Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [DoV?] Apathy resolution

2022-03-06 Thread Ørjan Johansen via agora-discussion
On Sun, 6 Mar 2022, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: On 3/6/2022 5:31 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: On 3/6/22 20:28, secretsnail9 via agora-discussion wrote: [snip] There's nothing in the text to suggest that an ephemeral or editable message can't be a message. And iirc

DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] TIME Act

2022-03-02 Thread Ørjan Johansen via agora-discussion
On Wed, 2 Mar 2022, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote: On 3/2/22 15:45, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote: If the minimal modification would include past or present rule changes, they are instead excluded unless the ratified document explicitly and unambiguously recites either the changes

Re: DIS: [proto] TIME Act

2022-03-01 Thread Ørjan Johansen via agora-discussion
On Tue, 1 Mar 2022, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: On 3/1/22 00:41, Ørjan Johansen via agora-discussion wrote: I would strongly suggest that this only restrict rule changes in the minimal modification, and not any later changes following logically from it. Otherwise

Re: DIS: [proto] TIME Act

2022-02-28 Thread Ørjan Johansen via agora-discussion
On Mon, 28 Feb 2022, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: On 2/28/22 22:11, Ørjan Johansen via agora-discussion wrote: I am not sure that the above definition corresponds _either_ to what a retroactive change intuitively is or to what ratification platonically does. It might correspond

Re: DIS: [proto] TIME Act

2022-02-28 Thread Ørjan Johansen via agora-discussion
On Mon, 28 Feb 2022, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: I present the following draft to clean up the ratification rule. The only intended semantic change is securing all retroactive modification, everything else is just mean to make the existing text much more clear. Title: Temporal

DIS: Re: BUS: Mad Engineer weekly random rule selection

2022-02-28 Thread Ørjan Johansen via agora-discussion
On Mon, 28 Feb 2022, ais523 via agora-business wrote: For reference: {{{ Each of the following Ministries has a Grant, listed below. Ministry of Compliance: 1 Justice Card Ministry of Legislation: 1 Legislative Card Ministry of Participation: 1 Voting Card Ministry of

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Scoring Integer Points

2022-02-28 Thread Ørjan Johansen via agora-discussion
On Mon, 28 Feb 2022, Sarah S. via agora-discussion wrote: On Mon, Feb 28, 2022 at 9:45 PM Aspen via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: On Mon, Feb 28, 2022 at 1:41 AM Sarah S. via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: On Mon, Feb 28, 2022 at 6:47

DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] Auction Ratification

2022-01-24 Thread Ørjan Johansen via agora-discussion
On Mon, 24 Jan 2022, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote: I create the following proposal, then pay a fee of one pendant to cause it to become pending. Title: Auction Self-Ratification Adoption index: 3.0 Author: Jason Coauthors: Set the power of Rule 2545 to 3. Amend Rule 2545 by appending

DIS: Re: BUS: [DoV] Dawn of a New Day

2022-01-03 Thread Ørjan Johansen via agora-discussion
On Sun, 2 Jan 2022, Aspen via agora-business wrote: Last year, there were a few days that held great personal significance for me. As of the 13th of September, I had been a player for five years. Just over a month later, on the 21st of October, I had been your Promotor for five years as well.

DIS: Re: OFF: [Mad Engineer] Intent to Invent

2022-01-01 Thread Ørjan Johansen via agora-discussion
On Sun, 2 Jan 2022, ais523 via agora-official wrote: The Device is on. I intend, with Agoran Consent, to cause rule 2655 to amend the rule "The Device" by appending the following as a list item to the "When the device is off:" list: {{{ The Rulekeepor SHOULD also include any other

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Mad Engineer weekly random rule selection

2021-12-28 Thread Ørjan Johansen via agora-discussion
On Tue, 28 Dec 2021, ais523 via agora-discussion wrote: On Tue, 2021-12-28 at 11:21 +0100, nethack4.org dicebot via agora- business wrote: The dice roll was: 27 This is R1681, The Logical Rulesets. Any suggestions? Rules are assigned to, ordered within, or moved between

