 (Interest Index = 0)      Due to Rule 2215, it would be illegal for me to make an    unqualified public

DIS: Re: BUS: Space alert, yet again

2010-10-07 Thread omd
On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 5:10 PM, Jonatan Kilhamn jonatan.kilh...@gmail.com wrote: I intend, with 3 support, to cause Space Alert to cease to be a contest. Or has someone succeeded with this yet? Because last time I didn't even get the support. If that's to be taken as people actually wanting to

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: CfJ regarding my ability to register

2010-10-08 Thread omd
On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 10:36 AM, Geoffrey Spear geoffsp...@gmail.com wrote: Trivially true.  You CAN register by publishing any message indicating that you intend to register; an explicit announcement that you do so is a published message that indicates just that. I hereby register.* I do not

DIS: Re: BUS: Resetting and empowering myself

2010-10-08 Thread omd
On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 2:44 PM, Warrigal ihope12...@gmail.com wrote: I resign from all offices and become supine. I describe my becoming supine just now as earning me 2*3^35,000 farads; for this action, I award myself 3^35,000 ergs. I pay fees to destroy all my rests, then pay fees to destroy

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Resetting and empowering myself

2010-10-08 Thread omd
On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 5:54 PM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: Actually, they all fail, by the precedent of CFJ 1774. Counterargument:  the disparity of effort between Tanner announcing I perform asset-related action $BIGNUM times and the relevant officer recording that e did so is

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Resetting and empowering myself

2010-10-08 Thread omd
On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 11:49 PM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: Alternatively, they could have been given chaotic numbers like 1401 through 1401, so that the orderly numbers would still roughly reflect the number of distinct statements. That's roughly what you tried, isn't it?

DIS: Re: BUS: Hmm...

2010-10-11 Thread omd
On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 4:31 PM, ais523 callforjudgem...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: I pay a fee to move on the list to Grand Vizier (thus moving coppro out of that position). With Notice, I win the game. Gratuitous: In this case, winning the game is not an action, but the result of an action (making

DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ remake

2010-10-14 Thread omd
On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 11:26 PM, scshunt scsh...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca wrote: I CFJ {Declaring one's intent to perform a dependent action is, in itself, an action.} Arguments: I don't really see anything that directly supports this interpretation, but I do not see anything that directly

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2890 assigned to coppro

2010-10-18 Thread omd
On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 6:22 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: Side note:  When I proposed this, I thought for a while about sneaking an only between CAN and perform for the final draft and hoping no-one noticed it would shut off all other ways of doing things associated with a

DIS: Re: BUS: (no subject)

2010-10-20 Thread omd
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 10:52 PM, Zac Sipes zac0...@gmail.com wrote: zac0...@gmail.com Do you want to register as a player? If so, you should say so-- sorry, I think this is a bit too unclear.

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 1631a assigned to ais523, Yally, Wooble

2010-10-24 Thread omd
On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 3:18 AM, ais523 callforjudgem...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: The caller has provided no argument why the verdict in question is necessarily incorrect, so AFFIRM seems appropriate here. Thinking about it, I'm going to violate a SHOULD and opine AFFIRM WITH PREJUDICE, and hope

DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2892 assigned to ais523

2010-10-24 Thread omd
On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 3:08 AM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: Detail: http://zenith.homelinux.net/cotc/viewcase.php?cfj=2892 ===  CFJ 2892 (Interest Index = 2)      Due to Rule 2215, it is illegal for any current player who has    read Rule 2215

DIS: Re: BUS: Judgement, CFJ 2892

2010-10-25 Thread omd
On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 4:42 PM, Alex Smith ais...@bham.ac.uk wrote: Believing the statement in question is obviously completely unreasonable [...] therefore the statement is true. what

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Fearmongor] changes of the week

2010-10-31 Thread omd
On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 12:09 AM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: AI=Mutable Hmm...

