DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] let's just match the promotor's reality shall we
On Sun, Jun 21, 2020 at 8:52 AM Kerim Aydin via agora-business wrote: > Amend Rule 1607 (Distribution) by replacing: > The Promotor's report includes a list of all proposals in the > Proposal Pool > with: > The Promotor's report includes a list of all proposals that were > in the Proposal Pool at the beginning of the current Agoran week What about times when traffic is low and it makes more sense to do reports as of the time of the distribution? If there are three proposals in the pool, and a fourth comes out, it isn't generally a big deal. This gives more consistency, but I'm not sure it's worth it. -Aris
Reports as snapshots of fixed time (was: Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] let's just match the promotor's reality shall we)
Treasuror checking in. I feel like I should comment early on this thread as this change would affect my office a lot. -- Trigon currently on a phone On Sun, Jun 21, 2020, 12:16 Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > Should we do it with other reports too? This would help us get > > complete snapshots. If we really wanted to, we could even split asset > > tracking between Dealor/Treasuror as mentioned in the other thread and > > still have snapshots. > > > > Dunno how much complete snapshots matter outside of asset tracking. > At first I was a bit apprehensive about this idea, but I have found myself thinking about this more and more. I think actually that having weekly snapshots of Asset holdings could be incredibly valuable for historical purposes. Especially if asset tracking is split among several officers. For things like CFJs and ADoP, things move slowly enough, or the timing of > most changes is under the control of the officer (cfj assignments, > election resolutions) it's easy or easier (IMO) to do up-to-the-minute. > E.g. I always do the gazette right after case assignments and I rarely > have to worry about a new cfj being called or judgement delivered in the > mean time, it would be harder for me to go back and say "what was the > snapshot 5 days ago" and it seems silly/uniformative to report CFJs as > "open" (or an office as vacant) when it was resolved 4 days ago. > This is a very valid point. I would say the same goes for Rulekeepor; versions of the ruleset are generally based on the Assessor's resolutions. Especially relevant at this point since the two officers are currently the same person. So my first reaction was that things like Treasuror should also be "up to > the minute" by default - if the report is filling in lots of little > transactions it's relatively easy to be "up-to-the minute" and there's > nothing in currency rules keyed to the start of a week. But now I'm > wondering: maybe for gameplay, it *would* be more interesting (and a > change) to be more turn-based as in "here's the state at the beginning of > the turn (i.e. the start of the week)." And if Cards/products get spread > across multiple offices (as is being discussed) it's probably good to have > a sync point to track transmutations etc. > I know I'm not going to be 100% reliable as a Treasuror. If I had an obligation to post asset balances as of a specific point in time each week, the Agoran public could likely count on more consistent snapshots as opposed to my current philosophy of "let's put one out mid-to-end-of-week" which allows for a gap of 5-9 days between reports. In short, I am supportive of this idea in general. >
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] let's just match the promotor's reality shall we
On 6/21/2020 10:11 AM, James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: > On Sun, 21 Jun 2020 at 15:52, Kerim Aydin wrote: >> [This confuses everyone regularly, except Aris. Let's just make it clear] >> >> I submit the following proposal "no backdating needed", AI-3: >> >> >> >> Amend Rule 1607 (Distribution) by replacing: >> The Promotor's report includes a list of all proposals in the >> Proposal Pool >> with: >> The Promotor's report includes a list of all proposals that were >> in the Proposal Pool at the beginning of the current Agoran week >> >> > > Should we do it with other reports too? This would help us get > complete snapshots. If we really wanted to, we could even split asset > tracking between Dealor/Treasuror as mentioned in the other thread and > still have snapshots. > > Dunno how much complete snapshots matter outside of asset tracking. Hmm, my first reaction was that proposals are a special case. For proposals, it's good to have a fixed weekly check point so you don't have to go back and re-do whole proposal distributions if you miss one, and this explicitly lines up with the current legal responsibilities, that link distribution to proposals that are in the pool and pending at week start. For things like CFJs and ADoP, things move slowly enough, or the timing of most changes is under the control of the officer (cfj assignments, election resolutions) it's easy or easier (IMO) to do up-to-the-minute. E.g. I always do the gazette right after case assignments and I rarely have to worry about a new cfj being called or judgement delivered in the mean time, it would be harder for me to go back and say "what was the snapshot 5 days ago" and it seems silly/uniformative to report CFJs as "open" (or an office as vacant) when it was resolved 4 days ago. So my first reaction was that things like Treasuror should also be "up to the minute" by default - if the report is filling in lots of little transactions it's relatively easy to be "up-to-the minute" and there's nothing in currency rules keyed to the start of a week. But now I'm wondering: maybe for gameplay, it *would* be more interesting (and a change) to be more turn-based as in "here's the state at the beginning of the turn (i.e. the start of the week)." And if Cards/products get spread across multiple offices (as is being discussed) it's probably good to have a sync point to track transmutations etc. -G.
DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] let's just match the promotor's reality shall we
On Sun, 21 Jun 2020 at 15:52, Kerim Aydin via agora-business wrote: > [This confuses everyone regularly, except Aris. Let's just make it clear] > > I submit the following proposal "no backdating needed", AI-3: > > > > Amend Rule 1607 (Distribution) by replacing: > The Promotor's report includes a list of all proposals in the > Proposal Pool > with: > The Promotor's report includes a list of all proposals that were > in the Proposal Pool at the beginning of the current Agoran week > > Should we do it with other reports too? This would help us get complete snapshots. If we really wanted to, we could even split asset tracking between Dealor/Treasuror as mentioned in the other thread and still have snapshots. Dunno how much complete snapshots matter outside of asset tracking. - Falsifian