DIS: Re: OFF: [Stonemason] December Collection Notice

2021-12-04 Thread Ørjan Johansen via agora-discussion
On Fri, 3 Dec 2021, Jason Cobb via agora-official wrote: All choices are made using AgoraBot in a public channel on the unofficial Discord. I affirm under penalty of No Faking that, to the best of my knowledge, the choices listed below had the probabilities listed below. That's all very

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Mad Engineer weekly random rule selection

2021-11-29 Thread Ørjan Johansen via agora-discussion
El 29/11/2021 a las 07:19, ais523 via agora-discussion escribió: Each Agoran decision has a set of valid options (the choices that the voters are being asked to select from) and valid votes (the ways in which the voters can express their opinion or lack

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Mad Engineer weekly random rule selection

2021-11-21 Thread Ørjan Johansen via agora-discussion
On Mon, 22 Nov 2021, ais523 via agora-discussion wrote: On Mon, 2021-11-22 at 04:23 +0100, nethack4.org dicebot via agora- business wrote: The dice roll was: 90 This is R2518, Determinacy. For reference: {{{ If a value CANNOT be reasonably determined (without circularity or

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Stonemason] November Stone Auction Distribution Attempt 2

2021-11-16 Thread Ørjan Johansen via agora-discussion
On Tue, 16 Nov 2021, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: On 11/16/2021 6:38 AM, Jason Cobb via agora-official wrote: I perform the following actions if and only if they all succeed: { I destroy 150 of Jason's coins. I cause the Hot Potato Stone to be transferred to Jason. I wield the

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Stonemason] November Stone Auction Distribution

2021-11-15 Thread Ørjan Johansen via agora-discussion
On Mon, 15 Nov 2021, ais523 via agora-business wrote: On Mon, 2021-11-15 at 15:38 -0500, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote: On 11/15/21 15:36, Jason Cobb via agora-official wrote: I perform the following actions if and only if they all succeed: { I destroy 150 of Jason's coins. I cause

DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald] The Scroll of Agora, Nov 2021

2021-11-13 Thread Ørjan Johansen via agora-discussion
On Sat, 13 Nov 2021, nix via agora-official wrote: ===   THE SCROLL OF AGORA     === [snip]   ---   NEWS  

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Mad Engineer weekly random rule selection

2021-11-08 Thread Ørjan Johansen via agora-discussion
On Tue, 9 Nov 2021, Sarah S. via agora-discussion wrote: "Device is secured with Power Threshold 3." Conflicts with Rule 1688, which only allows Thresholds lower than the Power of the securing Rule. Greetings, Ørjan.

DIS: Re: OFF: [Stonemason] Billboard Rock Chart - 3 Nov 2021

2021-11-03 Thread Ørjan Johansen via agora-discussion
On Wed, 3 Nov 2021, Jason Cobb via agora-official wrote: THE BILLBOARD ROCK CHART (STONEMASON'S WEEKLY REPORT) Summary of stone functions: This summary seems to miss the new stones. Greetings, Ørjan.

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] Weekly Report

2021-10-23 Thread Ørjan Johansen via agora-discussion
On Fri, 22 Oct 2021, Shy Owl via agora-discussion wrote: Fora The publicity switch values (Rule 478) are self-ratifying. PublicityLocation or description Typical use ---- --- Public agora-official at

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Follow-up to P8621 "Proposal spreading"

2021-10-21 Thread Ørjan Johansen via agora-discussion
On Thu, 21 Oct 2021, ais523 via agora-business wrote: On Thu, 2021-10-21 at 17:54 +, Falsifian via agora-business wrote: The new last sentence of R1607 seems to require the Promotor to distribute proposals even if they've been withdrawn: E SHALL then distribute those undistributed

DIS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] Weekly Report

2021-10-15 Thread Ørjan Johansen via agora-discussion
On Fri, 15 Oct 2021, Shy Owl via agora-official wrote: Below is the registrar's weekly report. Fora The publicity switch values (Rule 478) are self-ratifying. PublicityLocation or description Typical use ----

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: White Glitter (thanks nix)