DIS: Re: BUS: Loophole found

2010-11-05 Thread omd
On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 2:45 PM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: I announce my intent I announce my object I announce my subject

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: rebellion

2010-11-05 Thread omd
On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 7:00 PM, Elliott Hird penguinoftheg...@googlemail.com wrote: On 5 November 2010 22:50, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: did someone attach a simplfied Bayes to ehird's mail? as if bayes could quote properly it actually could, remember?

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Fearmongor] changes of the week

2010-11-07 Thread omd
On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 1:34 PM, ais523 callforjudgem...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Surely the common-sense interpretation is that e reserves the right to change the AI later, e.g. via veto? I wouldn't say so; A=Y is only equivalent to A is Y in very awkward speech, and game custom suggests e was

DIS: Re: BUS: As per ais523's interpretation

2010-11-07 Thread omd
On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 2:39 PM, John Smith spamba...@yahoo.com wrote: This is a Win Announcement.  CfJ 2878 has continuously been a tortoise for no greater than four and no less than two weeks. I claim that this is not a win announcement, because CFJ 2878 is not on the legality of an action:

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald] Rebellion resolution

2010-11-09 Thread omd
On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 11:39 AM, Elliott Hird penguinoftheg...@googlemail.com wrote: On 9 November 2010 03:56, Geoffrey Spear geoffsp...@gmail.com wrote: You acknowledged yourself that you didn't quote the message, and message headers are generally ineffective, so I assumed it was

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Registering

2010-11-09 Thread omd
On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 11:05 PM, Sean Hunt scsh...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca wrote: On 10-11-09 11:02 PM, omd wrote: On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 10:38 PM, Flameshadowxeroshin flameshadowxeros...@gmail.com  wrote: I, a first-class citizen named Flameshadowxeroshin, indicate my intent to become a player

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Registering

2010-11-09 Thread omd
On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 11:29 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: Nope. Citizen is not a synonym for registered player.  Citizenship is an entity switch with values Unregistered (default)... I had forgotten about that, but that seems to demonstrate that it /is/ a synonym for player,

DIS: Re: BUS: Ienpew III

2010-11-10 Thread omd
On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 7:38 PM, Aaron Goldfein aarongoldf...@gmail.com wrote: I intend, without objection, to make Ienpew III inactive. I object.

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2895 assigned to Wooble

2010-11-11 Thread omd
On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 2:01 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: I appeal this verdict as it sets a bad precedent: in cases where an Officer has contradictory duties, it is reasonable for em to choose the lesser rules breakage, and not reasonable, in terms of the game, for em to be

DIS: Re: BUS: Ahem:

2010-11-11 Thread omd
On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 4:42 PM, omd c.ome...@gmail.com wrote: I am initiating an auction for one lot of one Ultraviolet Ribbon.  The currency is Leadership Tokens.  The Starting Bid is one Token, which is presumably also that currency's Minimum Unit Quantity. This probably fails, because

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 6877-6894

2010-11-11 Thread omd
On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 8:45 PM, John Smith spamba...@yahoo.com wrote: CfJ(inquiry, barred:the author of the message quoted above):Hillary Rodham Clinton has a prop. Argument:The prop transfer rule (2287) requires that the player performing the transfer explain why e chose the *player* to

DIS: Re: BUS: Retracting my proposal

2010-11-11 Thread omd
On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 11:53 PM, Flameshadowxeroshin flameshadowxeros...@gmail.com wrote: I retract my proposal, #6893. Sorry, but you can't: it's not in the Proposal Pool anymore.

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Herald] Rebellion resolution

2010-11-13 Thread omd
On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 5:59 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: On Mon, 8 Nov 2010, Kerim Aydin wrote: On Mon, 8 Nov 2010, Geoffrey Spear wrote: Murphy gets a Leadership Token; omd gets 2 Rests, and G. coppro, ais523, coppro, and Wooble each get 1 Rest. Will destroy a rest

DIS: proto: Marks

2010-11-15 Thread omd
proto: Marks (yay nostalgia) Create a new Rule (Power=2) entitled Marks: Marks are a currency restricted to players. After a person registers, e gains 6 Marks. Marks in the possession of a player CANNOT be destroyed. The Banker is an office; its holder is responsible

Re: DIS: proto: Marks

2010-11-15 Thread omd
On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 8:50 PM, omd c.ome...@gmail.com wrote:      If the owner of a Mark CAN transfer it to another player, or to the      Lost and Found Department, by informing the Banker e does so. s/If //

Re: DIS: proto: Marks

2010-11-15 Thread omd
On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 8:50 PM, omd c.ome...@gmail.com wrote: proto: Marks (yay nostalgia) I just noticed that this entire proto is completely broken. I really should not write proposals when I have a cold...

