Re: DIS: Request for Feedback: What's the Method Anyway?
> On Mar 12, 2024, at 5:49 PM, nix via agora-discussion > wrote: > > This is related to CFJ 4072, but you don't need to be familiar with all > of the arguments there. > > I just want everyone's reading on one (crucial) element. R105 requires > an "unambiguous and clear specification of the method to be used for > changing the rule". For rule changes in proposals, what would you say is > "the method", according to the rules? What would be a 1 sentence > "unambiguous and clear specification" of that method? > > -- > nix The method for changing the rules seems to be "by proposal", shorthand for "by the proposal process". A sentence to specify this... "This is a proposal, which, if adopted, will take effect." -- snail
Re: DIS: Request for Feedback: What's the Method Anyway?
On 3/13/24 16:16, Janet Cobb wrote: > On 3/12/24 18:48, nix via agora-discussion wrote: >> This is related to CFJ 4072, but you don't need to be familiar with all >> of the arguments there. >> >> I just want everyone's reading on one (crucial) element. R105 requires >> an "unambiguous and clear specification of the method to be used for >> changing the rule". For rule changes in proposals, what would you say is >> "the method", according to the rules? What would be a 1 sentence >> "unambiguous and clear specification" of that method? >> > "The proposal being adopted and taking effect." > Oops, that's just "the method". A specification: "The rule changes described in the proposals distributed in this message will be applied, if ever, by the proposal as it takes effect after being adopted." (This can probably be shortened, but I think it at least needs to mention the rule changes and their application.) -- Janet Cobb Assessor, Rulekeepor, Stonemason
Re: DIS: Request for Feedback: What's the Method Anyway?
On 3/12/24 18:48, nix via agora-discussion wrote: > This is related to CFJ 4072, but you don't need to be familiar with all > of the arguments there. > > I just want everyone's reading on one (crucial) element. R105 requires > an "unambiguous and clear specification of the method to be used for > changing the rule". For rule changes in proposals, what would you say is > "the method", according to the rules? What would be a 1 sentence > "unambiguous and clear specification" of that method? > "The proposal being adopted and taking effect." -- Janet Cobb Assessor, Rulekeepor, Stonemason
Re: DIS: Request for Feedback: What's the Method Anyway?
> On Mar 12, 2024, at 10:48 PM, nix via agora-discussion
> wrote:
>
> This is related to CFJ 4072, but you don't need to be familiar with all
> of the arguments there.
>
> I just want everyone's reading on one (crucial) element. R105 requires
> an "unambiguous and clear specification of the method to be used for
> changing the rule". For rule changes in proposals, what would you say is
> "the method", according to the rules? What would be a 1 sentence
> "unambiguous and clear specification" of that method?
>
> --
> nix
I raised this on Discord, but on list for posterity: I’m starting
to think it’s “by proposal”.
“By proposal”, as a method of doing something, is a term that Agorans
use fairly frequently. By way of a few examples: the Herald reports
wins by proposal, the Tailor’s quick reference says black ribbons
can be gained by proposal. Even more convincingly, 2575/3 reads, in
part: {
The holder [of Distributor] CANNOT be changed except without
objection or by proposal.
}
Which implies fairly strongly that “by proposal” is the same sort
of thing as “without objection”, namely a method.
And I think there’s a reasonable argument that, by labelling a
potential rule change as a “proposal”, the distribution message
has specified the rule change alongside the mechanism of “by
proposal”.
Gaelan
Re: DIS: Request for Feedback: What's the Method Anyway?
On Tue, Mar 12, 2024 at 3:49 PM nix via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > This is related to CFJ 4072, but you don't need to be familiar with all > of the arguments there. > > I just want everyone's reading on one (crucial) element. R105 requires > an "unambiguous and clear specification of the method to be used for > changing the rule". For rule changes in proposals, what would you say is > "the method", according to the rules? What would be a 1 sentence > "unambiguous and clear specification" of that method? > > -- > nix > > "When a proposal is adopted, it becomes an instrument and takes effect." "The method to implement the rule changes is rule 105." either of those I think. -- 4ˢᵗ Uncertified Bad Idea Generator
DIS: Request for Feedback: What's the Method Anyway?
This is related to CFJ 4072, but you don't need to be familiar with all of the arguments there. I just want everyone's reading on one (crucial) element. R105 requires an "unambiguous and clear specification of the method to be used for changing the rule". For rule changes in proposals, what would you say is "the method", according to the rules? What would be a 1 sentence "unambiguous and clear specification" of that method? -- nix
