DIS: Re: BUS: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 8596-8601 (attn Treasuror)

[Trigon via agora-discussion]

El 08/09/2021 a las 00:24, Edward Murphy via agora-business escribió:

Jason wrote:

The following sponsored adopted proposals have the highest popularity 
(1.000): 8599 (by G.), 8600 (by G.), 8601 (by Murphy).


I gain a Legislative Card (may be too late, trying anyway in case not.


)

It did not work. The window was seven days from 30 August; that period 
ended on 6 September.


--
Trigon

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Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 8596-8601

[Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion]

On 8/31/2021 12:22 AM, Aspen via agora-discussion wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 31, 2021 at 12:06 AM Sarah S. wrote:

>> I think the CFJ called on your proposal is the longest and most
>> controversial CFJ I at least have ever seen. Sorry for all the bother about
>> that.
> 
> It's definitely in my top five, probably my top three. I'd be curious
> to hear from G. and ais523, who have been here longer than I have.


A good Survivor search topic!  Pretty sure it's the most split moot voting
since moots began.  Prior to moots just at a glance, try
https://faculty.washington.edu/kerim/nomic/cases/?1966. Three judges, four
judgements.  The first 3 found TRUE, appealed each time, fourth judgement
false.

History:

Called by omd:  22 May 2008 13:09:58 GMT
Assigned to Machiavelli:23 May 2008 13:41:18 GMT
Judged TRUE by Machiavelli: 26 May 2008 01:07:21 GMT
Appealed by Wooble: 26 May 2008 01:17:37 GMT
Appealed by woggle: 26 May 2008 02:14:50 GMT
Appealed by ais523: 26 May 2008 17:06:57 GMT
Appeal 1966a:   26 May 2008 22:15:06 GMT
REMANDED on Appeal: 30 May 2008 07:13:01 GMT
Assigned to Machiavelli:30 May 2008 07:13:01 GMT
Judged TRUE by Machiavelli: 02 Jun 2008 23:59:25 GMT
Appealed by Murphy: 03 Jun 2008 03:05:23 GMT
Appealed by Wooble: 03 Jun 2008 04:20:51 GMT
Appealed by root:   03 Jun 2008 04:40:20 GMT
Appeal 1966b:   03 Jun 2008 06:07:49 GMT
REASSIGNED on Appeal:   13 Jun 2008 16:44:27 GMT
Assigned to Pavitra:14 Jun 2008 13:48:28 GMT
Appealed by ehird:  14 Jun 2008 15:22:03 GMT
Judged TRUE by Pavitra: 14 Jun 2008 16:54:23 GMT
Appealed by ais523: 14 Jun 2008 17:01:36 GMT
Appealed by Wooble: 14 Jun 2008 17:18:39 GMT
Appealed by omd:14 Jun 2008 17:24:05 GMT
Appeal 1966c:   14 Jun 2008 17:38:14 GMT
REASSIGNED on Appeal:   24 Jun 2008 22:42:08 GMT
Assigned to Wooble: 26 Jun 2008 03:01:44 GMT
Judged FALSE by Wooble: 26 Jun 2008 13:17:57 GMT

(though the record makes it look a bit longer that it really is, listing
the "appealed by" is like listing every supporter for initiating a moot).

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 8596-8601

[D. Wet via agora-discussion]

31 aug. 2021 09:23:41 Aspen via agora-discussion 
:



On Tue, Aug 31, 2021 at 12:06 AM Sarah S. via agora-discussion
 wrote:


On Tue, Aug 31, 2021 at 5:03 PM D. Wet via agora-discussion <
agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote:



31 aug. 2021 01:29:32 Falsifian via agora-discussion
:



//
ID: 8598
Title:
Adoption index: 1.0
Author: G.
Co-authors:


I create a proposal with this sentence as its text, and make it
pending.


I feel sympathy for our brave Promotor.

It seems like my newbie action has inspired a new direction to 
explore?

Or is this unrelated?

That action itself was inspired by trying to play a reverse Gödel's
statement 'This statement is unproveable in this system of axioms'.
Probably aided by the fact that my English is not proficient enough 
(yet)

to play a language-game.

Unfortunately it does not qualify as PARADOXICAL ... only as 
ambiguous.


I like the reflection of Aspen on the matter.

Should and could I do something to make progress on the CFJ besides 
my

vote?
--
D. Wet
www.nomica.nl


I think the CFJ called on your proposal is the longest and most
controversial CFJ I at least have ever seen. Sorry for all the bother 
about

that.


