Re: BUS: Re: DIS: [Prime Minister] Regarding Wins

2018-10-21 Thread Ørjan Johansen

On Sun, 21 Oct 2018, D. Margaux wrote:

I think that’s what must have happened, because in my email sent folder, 
it’s not quoted. Does it come out quoted in your inboxes (as 
distinguished from the website)? If not, interesting question which one 
is authoritative—the website or our inboxes.


I didn't keep that particular message in my inbox, but that's where I've 
usually seen the quoting for others.


Greetings,
Ørjan.


On Oct 21, 2018, at 11:49 AM, Ørjan Johansen  wrote:


On Sat, 20 Oct 2018, D. Margaux wrote:

Oh crud. That wasn’t supposed to be in quotes. Looks like I only unquoted the 
second line of the intent, not both lines. That’s very annoying.


I've often seen messages with a first new line after quoted content 
accidentally quoted like that.  I've assumed it's something going wrong when 
GMail HTML messages get converted to plain text.

Greetings,
Ørjan.


Re: BUS: Re: DIS: [Prime Minister] Regarding Wins

2018-10-21 Thread D. Margaux
I think that’s what must have happened, because in my email sent folder, it’s 
not quoted. Does it come out quoted in your inboxes (as distinguished from the 
website)? If not, interesting question which one is authoritative—the website 
or our inboxes. 



> On Oct 21, 2018, at 11:49 AM, Ørjan Johansen  wrote:
> 
>> On Sat, 20 Oct 2018, D. Margaux wrote:
>> 
>> Oh crud. That wasn’t supposed to be in quotes. Looks like I only unquoted 
>> the second line of the intent, not both lines. That’s very annoying.
> 
> I've often seen messages with a first new line after quoted content 
> accidentally quoted like that.  I've assumed it's something going wrong when 
> GMail HTML messages get converted to plain text.
> 
> Greetings,
> Ørjan.


Re: BUS: Re: DIS: [Prime Minister] Regarding Wins

2018-10-21 Thread Ørjan Johansen

On Sun, 21 Oct 2018, Timon Walshe-Grey wrote:

Ah, darn it. (This message best viewed in a fixed-width font.) I don't 
know whether this would have worked anyway but it would have been 
amusing.


That looked quoted, so I'm pretty sure would be excluded by the principles 
in G.s recent (although currently reconsidering) judgement.


For the record, I'm starting to get burned out on attempts to declare 
apathy. No more from me for a while.


It should become way harder to pull off once Proposal 8107 passes, anyway.

Greetings,
Ørjan.


Re: BUS: Re: DIS: [Prime Minister] Regarding Wins

2018-10-21 Thread Ørjan Johansen

On Sat, 20 Oct 2018, D. Margaux wrote:

Oh crud. That wasn’t supposed to be in quotes. Looks like I only 
unquoted the second line of the intent, not both lines. That’s very 
annoying.


I've often seen messages with a first new line after quoted content 
accidentally quoted like that.  I've assumed it's something going wrong 
when GMail HTML messages get converted to plain text.


Greetings,
Ørjan.


Re: BUS: Re: DIS: [Prime Minister] Regarding Wins

2018-10-21 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
twg wrote:
> The CFJ is something that I'd been toying with for a while as a potential scam
> idea. I hadn't tried using it properly because I'm actually pretty sure it
> doesn't work. ''I intend to Declare Apathy Without Objection, specifying
> myself." is found in a message and then someone else says something like "I
> object to all announcements of intent to Declare Apathy made by players other
> than myself within the past 14 days." - this is something that's happened a
> few times before with nobody complaining.

Aris wrote:
> By the way, I object to each announcement of intent to perform an action
> without N objections or with N Agoran consent, where N is a number.

Ah, darn it. (This message best viewed in a fixed-width font.) I don't know 
whether this would have worked anyway but it would have been amusing.

For the record, I'm starting to get burned out on attempts to declare apathy. 
No more from me for a while.

-twg


Re: BUS: Re: DIS: [Prime Minister] Regarding Wins

2018-10-20 Thread D. Margaux
Oh crud. That wasn’t supposed to be in quotes. Looks like I only unquoted the 
second line of the intent, not both lines. That’s very annoying.


> On Oct 20, 2018, at 9:27 PM, Kerim Aydin  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> [Forgive me, H. Prime Minister].
> 
> 
> Ok, that one *is* actually buried in quotes.
> 
> I CFJ, barring D. Margaux:
>   D. Margaux won by apathy in the message referred to in evidence.
> 
> 
> Evidence:
> 
> Message in question:
> https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/2018-October/039320.html
> 
> Original intent:
> https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/2018-October/039261.html
> 
> 
> Judge's arguments:
> 
> I don't think something that's within a reply, within parentheses,
> in quotations, meets the standard of clarity for an action intent.
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sat, 20 Oct 2018, D. Margaux wrote:
>> So, here’s a description of the most recent wins/attempted wins:
>> 
>> The most recent attempted win was this message, where I tried to win by 
>> apathy:  
>> https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/2018-October/039320.html
>>   I think that that buried intent maybe worked—the intent was clearly 
>> labeled a “new msg” with that specific date, rather than part of the history 
>> that it was embedded in.  I actually don’t think there’s an open CFJ about 
>> that.
>> 
>> The next wins before that are all the Round Robin wins. Those are the 
>> subject of open CFJs to determine who, if anyone, won on that day. 
>> 
>> Next before that was my October 3 attempt to win by apathy. That’s the 
>> subject of the CFJ that G. is currently reconsidering.
>> 
>> And then next before that was Left||Right, where the following players won: 
>> CuddleBeam, G., Aris, omd, twg, and D. Margaux.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 20, 2018, at 8:52 PM, Aris Merchant 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> As soon as the information is determined, the PM's office would greatly
>>> appreciate being aprised of which players are currently laureled. There
>>> have been so many wins lately that is inforfmation is difficult to figure
>>> out.
>>> 
>>> Sincerely,
>>> The Office of the Prime Minister
>>