Re: DIS: Re: BUS: indirect wins
lmao my sides On Fri, Jun 12, 2020 at 7:48 PM Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > Naw when I wrote that I was picturing this one: > > http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/tim-and-eric-mind-blown.gif > > On 6/12/2020 10:04 AM, Cuddle Beam via agora-discussion wrote: > > tfw you transcend logic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwmeH6Rnj2E > > > > On Fri, Jun 12, 2020 at 6:53 PM James Cook via agora-discussion < > > agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > > >> On Thu, 11 Jun 2020 at 22:24, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion > >> wrote: > >>> On 6/11/2020 2:48 PM, nch via agora-discussion wrote: > On 6/11/20 3:29 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-business wrote: > > > > I submit the following proposal, "win indirection", AI-1: > > > >> > > Amend Rule 2553 (Win by Paradox) by replacing: > > > > that case's initiator CAN, by announcement, win the game. > > > > with: > > > > that case's initiator, CAN, by announcement, Transcend Logic. > >> When > > a person transcends logic, e wins the game. > > > > > > [This should make all wins in the rules indirect: Ribbons, > > Tournaments, and Apathy are indirect already] > > > >> > > > > > Unfortunately I think Sets breaks this style. > > >>> > >>> Yah I figured a Sets win was at least a month away (I hope!) so there > >>> would be time - was thinking about the "proposals for a > not-even-adopted > >>> yet system" thing. :) > >>> > >>> But interestingly, if Falsifian's theory is correct, exactly 1 win > method > >>> would be allowed to be "direct", which would stop any other "direct" > win > >>> methods but still allow for indirect ones. So even if it isn't > changed, > >>> it's fine for now if the above proposal is adopted. > >>> > >>> -G. > >> > >> Sets uses "by announcement". As long as winning the game is not > >> associated with a fee anywhere in the rules, I don't see a problem. > >> Still, I support extending this proposal to Sets after it passes, in > >> case there still is a problem, and to keep a consistent style. > >> > >> - Falsifian > >> >
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: indirect wins
On 6/12/2020 9:53 AM, James Cook via agora-discussion wrote:
> On Thu, 11 Jun 2020 at 22:24, Kerim Aydin wrote:
>> On 6/11/2020 2:48 PM, nch via agora-discussion wrote:
>>> On 6/11/20 3:29 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-business wrote:
I submit the following proposal, "win indirection", AI-1:
Amend Rule 2553 (Win by Paradox) by replacing:
that case's initiator CAN, by announcement, win the game.
with:
that case's initiator, CAN, by announcement, Transcend Logic. When
a person transcends logic, e wins the game.
[This should make all wins in the rules indirect: Ribbons,
Tournaments, and Apathy are indirect already]
>>> Unfortunately I think Sets breaks this style.
>>>
>>
>> Yah I figured a Sets win was at least a month away (I hope!) so there
>> would be time - was thinking about the "proposals for a not-even-adopted
>> yet system" thing. :)
>>
>> But interestingly, if Falsifian's theory is correct, exactly 1 win method
>> would be allowed to be "direct", which would stop any other "direct" win
>> methods but still allow for indirect ones. So even if it isn't changed,
>> it's fine for now if the above proposal is adopted.
>>
>> -G.
>
> Sets uses "by announcement". As long as winning the game is not
> associated with a fee anywhere in the rules, I don't see a problem.
> Still, I support extending this proposal to Sets after it passes, in
> case there still is a problem, and to keep a consistent style.
The proposal is also based on the realization during the discussion, that
Rule 2449 very much made winning an "event" ("when it happens") rather
than an action that could be performed. I didn't know if anyone would
quibble that grammatical/causal point in the future but doesn't hurt to
separate the performable action from the event.
-G.