It's definitely in my top five, probably my top three. I'd be curious
to hear from G. and ais523, who have been here longer than I have.

-Aspen
For some unknown reason that fact gives me a warm feeling inside. Maybe 
I'll come up with a proposal that relates to the longevity of proposal 
and/or CFJ procedures... when I have understood the proper way to do so 
(by just reading the rules and observing BUS actions).

--
D. Wet
www.nomica.nl

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 8596-8601

[Telna via agora-discussion]

On 2021-08-31 16:59, D. Wet via agora-discussion wrote:


Should and could I do something to make progress on the CFJ besides my 
vote?

--
D. Wet
www.nomica.nl


At this point there isn't anything to be done other than wait for the 
voting period to end (it lasts a week), but if you are interested in 
judging future CFJs you can ask to be listed as a regular or occasional 
Judge.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 8596-8601

[Aspen via agora-discussion]

On Tue, Aug 31, 2021 at 12:06 AM Sarah S. via agora-discussion
 wrote:
>
> On Tue, Aug 31, 2021 at 5:03 PM D. Wet via agora-discussion <
> agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote:
>
> >
> > 31 aug. 2021 01:29:32 Falsifian via agora-discussion
> > :
> >
> > >> //
> > >> ID: 8598
> > >> Title:
> > >> Adoption index: 1.0
> > >> Author: G.
> > >> Co-authors:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> I create a proposal with this sentence as its text, and make it
> > >> pending.
> > >
> > > I feel sympathy for our brave Promotor.
> > >
> > It seems like my newbie action has inspired a new direction to explore?
> > Or is this unrelated?
> >
> > That action itself was inspired by trying to play a reverse Gödel's
> > statement 'This statement is unproveable in this system of axioms'.
> > Probably aided by the fact that my English is not proficient enough (yet)
> > to play a language-game.
> >
> > Unfortunately it does not qualify as PARADOXICAL ... only as ambiguous.
> >
> > I like the reflection of Aspen on the matter.
> >
> > Should and could I do something to make progress on the CFJ besides my
> > vote?
> > --
> > D. Wet
> > www.nomica.nl
> >
> I think the CFJ called on your proposal is the longest and most
> controversial CFJ I at least have ever seen. Sorry for all the bother about
> that.

It's definitely in my top five, probably my top three. I'd be curious
to hear from G. and ais523, who have been here longer than I have.

-Aspen

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 8596-8601

[Aspen via agora-discussion]

On Tue, Aug 31, 2021 at 12:03 AM D. Wet via agora-discussion
 wrote:
>
>
> 31 aug. 2021 01:29:32 Falsifian via agora-discussion
> :
>
> >> //
> >> ID: 8598
> >> Title:
> >> Adoption index: 1.0
> >> Author: G.
> >> Co-authors:
> >>
> >>
> >> I create a proposal with this sentence as its text, and make it
> >> pending.
> >
> > I feel sympathy for our brave Promotor.
> >
> It seems like my newbie action has inspired a new direction to explore?
> Or is this unrelated?

It was indeed your action!



> That action itself was inspired by trying to play a reverse Gödel's
> statement 'This statement is unproveable in this system of axioms'.
> Probably aided by the fact that my English is not proficient enough (yet)
> to play a language-game.
>
> Unfortunately it does not qualify as PARADOXICAL ... only as ambiguous.

Truly PARADOXICAL cases are a rarity at present. I think I've seen...
maybe four, since we reenacted wins by paradox in 2017.

> I like the reflection of Aspen on the matter.

Thank you! That means a lot to me.

> Should and could I do something to make progress on the CFJ besides my
> vote?

Not really. If the result of the decision is REMAND, you can submit
arguments for the judge to consider.

-Aspen

DIS: Re: BUS: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 8596-8601

[Aspen via agora-discussion]

On Mon, Aug 30, 2021 at 8:53 PM Sarah S. via agora-business
 wrote:
>
> On Tue, Aug 31, 2021 at 9:21 AM ais523 via agora-business <
> agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 2021-08-30 at 16:03 -0400, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote:
> > > An election for Mad Engineer is initiated.
> >
> > I become a candidate in this election.
> >
> > Campaign speech: I did this last time a similar rule existed, and
> > managed to avoid breaking the nomic horribly that time.
> >
> > --
> > ais523
> >
> > I become a candidate too. Pitch: Who embodies a mad scientist more than I
> do?

