Re: DIS: Re: BUS: criminal behavior

2020-06-11 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion
On Thu, Jun 11, 2020 at 2:50 PM James Cook via agora-discussion
 wrote:
>
> On Wed, 10 Jun 2020 at 22:27, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via
> agora-business  wrote:
> > On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 6:06 PM nch via agora-business
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > On 6/10/20 4:22 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-business wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I ossify Agora.
> > > >
> > > I point my finger at G. for Faking. At least one person believed e had
> > > ossified Agora, and acted on it.
> > >
> > >
> >
> > I find this finger pointing to be valid; I impose the Cold Hand of
> > Justice by levying an unforgivable fine of 1 blot on G. because this
> > was clearly intentional but inconsequential. However, as a result of
> > this, I believe that any attempt to impose a fine for the Indictment
> > would be INEFFECTIVE because it is the same conduct for which e is
> > being fined here. In other words, the plot thickens.
>
> I'm not convinced it was made with the intent to mislead. It looked to
> me like an obvious attempt to test DADA with an action that doesn't
> actually do anything.
>
> So now we have a buggy indictment process and a lesser fine which may
> or may not have been successfully levied and so may or may not block
> the indictment process from leading to a fine.
>
> - Falsifian

The appropriate means to appeal would be to CFJ on whether my fine was
EFFECTIVE. If it were found to be INEFFECTIVE, we would then fine em
through the Indictment, but I've realized that the Indictment process
probably still has to occur even though the fine at the end couldn't
be imposed.


Re: DIS: Re: BUS: criminal behavior

2020-06-11 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Thu, Jun 11, 2020 at 11:50 AM James Cook via agora-discussion <
agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote:

> On Wed, 10 Jun 2020 at 22:27, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via
> agora-business  wrote:
> > On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 6:06 PM nch via agora-business
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > On 6/10/20 4:22 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-business wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I ossify Agora.
> > > >
> > > I point my finger at G. for Faking. At least one person believed e had
> > > ossified Agora, and acted on it.
> > >
> > >
> >
> > I find this finger pointing to be valid; I impose the Cold Hand of
> > Justice by levying an unforgivable fine of 1 blot on G. because this
> > was clearly intentional but inconsequential. However, as a result of
> > this, I believe that any attempt to impose a fine for the Indictment
> > would be INEFFECTIVE because it is the same conduct for which e is
> > being fined here. In other words, the plot thickens.
>
> I'm not convinced it was made with the intent to mislead. It looked to
> me like an obvious attempt to test DADA with an action that doesn't
> actually do anything.
>
> So now we have a buggy indictment process and a lesser fine which may
> or may not have been successfully levied and so may or may not block
> the indictment process from leading to a fine.
>

What I really like about Agora is that Agorans keep everything so simple.
Gameplay is so concrete and grounded, and the players tale a common sense
approach to the game, avoiding complexities such as hypotheticals and
paradoxes. ;)

-Aris


DIS: Re: BUS: criminal behavior

2020-06-11 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
On Wed, 10 Jun 2020 at 22:27, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via
agora-business  wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 6:06 PM nch via agora-business
>  wrote:
> >
> >
> > On 6/10/20 4:22 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-business wrote:
> > >
> > > I ossify Agora.
> > >
> > I point my finger at G. for Faking. At least one person believed e had
> > ossified Agora, and acted on it.
> >
> >
>
> I find this finger pointing to be valid; I impose the Cold Hand of
> Justice by levying an unforgivable fine of 1 blot on G. because this
> was clearly intentional but inconsequential. However, as a result of
> this, I believe that any attempt to impose a fine for the Indictment
> would be INEFFECTIVE because it is the same conduct for which e is
> being fined here. In other words, the plot thickens.

I'm not convinced it was made with the intent to mislead. It looked to
me like an obvious attempt to test DADA with an action that doesn't
actually do anything.

So now we have a buggy indictment process and a lesser fine which may
or may not have been successfully levied and so may or may not block
the indictment process from leading to a fine.

- Falsifian


Re: DIS: Re: BUS: criminal behavior

2020-06-10 Thread ATMunn via agora-discussion

*ever

On 6/10/2020 9:46 PM, ATMunn via agora-discussion wrote:

not sure three words have never made me laugh more

On 6/10/2020 5:22 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-business wrote:


I ossify Agora.



DIS: Re: BUS: criminal behavior

2020-06-10 Thread ATMunn via agora-discussion

not sure three words have never made me laugh more

On 6/10/2020 5:22 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-business wrote:


I ossify Agora.



DIS: Re: BUS: criminal behavior

2020-06-10 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion


On 6/10/2020 3:26 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 6:06 PM nch wrote:
>> On 6/10/20 4:22 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-business wrote:
>>>
>>> I ossify Agora.
>>>
>> I point my finger at G. for Faking. At least one person believed e had
>> ossified Agora, and acted on it.
>>
>>
> 
> I find this finger pointing to be valid; I impose the Cold Hand of
> Justice by levying an unforgivable fine of 1 blot on G. because this
> was clearly intentional but inconsequential. However, as a result of
> this, I believe that any attempt to impose a fine for the Indictment
> would be INEFFECTIVE because it is the same conduct for which e is
> being fined here. In other words, the plot thickens.
> 

lol.  I wasn't going to comment for a bit and am reserving my defense, but
the fact that punishment for an obvious lie prevents punishment for a
failed ossification is hilarious (and somewhat just, actually - an
accidental plea bargain).