DIS: Re: BUS: Birthday Tournament Regulations v1.1
On 6/29/20 9:52 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-business wrote: > > On 6/29/2020 10:22 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: >> I intend, Without 3 Objections, to enact the following — modified from >> previous Birthday regulations and a variety of rulesets for Diplomacy, >> primarily those of EPCC [0] and the official rules [1] and corrected >> according to feedback — as the regulations for this year's Birthday >> Tournament. > > I support! > > > Finally got to read this, some small comments: > >> If fewer than seven persons have become Contestants, >> the Gamemaster CAN replace the text of these regulations with >> appropriate regulations for a Nomic-inspired game, such as FRC, an >> experimental Nomic, or a sub-Nomic. > > I love the fact that this could morph into any game. Hopefully, we won't need this, but it's good to have. > >> The judge SHOULD award a badge to all participants in >> the Tournament, broadly construed, after the conclusion of the >> Tournament unless it has not been completed in a satisfactory manner. > > Traditionally, for badges we've also included non-members who watch and > actively comment. That's my intent is "broadly construed". > >> were made with arbitrary or capricious disregard for the terms of these > > Yay, administrative law! > >> 7. Contestants may seek the assistance of non-Contestants. > > (e.g. such helpers should get the badge too) See above. > >> When a Proposal has received a number of >> non-withdrawn votes in favor greater than half the number of >> Contestants, the Judge SHALL, in a timely fashion, and CAN enact the >> proposal by publishing the new text of the regulations and the number of >> votes in favor and against. The Judge SHALL NOT reveal the votes of >> specific Contestants. > > Since this isn't synced to moves, it would be great if the judge would > make a policy of being clear about the timing of this ahead of time, the > judge could have a huge impact just by deciding to enact a proposal before > versus after movement. You did that a little bit on the section about > orders timing, but that still leaves the judge a lot of leeway. I've intentionally left it open, but my plan is to enact any proposal that is passed before the close of orders before processing orders. -- Publius Scribonius Scholasticus, Herald, Referee, Tailor, Pirate Champion, Badge of the Great Agoran Revival, Badge of the Salted Earth
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Birthday Tournament Regulations
On 6/28/20 9:43 PM, James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: > Sorry, I didn't get around to reading these until now. Thanks for > going to the effort to write these! Comments inline. > >> 4. The judge is the final arbitor on matters of this tournament, and eir >> decisions can overturned if and only if a CFJ finds eir decisions were > > "can overturned" Fixed. > >> 8. At any time, any Contestant CAN submit a Proposal to change the rules >> by announcement. Any Contestant CAN withdraw any Proposal e has >> submitted by announcement. When a Proposal has been submitted but not >> withdrawn, any Contestant other than the Proposer CAN privately send a >> vote to the Judge. When a Proposal has received at least three >> non-withdrawn votes in favor, the Judge SHALL, in a timely fashion, and >> CAN enact the proposal by publishing the new text of the regulations and >> the number of votes in favor and against. The Judge SHALL NOT reveal the >> votes of specific Contestants. > > Will this bog down the game once four players are eliminated from the > board but have majority voting power? Yes, so I've modified it. > >> 10. Contestants SHALL NOT offer favors outside of this Tournament in >> order to influence the outcome of it. Contestants CAN and SHOULD lie and >> engage in deceit for personal gain. > > I think it would be good to forbid pledges, contracts or any other > enforcable agreements too. Added. > >> 16. Each turn represents six months of time. The first turn is called a >> Spring turn and the next a Fall turn. After each Fall turn, each Great >> Power must reconcile the number of units it controls with the number of >> supply centers it controls. At this time some units are removed and new >> ones are built. After a Fall turn, if one Great Power controls 18 or >> more supply centers, all other Contestants cease to be Contestants. > > Maybe add "as specified elsewhere in these regulations" after "new > ones are built"? I was confused when I first read this regulation that > it's e.g. missing the requirement that you only build at home. Added. > > Also, I didn't realize I'm supposed to include this as conditionals in > my orders for the turn until re-reading. You might want to remind > players. I'll include a reminder. > >> 19. If two units of equal strength or which are equally supported are >> trying to occupy the same province, all remain where they began. If two >> or more units are ordered to the same province, none of them can move. > > Shouldn't the one with more support win? Yes, fixed > >> If two units are each ordered to the province that the other occupies, >> neither can move. > > Same (or is my Diplomacy knowledge rusty?) My understanding is that this is correct. > >> If an attack is successful, the attacking unit moves >> into the province to which it was ordered. If the unit that was attacked >> had no orders of its own to move elsewhere, it’s defeated and dislodged >> from the province. The dislodged unit must retreat or be disbanded. > > "Attack" isn't defined. Would it make sense to phrase more neutrally > in terms of "move"? > > - Falsifian > These changes are significant enough that I'll do a new version, my apologies for rushing this, but I'll allow more discussion first. -- Publius Scribonius Scholasticus, Herald, Referee, Tailor, Pirate Champion, Badge of the Great Agoran Revival, Badge of the Salted Earth