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: indirect wins
Naw when I wrote that I was picturing this one: http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/tim-and-eric-mind-blown.gif On 6/12/2020 10:04 AM, Cuddle Beam via agora-discussion wrote: > tfw you transcend logic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwmeH6Rnj2E > > On Fri, Jun 12, 2020 at 6:53 PM James Cook via agora-discussion < > agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > >> On Thu, 11 Jun 2020 at 22:24, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion >> wrote: >>> On 6/11/2020 2:48 PM, nch via agora-discussion wrote: On 6/11/20 3:29 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-business wrote: > > I submit the following proposal, "win indirection", AI-1: > >> > Amend Rule 2553 (Win by Paradox) by replacing: > > that case's initiator CAN, by announcement, win the game. > > with: > > that case's initiator, CAN, by announcement, Transcend Logic. >> When > a person transcends logic, e wins the game. > > > [This should make all wins in the rules indirect: Ribbons, > Tournaments, and Apathy are indirect already] > >> > > Unfortunately I think Sets breaks this style. >>> >>> Yah I figured a Sets win was at least a month away (I hope!) so there >>> would be time - was thinking about the "proposals for a not-even-adopted >>> yet system" thing. :) >>> >>> But interestingly, if Falsifian's theory is correct, exactly 1 win method >>> would be allowed to be "direct", which would stop any other "direct" win >>> methods but still allow for indirect ones. So even if it isn't changed, >>> it's fine for now if the above proposal is adopted. >>> >>> -G. >> >> Sets uses "by announcement". As long as winning the game is not >> associated with a fee anywhere in the rules, I don't see a problem. >> Still, I support extending this proposal to Sets after it passes, in >> case there still is a problem, and to keep a consistent style. >> >> - Falsifian >>
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: indirect wins
tfw you transcend logic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwmeH6Rnj2E On Fri, Jun 12, 2020 at 6:53 PM James Cook via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On Thu, 11 Jun 2020 at 22:24, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion > wrote: > > On 6/11/2020 2:48 PM, nch via agora-discussion wrote: > > > On 6/11/20 3:29 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-business wrote: > > >> > > >> I submit the following proposal, "win indirection", AI-1: > > >> > > > >> Amend Rule 2553 (Win by Paradox) by replacing: > > >> > > >> that case's initiator CAN, by announcement, win the game. > > >> > > >> with: > > >> > > >> that case's initiator, CAN, by announcement, Transcend Logic. > When > > >> a person transcends logic, e wins the game. > > >> > > >> > > >> [This should make all wins in the rules indirect: Ribbons, > > >> Tournaments, and Apathy are indirect already] > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > Unfortunately I think Sets breaks this style. > > > > > > > Yah I figured a Sets win was at least a month away (I hope!) so there > > would be time - was thinking about the "proposals for a not-even-adopted > > yet system" thing. :) > > > > But interestingly, if Falsifian's theory is correct, exactly 1 win method > > would be allowed to be "direct", which would stop any other "direct" win > > methods but still allow for indirect ones. So even if it isn't changed, > > it's fine for now if the above proposal is adopted. > > > > -G. > > Sets uses "by announcement". As long as winning the game is not > associated with a fee anywhere in the rules, I don't see a problem. > Still, I support extending this proposal to Sets after it passes, in > case there still is a problem, and to keep a consistent style. > > - Falsifian >
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: indirect wins
On Thu, 11 Jun 2020 at 22:24, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > On 6/11/2020 2:48 PM, nch via agora-discussion wrote: > > On 6/11/20 3:29 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-business wrote: > >> > >> I submit the following proposal, "win indirection", AI-1: > >> > >> Amend Rule 2553 (Win by Paradox) by replacing: > >> > >> that case's initiator CAN, by announcement, win the game. > >> > >> with: > >> > >> that case's initiator, CAN, by announcement, Transcend Logic. When > >> a person transcends logic, e wins the game. > >> > >> > >> [This should make all wins in the rules indirect: Ribbons, > >> Tournaments, and Apathy are indirect already] > >> > >> > >> > > Unfortunately I think Sets breaks this style. > > > > Yah I figured a Sets win was at least a month away (I hope!) so there > would be time - was thinking about the "proposals for a not-even-adopted > yet system" thing. :) > > But interestingly, if Falsifian's theory is correct, exactly 1 win method > would be allowed to be "direct", which would stop any other "direct" win > methods but still allow for indirect ones. So even if it isn't changed, > it's fine for now if the above proposal is adopted. > > -G. Sets uses "by announcement". As long as winning the game is not associated with a fee anywhere in the rules, I don't see a problem. Still, I support extending this proposal to Sets after it passes, in case there still is a problem, and to keep a consistent style. - Falsifian
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: indirect wins
On 6/11/2020 2:48 PM, nch via agora-discussion wrote: > On 6/11/20 3:29 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-business wrote: >> >> I submit the following proposal, "win indirection", AI-1: >> >> Amend Rule 2553 (Win by Paradox) by replacing: >> >> that case's initiator CAN, by announcement, win the game. >> >> with: >> >> that case's initiator, CAN, by announcement, Transcend Logic. When >> a person transcends logic, e wins the game. >> >> >> [This should make all wins in the rules indirect: Ribbons, >> Tournaments, and Apathy are indirect already] >> >> >> > Unfortunately I think Sets breaks this style. > Yah I figured a Sets win was at least a month away (I hope!) so there would be time - was thinking about the "proposals for a not-even-adopted yet system" thing. :) But interestingly, if Falsifian's theory is correct, exactly 1 win method would be allowed to be "direct", which would stop any other "direct" win methods but still allow for indirect ones. So even if it isn't changed, it's fine for now if the above proposal is adopted. -G.
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: indirect wins
On 2020-06-11 15:48, nch via agora-discussion wrote: -- nch Webmastor, NAX Exchange Manager I love this. "Needlessly Abstract Exchange Exchange Manager" -- Trigon
DIS: Re: BUS: indirect wins
On 6/11/20 3:29 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-business wrote: > > I submit the following proposal, "win indirection", AI-1: > > Amend Rule 2553 (Win by Paradox) by replacing: > > that case's initiator CAN, by announcement, win the game. > > with: > > that case's initiator, CAN, by announcement, Transcend Logic. When > a person transcends logic, e wins the game. > > > [This should make all wins in the rules indirect: Ribbons, > Tournaments, and Apathy are indirect already] > > > Unfortunately I think Sets breaks this style. -- nch Webmastor, NAX Exchange Manager