*glances at CuddleBeam*

-Aspen

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 8596-8601

[Sarah S. via agora-discussion]

On Tue, Aug 31, 2021 at 5:03 PM D. Wet via agora-discussion <
agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote:

>
> 31 aug. 2021 01:29:32 Falsifian via agora-discussion
> :
>
> >> //
> >> ID: 8598
> >> Title:
> >> Adoption index: 1.0
> >> Author: G.
> >> Co-authors:
> >>
> >>
> >> I create a proposal with this sentence as its text, and make it
> >> pending.
> >
> > I feel sympathy for our brave Promotor.
> >
> It seems like my newbie action has inspired a new direction to explore?
> Or is this unrelated?
>
> That action itself was inspired by trying to play a reverse Gödel's
> statement 'This statement is unproveable in this system of axioms'.
> Probably aided by the fact that my English is not proficient enough (yet)
> to play a language-game.
>
> Unfortunately it does not qualify as PARADOXICAL ... only as ambiguous.
>
> I like the reflection of Aspen on the matter.
>
> Should and could I do something to make progress on the CFJ besides my
> vote?
> --
> D. Wet
> www.nomica.nl
>
I think the CFJ called on your proposal is the longest and most
controversial CFJ I at least have ever seen. Sorry for all the bother about
that.

-- 
--
R. Lee

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 8596-8601

[D. Wet via agora-discussion]

31 aug. 2021 01:29:32 Falsifian via agora-discussion 
:



//
ID: 8598
Title:
Adoption index: 1.0
Author: G.
Co-authors:


I create a proposal with this sentence as its text, and make it 
pending.


I feel sympathy for our brave Promotor.

It seems like my newbie action has inspired a new direction to explore? 
Or is this unrelated?


That action itself was inspired by trying to play a reverse Gödel's 
statement 'This statement is unproveable in this system of axioms'. 
Probably aided by the fact that my English is not proficient enough (yet) 
to play a language-game.


Unfortunately it does not qualify as PARADOXICAL ... only as ambiguous.

I like the reflection of Aspen on the matter.

Should and could I do something to make progress on the CFJ besides my 
vote?

--
D. Wet
www.nomica.nl

DIS: Re: BUS: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 8596-8601

[Ørjan Johansen via agora-discussion]

On Mon, 30 Aug 2021, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote:

[snip]

//
ID: 8599
Title: The Device (mark 2)
Adoption index: 1.0
Author: G.
Co-authors: Murphy


[inspired by Rules 2192-2193, "The Monster", by Murphy]


Enact a Rule "The Device" with the following text:

 When the device is on:
   * click - hummm

 When the device is off:
   * whirr - THUNK


Enact a Rule "The Mad Engineer" with the following text:

 The Mad Engineer is an office; its holder is responsible for
 building and maintaining the Device.  The device is a
 singleton switch with values off (default) and on.  The Mad
 Engineer CAN flip the device to either on or off with Agoran
 Consent; any other player CAN do so with 2 Agoran Consent.

 The Mad Engineer CAN act on behalf of
 the device to take any action that the device may take, and
 SHALL act on behalf of the device to ensure that the device
 fulfills all of its duties.

 The Mad Engineer's weekly duties include the performance of the
 following tasks, in order:

 a) Randomly select exactly one rule.  If the selected rule is
either this rule or the rule "The Device", then
007 has been spotted near the self-destruct button; skip
directly to proposal submission.

 b) Select one or more contiguous sentences from the selected
rule.

 c) Select exactly one noun from the selected text, and replace
each instance of that noun with "Device" (including
grammatical variations, e.g. replacing "'s" with
"Device's").

 d) Announce intent to, with Agoran Consent, cause this rule
to amend the rule "The Device" by inserting the modified
text as the last list item in either the "device on" or
"device off" lists in that rule (or, if 007 has been
spotted, to repeal both that rule and this one).
This intent announcement counts as the Mad Engineers's weekly
report.

 If the announcement of intent above is made with the procedure
 described above, the Mad Engineer CAN, with Agoran Consent, cause
 this rule to amend the rule "The Device" as indicated, and SHALL
 do so if the intent receives sufficient support.

[snip]

The parts about self-destruction seem broken to me.  They switch 
ambiguously between whether it shall happen by proposal or with intent, 
neither clearly requiring either nor enabling the latter.


Greetings,
Ørjan.

DIS: Re: BUS: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 8596-8601

[Falsifian via agora-discussion]

> //
> ID: 8598
> Title: 
> Adoption index: 1.0
> Author: G.
> Co-authors: 
> 
> 
> I create a proposal with this sentence as its text, and make it pending.

I feel sympathy for our brave Promotor.

-- 
Falsifian