DIS: Re: BUS: Birthday Tournament Regulations
Sorry, I didn't get around to reading these until now. Thanks for going to the effort to write these! Comments inline. > 4. The judge is the final arbitor on matters of this tournament, and eir > decisions can overturned if and only if a CFJ finds eir decisions were "can overturned" > 8. At any time, any Contestant CAN submit a Proposal to change the rules > by announcement. Any Contestant CAN withdraw any Proposal e has > submitted by announcement. When a Proposal has been submitted but not > withdrawn, any Contestant other than the Proposer CAN privately send a > vote to the Judge. When a Proposal has received at least three > non-withdrawn votes in favor, the Judge SHALL, in a timely fashion, and > CAN enact the proposal by publishing the new text of the regulations and > the number of votes in favor and against. The Judge SHALL NOT reveal the > votes of specific Contestants. Will this bog down the game once four players are eliminated from the board but have majority voting power? > 10. Contestants SHALL NOT offer favors outside of this Tournament in > order to influence the outcome of it. Contestants CAN and SHOULD lie and > engage in deceit for personal gain. I think it would be good to forbid pledges, contracts or any other enforcable agreements too. > 16. Each turn represents six months of time. The first turn is called a > Spring turn and the next a Fall turn. After each Fall turn, each Great > Power must reconcile the number of units it controls with the number of > supply centers it controls. At this time some units are removed and new > ones are built. After a Fall turn, if one Great Power controls 18 or > more supply centers, all other Contestants cease to be Contestants. Maybe add "as specified elsewhere in these regulations" after "new ones are built"? I was confused when I first read this regulation that it's e.g. missing the requirement that you only build at home. Also, I didn't realize I'm supposed to include this as conditionals in my orders for the turn until re-reading. You might want to remind players. > 19. If two units of equal strength or which are equally supported are > trying to occupy the same province, all remain where they began. If two > or more units are ordered to the same province, none of them can move. Shouldn't the one with more support win? > If two units are each ordered to the province that the other occupies, > neither can move. Same (or is my Diplomacy knowledge rusty?) > If an attack is successful, the attacking unit moves > into the province to which it was ordered. If the unit that was attacked > had no orders of its own to move elsewhere, it’s defeated and dislodged > from the province. The dislodged unit must retreat or be disbanded. "Attack" isn't defined. Would it make sense to phrase more neutrally in terms of "move"? - Falsifian
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Birthday Tournament Regulations
On 6/28/20 8:31 PM, omd via agora-discussion wrote: > >> The Gamemaster CAN, by announcement, amend >> the gamestate by substituting one Contestant into all instances of >> another Contestant. > > Extra space, and it’s pretty unclear what this means. It's intended to allow me to replace a Contestant who disappears. > >> the victor is (1) the last contestant remaining. > > Extra space, and what’s the (1) doing there? I believe that it specifies that that there is one such person. > >> they SHALL notify the Judge and publicly announce the identities of any > > Extra space > >> 8. At any time, any Contestant CAN submit a Proposal to change the rules > > s/rules/regulations > >> lasting from 0 UTC >> until 24 UTC >> 12 UTC >> 24 UTC > > Extra space, and shouldn’t these have :00 appended? I don't think it's necessary, but I could add it. > >> Not >> giving a unit > > space > For the extra spaces, I don't think it's a major concern, so I'll only fix them if other issues arise.. -- Publius Scribonius Scholasticus, Herald, Referee, Tailor, Pirate Champion, Badge of the Great Agoran Revival, Badge of the Salted Earth
DIS: Re: BUS: Birthday Tournament Regulations
> The Gamemaster CAN, by announcement, amend > the gamestate by substituting one Contestant into all instances of > another Contestant. Extra space, and it’s pretty unclear what this means. > the victor is (1) the last contestant remaining. Extra space, and what’s the (1) doing there? > they SHALL notify the Judge and publicly announce the identities of any Extra space > 8. At any time, any Contestant CAN submit a Proposal to change the rules s/rules/regulations > lasting from 0 UTC > until 24 UTC > 12 UTC > 24 UTC Extra space, and shouldn’t these have :00 appended? > Not > giving a unit space