Re: DIS: proto: Marks

2010-11-15 Thread omd
On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 9:44 PM, omd c.ome...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 8:50 PM, omd c.ome...@gmail.com wrote: proto: Marks (yay nostalgia) I just noticed that this entire proto is completely broken.  I really should not write proposals when I have a cold... Specifically

Re: DIS: proto: Marks

2010-11-15 Thread omd
On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 12:23 AM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: I think you should just scrap ergs entirely and turn marks into an accumulatable currency that you earn X a month, were X is ~100 for granularity, and actions cost 20-50 marks (or marks can be used to bid on action

DIS: Re: BUS: Registration

2010-11-16 Thread omd
On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 8:12 PM, John Smith spamba...@yahoo.com wrote: Gratuitous:  Assuming that ais523 can legitimately act on behalf of pikhg to attempt to register, the attempt should fail because it does not clearly indicate that it is pikhg's intent to become a player. Nice. Is the

DIS: Re: BUS: oh well

2010-11-20 Thread omd
On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 4:33 PM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: omd wrote: On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 12:28 PM, omd c.ome...@gmail.com wrote: I pay a fee to destroy one of scshunt's Rests. CFJ: This week, I paid a fee to destroy one of scshunt's rests. Arguments: Although this message

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] Census

2010-11-20 Thread omd
On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 4:36 PM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: Gratuitous:  Failure to consider a non-obvious potential interpretation of a rule before someone else points it out does not constitute failure to know that rule, and thus does constitute a reasonable defense. But it

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2897 judged (TRUE? FALSE?) by ais523; Murphy, scshunt, Yally move to reconsider

2010-11-21 Thread omd
On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 11:00 PM, Sean Hunt scsh...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca wrote: When it is convenient for H. CotC Murphy, could e please update eir DB to allow for proper description of motions to reconsider? I don't know, why don't you ask him?

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: I judge this TRUE

2010-11-22 Thread omd
On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 4:55 AM, ais523 callforjudgem...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Oh, this judgement definitely failed, by the way-- it's almost exactly parallel to CFJ 1631. Not really; CFJ 1361 had a blank body so there was not obviously an action taking place, my message clearly was indicating a

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Getting in on the ground floor

2010-11-22 Thread omd
On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 1:40 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: On Mon, 22 Nov 2010, omd wrote: ... It's unfortunate, but I don't think this rule actually does anything, other than make some confusing definitions, and potentially make a contest and/or the Ruleset dissolve if either

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: I judge this TRUE

2010-11-22 Thread omd
On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 1:45 PM, ais523 callforjudgem...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Any message sent to the business forum pretty strongly indicates an action (evidence: the pseudo-tradition of objecting to empty messages), but I wouldn't say a message with a quote does so more than an entirely blank

DIS: Re: BUS: A messy business

2010-11-22 Thread omd
On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 3:37 PM, Alex Smith ais...@bham.ac.uk wrote: Rule 2230 makes it illegal to knowingly issue an NoV with incorrect information. (This is not quite the same thing as issuing an NoV with knowingly incorrect information; you can know you've issued the NoV even without

DIS: Re: BUS: A messy business

2010-11-22 Thread omd
On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 3:37 PM, Alex Smith ais...@bham.ac.uk wrote: Clearly, in the hypothetical inside the CFJ, the statement ais523 violated/is currently violating the power-2 rule 2230, committing the Class-4 Crime of Libel, by publishing this NoV. is messy, thus incorrect. First of all,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: A messy business

2010-11-22 Thread omd
On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 5:06 PM, Sean Hunt scsh...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca wrote: I object to both and favor this CFJ. Why do you object? I am not trying to raise the II for personal gain. Because I honestly don't think it's a very complicated case. But if there's a reason that I'm missing why it

DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposals 6877 - 6894

2010-11-22 Thread omd
On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 5:46 PM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: Proposal 6884 (Ordinary, AI=1.0, Interest=1) by omd This is basically common sense anyway Repeal Rule 2161 (ID Numbers). Amendment fails, that rule was already repealed.

