Re: DIS: Re: BUS: looting the bodies
On Tue, 10 Apr 2018, Benjamin Schultz wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 9:31 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote:
> >
> >
> > One more step first!
> >
> > I set PSS's master switch to VJ Rada. (Registrar duty).
> >
> > *now* you can act on behalf of em.
> >
> > We really should fix that, no reason it shouldn't be self-service when you
> > pay (for any auction not just zombies).
> >
>
> Here's an off the cuff fix. Anybody see any meaningful issues with it?
>
> Draft: Short-circuit Auction Resolution
>
> Amend R2551 by replacing the text:
> {
> When e does so, the Auctioneer SHALL transfer the
> items in that lot to that winner in a timely fashion. If the
> Auctioneer is not a person, then a person authorized to cause the
> Auctioneer to transfer those items SHALL do so in a timely fashion
> after the winner pays the Auctioneer, instead.
> }
>
> with:
>
> {
> When e does so, the Auctioneer immediately and automatically transfers
> the items in that lot to that winner, if the Auctioneer CAN and MAY do so.
> }
Couple things:
- The "if the Auctioneer CAN and MAY do so" might not work with Agora, because
I don't know where it says that Agora CAN make the transfer?
- Since the Zombie Auction is a special case that redefines "transfer" as a
switch flip, you'd have to modify the last paragraph of R1885 to match
whatever you came up with here.
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: looting the bodies
Yes, there is one. The auctioneer can get out of giving the goods away by
creating a contract forbidding em from transferring the goods. In that
case, e MAY NOT do so. E could also circumvent the restriction by
transferring the auctioned goods away after the end of the auction, but
before the winner paid, so that e CANNOT do so. How about keeping the
SHALL, but making the fulfillment automatic if e CAN do so. Then in the
case of a contract the auctioneer would break the contract (which would
serve em right), and if e had already transferred the goods away (so e
could not give them up) e would still be required to find a way to fulfill
the obligation.
-Aris
On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 12:40 PM Benjamin Schultz
wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 9:31 PM, Kerim Aydin
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > One more step first!
> >
> > I set PSS's master switch to VJ Rada. (Registrar duty).
> >
> > *now* you can act on behalf of em.
> >
> > We really should fix that, no reason it shouldn't be self-service when
> you
> > pay (for any auction not just zombies).
> >
>
> Here's an off the cuff fix. Anybody see any meaningful issues with it?
>
> Draft: Short-circuit Auction Resolution
>
> Amend R2551 by replacing the text:
> {
> When e does so, the Auctioneer SHALL transfer the
> items in that lot to that winner in a timely fashion. If the
> Auctioneer is not a person, then a person authorized to cause the
> Auctioneer to transfer those items SHALL do so in a timely fashion
> after the winner pays the Auctioneer, instead.
> }
>
> with:
>
> {
> When e does so, the Auctioneer immediately and automatically transfers
> the items in that lot to that winner, if the Auctioneer CAN and MAY do so.
> }
>
> OscarMeyr
>
DIS: Re: BUS: looting the bodies
On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 9:31 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote:
>
>
> One more step first!
>
> I set PSS's master switch to VJ Rada. (Registrar duty).
>
> *now* you can act on behalf of em.
>
> We really should fix that, no reason it shouldn't be self-service when you
> pay (for any auction not just zombies).
>
Here's an off the cuff fix. Anybody see any meaningful issues with it?
Draft: Short-circuit Auction Resolution
Amend R2551 by replacing the text:
{
When e does so, the Auctioneer SHALL transfer the
items in that lot to that winner in a timely fashion. If the
Auctioneer is not a person, then a person authorized to cause the
Auctioneer to transfer those items SHALL do so in a timely fashion
after the winner pays the Auctioneer, instead.
}
with:
{
When e does so, the Auctioneer immediately and automatically transfers
the items in that lot to that winner, if the Auctioneer CAN and MAY do so.
}
OscarMeyr
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: looting the bodies
I absolutely see where you're coming from, and I wouldn't mind a contract for it. The point of the auction rules, though, was to allow bidders to bid more than they have as long as they can pay it when the auction ends. Although, doing something like this with a contract does prevent players from going into a sort of debt because of auctions. On 4/10/2018 1:52 AM, Ned Strange wrote: actually this is probably doable by contract. would anyone be interested in a contract that accomplished this? On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 2:31 PM, Ned Strange wrote: Auctions should just be auto-transfer of funds tbh. Like to make a bid you have to put the money in escrow and when the auction is resolved, the person in charge of administering the auctions should be able to deal with the money and flip the ownership switches as part of that. Anyway on PSS's behalf I transfer eir assets to me god. On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 11:31 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: One more step first! I set PSS's master switch to VJ Rada. (Registrar duty). *now* you can act on behalf of em. We really should fix that, no reason it shouldn't be self-service when you pay (for any auction not just zombies). On Tue, 10 Apr 2018, Ned Strange wrote: Oh, I have to pay. I transfer 12 coins to Agora in the zombie auction for the purpose of paying for PSS, then have PSS transfer eir assets to me. On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 11:11 AM, Ned Strange On behalf of PSS, I have em transfer all of eir assets to me. On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 4:02 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: On behalf of o, I object to all intents to deregister players. On behalf of omd, omd acts on behalf of pokes to object to all intents to deregister players. On Mon, 9 Apr 2018, Kerim Aydin wrote: on behalf of omd, I have omd act on behalf of pokes, to transfer all of pokes' liquid assets to G. on behalf of o, I transfer all of o's liquid assets to G. -- From V.J. Rada -- From V.J. Rada -- From V.J. Rada
DIS: Re: BUS: looting the bodies
actually this is probably doable by contract. would anyone be interested in a contract that accomplished this? On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 2:31 PM, Ned Strange wrote: > Auctions should just be auto-transfer of funds tbh. Like to make a bid you > have to put the money in escrow and when the auction is resolved, the > person in charge of administering the auctions should be able to deal with > the money and flip the ownership switches as part of that. > > Anyway on PSS's behalf I transfer eir assets to me god. > > On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 11:31 AM, Kerim Aydin > wrote: > >> >> >> One more step first! >> >> I set PSS's master switch to VJ Rada. (Registrar duty). >> >> *now* you can act on behalf of em. >> >> We really should fix that, no reason it shouldn't be self-service when you >> pay (for any auction not just zombies). >> >> On Tue, 10 Apr 2018, Ned Strange wrote: >> > Oh, I have to pay. I transfer 12 coins to Agora in the zombie auction >> for >> > the purpose of paying for PSS, then have PSS transfer eir assets to me. >> > >> > On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 11:11 AM, Ned Strange > > >> > wrote: >> > >> > > On behalf of PSS, I have em transfer all of eir assets to me. >> > > >> > > On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 4:02 AM, Kerim Aydin >> > > wrote: >> > > >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> On behalf of o, I object to all intents to deregister players. >> > >> >> > >> On behalf of omd, omd acts on behalf of pokes to object to all >> > >> intents to deregister players. >> > >> >> > >> On Mon, 9 Apr 2018, Kerim Aydin wrote: >> > >> > on behalf of omd, I have omd act on behalf of pokes, to transfer >> > >> > all of pokes' liquid assets to G. >> > >> > >> > >> > on behalf of o, I transfer all of o's liquid assets to G. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> > >> >> > > >> > > >> > > -- >> > > From V.J. Rada >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > From V.J. Rada >> > >> >> > > > -- > From V.J. Rada > -- >From V.J. Rada