2021-10-10 Thread Ørjan Johansen via agora-discussion
On Mon, 11 Oct 2021, Falsifian via agora-discussion wrote: I'm really confused... Questions (for Ørjan, I guess?) inline. I'm quoting Ørjan out of order since my questions make a bit more sense in that order. The last and only time I came to qualify for a White Ribbon when I became a player:

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Mad Engineer weekly random rule selection

2021-10-10 Thread Ørjan Johansen via agora-discussion
On Mon, 11 Oct 2021, Ørjan Johansen via agora-discussion wrote: On Mon, 11 Oct 2021, ais523 via agora-discussion wrote: Taking suggestions, as usual; it'll probably take many eyes to find the best sentence or group of sentences from here to add to the Device. (One thing worth noting: Ribbon

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Mad Engineer weekly random rule selection

2021-10-10 Thread Ørjan Johansen via agora-discussion
On Mon, 11 Oct 2021, ais523 via agora-discussion wrote: Taking suggestions, as usual; it'll probably take many eyes to find the best sentence or group of sentences from here to add to the Device. (One thing worth noting: Ribbon Ownership is secured, so a Power-1 Device definition won't be able

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: White Glitter (thanks nix)

2021-10-10 Thread Ørjan Johansen via agora-discussion
On Sun, 10 Oct 2021, Falsifian via agora-discussion wrote: On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 03:42:14PM -0700, Edward Murphy via agora-discussion wrote: Falsifian wrote: I award myself White Glitter. Note: I do not own a White Ribbon, but R2602 might not actually require me to own the ribbon:

Re: DIS: [proto] Laudability

2021-10-07 Thread Ørjan Johansen via agora-discussion
On Thu, 7 Oct 2021, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: Here's a proto to not erase player's festivity when they win by ribbons: Amend Rule 2438 by appending the following to the paragraph beginning "For each type of Ribbon": { Laudability is a person switch with non-negative integer

DIS: Re: OFF: I claim the stuff from the contract

2021-10-07 Thread Ørjan Johansen via agora-discussion
On Thu, 7 Oct 2021, BenjaminFrancis Rodriguez via agora-official wrote: I join this contract. I transfer 2 boatloads of coins from the contract to myself. I transfer 1 victory point from the contract to myself. transfer 1 Pendant from the contract to myself. I think the Pendant transfer

DIS: Re: BUS: Unsuspicious Apathy Intent

2021-10-05 Thread Ørjan Johansen via agora-discussion
On Tue, 5 Oct 2021, Cuddle Beam via agora-business wrote: I object Hm. If I am right about how the scam works, and Jason understands it the same way, then the actions of you two suggest to me that you are colluding. Greetings, Ørjan. On Tue, Oct 5, 2021 at 3:44 AM Jason Cobb via

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Unsuspicious Apathy Intent

2021-10-04 Thread Ørjan Johansen via agora-discussion
On Tue, 5 Oct 2021, Sarah S. via agora-discussion wrote: On Tue, Oct 5, 2021 at 11:58 AM Ørjan Johansen via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: On Mon, 4 Oct 2021, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote: I intend, without objection, to declare Apathy. Ouch.

DIS: Re: BUS: Unsuspicious Apathy Intent

2021-10-04 Thread Ørjan Johansen via agora-discussion
On Mon, 4 Oct 2021, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote: I intend, without objection, to declare Apathy. Ouch. I pity the judge that gets to sort this out. Greetings, Ørjan.

DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8607-8629

2021-10-03 Thread Ørjan Johansen via agora-discussion
On Sun, 3 Oct 2021, Aspen via agora-official wrote: // ID: 8625 Title: giving the gift of an amendment Adoption index: 1.0 Author: Trigon Co-author(s): [ COMMENT: Introduces a new term of art so that we don't have to worry

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [cfj] on continuity of planning

2021-09-29 Thread Ørjan Johansen via agora-discussion
On Thu, 30 Sep 2021, Ørjan Johansen via agora-discussion wrote: On Thu, 30 Sep 2021, Sarah S. via agora-business wrote: On Thu, Sep 30, 2021 at 9:14 AM Kerim Aydin via agora-business < agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: CFJ: If R. Lee registers in October and doesn't publish