DIS: Re: BUS: Crown CFJ

2010-11-22 Thread omd
On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 12:07 AM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: When a player becomes speaker due to rebellion [R2270(b)(ii)], it is considered a Crowning. Arguments: R2270(b)(ii) doesn't match the R402 definition of a Coronation, but it could be said it matches most of the

DIS: Re: OFF: [Speaker] it's not the total, it's the relative difference

2010-11-22 Thread omd
On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 11:48 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: I Bestow Favors as follows: Taral                K.S Supervisor Tiger                Chief Justice Ienpw III            Grand Vizier Keba                 Head Gardener Oh, that's boring. :( - omd, totally not just

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [IADoP] Organization Chart

2010-11-23 Thread omd
On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 8:34 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: On Tue, 23 Nov 2010, Geoffrey Spear wrote: Speaker        Murphy*    31 Oct 10   (imposed)   1  N/A * = Disputed; if the most recent Rebellion succeeded, omd became     Speaker on 8 Nov 2010 CoE:   Yally's crowning

DIS: Re: BUS: It's time to stop all of this gardening.

2010-11-23 Thread omd
On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 9:53 PM, Sean Hunt scsh...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca wrote: Proposal: Carrot Juice (AI=3, II=1, Distributable via fee) {{{ Amend Rule 478 (Fora) by replacing      A public message is a message sent via a public forum, or sent      to all players and containing a clear

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Arguments for CFJ 2895

2010-11-24 Thread omd
On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 10:53 PM, Sean Hunt scsh...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca wrote: I don't see how this custom can be described as weak-- you are just about to cite four different CFJs where it was decided (and gameplay proceeded assuming) that subject lines aren't effective.  Such repeated tests

DIS: Re: BUS: Nostalgia

2010-11-28 Thread omd
On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 12:31 AM, Warrigal ihope12...@gmail.com wrote: I submit a proposal, titled Spelling reform begins with Agora, with AI = 1.0 and II = 1, and make it distributable by fee: {In all rules, replace all instances of the string judge (and the string judg where it is not

DIS: Re: BUS: ninja'd

2010-11-29 Thread omd
On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 2:25 PM, Geoffrey Spear geoffsp...@gmail.com wrote: I assume the office of IADoP. I assume the office of Herald. I assume the office of Registrar. I sit up.  I flip my judicial rank to 3. I call for judgement on Wooble is the judge of CFJ 2908., and set the II of

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: ninja'd

2010-11-29 Thread omd
On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 3:16 PM, Geoffrey Spear geoffsp...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 3:10 PM, omd c.ome...@gmail.com wrote: Gratuitous: The report includes Wooble possibly deregisters in the Recent events section, although I don't think this affects anything. Indeed, only

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: ninja'd

2010-11-29 Thread omd
On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 4:04 PM, Aaron Goldfein aarongoldf...@gmail.com wrote: Oh, and the report also lists you as a Senator, which is a statement that is impossible to make correct by any modification of the gamestate; this may make it impossible to ratify the document. Senator-ness doesn't

DIS: Re: BUS: Heavy lies the Head of State

2010-11-29 Thread omd
On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 7:29 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: I make myself Inactive. I crown omd (highest-ranked active player). I make myself Active. Thanks... although there's a good chance this fails, because none of the attempted players I attempted to make popes were ready

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Fear cleanup

2010-11-29 Thread omd
On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 11:57 PM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote:         1) Select a rule at random, and submit a proposal whose effect            is limited to repealing that rule (and, if necessary, This removes eir choice of which of the two selected rules to repeal, and which to

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