DIS: Re: BUS: [cfj] on continuity of planning

2021-09-29 Thread Ørjan Johansen via agora-discussion
On Thu, 30 Sep 2021, Sarah S. via agora-business wrote: On Thu, Sep 30, 2021 at 9:14 AM Kerim Aydin via agora-business < agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: CFJ: If R. Lee registers in October and doesn't publish a plan to flip eir focus, eir focus would be flipped to Legislation on Nov

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Notary] The Notes (contracts)

2021-09-23 Thread Ørjan Johansen via agora-discussion
On Thu, 23 Sep 2021, Sarah S. via agora-discussion wrote: I intend to shred without 2 objections each contract which I am a member of It seems to me y'all should object to this on principle, as it has obvious scam potential. Greetings, Ørjan.

DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] Tournament Conclusion Fixes

2021-09-16 Thread Ørjan Johansen via agora-discussion
On Wed, 15 Sep 2021, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote: I submit the following proposal, and pay a fee of one pendant to cause it to become pending. Title: Tournament Conclusion Fixes [snip] { Each time that one or more winners of a tournament are determined before it concludes, that

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Narrowing Margins, Forgiveness

2021-09-15 Thread Ørjan Johansen via agora-discussion
On Wed, 15 Sep 2021, nix via agora-business wrote: I submit and pay one pendant to pend the following proposal: [snip] Amend R2621, VP Wins, to read in full:   The Victory Threshold is 20-5x, where x is the number of months   since the last time someone Took Over The Economy. If it

Re: DIS: Proto: Fix asset self-ratification

2021-09-07 Thread Ørjan Johansen via agora-discussion
On Tue, 7 Sep 2021, Edward Murphy via agora-discussion wrote: Proto-Proposal: Fix asset self-ratification (AI = 3, co-authors = ais523, Telna) Amend Rule 2166 (Assets) by replacing this text: This portion of that entity's report is self-ratifying. with this text:

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Treasuror] Resolution of August 2021 VA 2

2021-08-31 Thread Ørjan Johansen via agora-discussion
On Wed, 1 Sep 2021, Trigon via agora-business wrote: All I was going to say is that I grant myself a victory point pursuant to my focus. Well then, why don't you? Whistles innocently, Ørjan.

DIS: Re: BUS: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 8596-8601

2021-08-30 Thread Ørjan Johansen via agora-discussion
On Mon, 30 Aug 2021, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote: [snip] // ID: 8599 Title: The Device (mark 2) Adoption index: 1.0 Author: G. Co-authors: Murphy [inspired by Rules 2192-2193, "The Monster", by Murphy] Enact a Rule

DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] win fix

2021-08-16 Thread Ørjan Johansen via agora-discussion
On Mon, 16 Aug 2021, Kerim Aydin via agora-business wrote: -- Amend Rule 2644 (The Gauntlet) to read in full: A player CAN, by announcement, Notice the Gauntlet, specifying a single player that owns 5 or more stones,

DIS: Re: BUS: Stone Ideas (proto-ish)

2021-08-13 Thread Ørjan Johansen via agora-discussion
On Fri, 13 Aug 2021, Sarah S. via agora-business wrote: Robin Hood Stone (weekly, 100%): Transfer this stone to a player with less coins than you, then the original wielder gains 8 boatloads of coins. SPECIAL RULE: This stone never escapes as long as at least three players have owned it in the

DIS: Re: OFF: [Deputy Registrar] Weekly Report

2021-08-09 Thread Ørjan Johansen via agora-discussion
On Mon, 9 Aug 2021, Ned Strange via agora-official wrote: Fora The publicity switch values (Rule 478) are self-ratifying. PublicityLocation or description Typical use ---- --- Public agora-official at

DIS: Re: OFF: [Tailor] Ribbon Bar

2021-08-01 Thread Ørjan Johansen via agora-discussion
On Sun, 1 Aug 2021, Edward Murphy via agora-official wrote: The Ribbon Bar (Tailor's Monthly Report) as of Monday 2021-07-26

DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer captures Now We Nomic

2021-07-25 Thread Ørjan Johansen via agora-discussion
On Sun, 25 Jul 2021, Cuddle Beam via agora-business wrote: For the purposes of Now We Nomic AND Agora, and for the purposes of creating a new Rule and Agoran Contract respectively, I create the following NWN Rule / Agoran Contract: ---+--- All other Now We Nomic rules besides this one are

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer creates a Big Opportunity

2021-07-25 Thread Ørjan Johansen via agora-discussion
On Sun, 25 Jul 2021, Rebecca Lee via agora-discussion wrote: On Sun, Jul 25, 2021 at 11:06 PM Cuddle Beam via agora-business < agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: I CFJ the following: "Be X the first Judge assigned to this CFJ, the entirety of the Ruleset means the following: This is the

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald] The Scroll of Agora

2021-06-17 Thread Ørjan Johansen via agora-discussion
On Thu, 17 Jun 2021, Rebecca Lee via agora-discussion wrote: [snip a _whole_ lot] === END OF REPORT === -- nix Webmastor, Ministor, Herald Important COE: Jason was awarded a doctorate of nomic science -- From R. Lee In fact, you awarded it to em. -- From R. Lee

Re: DIS: [draft] procedural ratification

2020-01-08 Thread Ørjan Johansen via agora-discussion
On Wed, 8 Jan 2020, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: By including "purposeful", it covers scams; e.g. with Jason Cobb's 18,000 coins - the scammer would have at least the 4 day objection period to enjoy eir earnings or convert it to a win[*] or whatever. [*]since winning and patent

Re: DIS: [Draft] Contract Patency v2

2020-01-08 Thread Ørjan Johansen via agora-discussion
On Wed, 8 Jan 2020, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: 1. e, acting as emself, has publicly stated, and not subsequently publicly withdrawn eir statement, that e agrees to the action; That last comma looks out of place. Looks right to me, based on my intuitive comma placement

DIS: Re: BAK: [RWO] List Patch

2019-12-31 Thread Ørjan Johansen via agora-discussion
On Wed, 1 Jan 2020, James Cook wrote: I object to both intents. Sorry to prolong this, but I'm not convinced this gets around Ørjan's objection. Here are two modifications to the gamestate that could be made at 00:15:01 on Dec 14 that would make the first document true: a) Insert two events

DIS: Re: OFF: [Rulekeepor] Full Logical Ruleset - December

2019-12-29 Thread Ørjan Johansen via agora-discussion
On Sun, 29 Dec 2019, Jason Cobb via agora-official wrote: THE FULL LOGICAL RULESET You forgot to strip trailing spaces, so these again have that format=flowed problem. Greetings, Ørjan.

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8277-8279

2019-12-28 Thread Ørjan Johansen via agora-discussion
On Sun, 29 Dec 2019, AIS523--- via agora-discussion wrote: Ørjan's issue is that e believes a single ratification can't make retroactive changes at two different points in past time. I suppose that's a simple way of putting it, except I'd use "simulate" instead of "make". Greetings, Ørjan.

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8277-8279

2019-12-28 Thread Ørjan Johansen via agora-discussion
On Sun, 29 Dec 2019, AIS523--- via agora-discussion wrote: On Sun, 2019-12-29 at 03:32 +0100, Ørjan Johansen via agora-discussion wrote: The simplest way I can see to fix this is to pair each dubious email with its own ratifying document, specifying the date stamp of the message as the time

DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8277-8279

2019-12-28 Thread Ørjan Johansen via agora-discussion
Rule 1551 states: the gamestate is modified to what it would be if, at the time the ratified document was published, the gamestate had been minimally modified to make the ratified document as true and accurate as possible;

DIS: Re: OFF: [Distributor] list status

2019-12-27 Thread Ørjan Johansen via agora-discussion
As I mentioned in my previous message, there's no reverse DNS on vps.qoid.us, which I could imagine some servers caring about. Greetings, Ørjan. On Fri, 27 Dec 2019, omd via agora-official wrote: On Sun, Dec 22, 2019 at 11:00 PM omd wrote: I think at this point there's nothing I can do but