Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8431-8441
On 6/12/20 2:20 PM, James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: > I vote as follows: NttPF -- Jason Cobb
DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8431-8441
I vote as follows: > ID Author(s)AITitle > --- > 8431l Aris, ais523 1.0 Proposal Reward Trimming endorse Aris > 8432* Aris, Alexis, Falsifian 3.0 The Administrative State PRESENT > 8433p Aris, [1]1.5 Simpler Heraldry conditional: if Proposal 8432 has been adopted, or the outome would be ADOPTED if resolved now, then FOR, otherwise endorse Aris > 8434f Aris 1.0 Majoritarian Confidence PRESENT > 8435f Aris, nch, Trigon1.0 No Confidence Isn't Personal PRESENT > 8436f Aris 2.0 Stately Officiation FOR > 8437l R. Lee, G. 1.0 Guilderoy Lockhart endorse R. Lee > 8438e R. Lee 1.0 Tailor Pay endorse P.S.S. > 8439f P.S.S. 2.0 Termination of Candidacy endorse P.S.S. > 8440j R. Lee, P.S.S. 1.7 0 blots patch AGAINST > 8441e nch, Trigon 1.0 Transmutation AGAINST - Falsifian
Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8431-8441
On 6/10/2020 8:15 AM, nch via agora-discussion wrote: > Because currently this is would be the only way to get Victory Cards, > and because everyone seemed paranoid about not being able to pend and I > proposed this as an alternative to writing a bunch of exceptions to the > system. There is no supply faster than the Pend Card supply, which is > already the one people are most worried about. And if you monopolized a > single supply to do this, you'd be creating less products than you > potentially could, which means your trading the benefit you get from > having access to that supply to begin with. > We may need to balance someday and I'd support that, but as I said I really don't want to nerf off the bat. Those sorts of dynamics are part of the whole point of the trading game. If we made things easy and maximum benefit, we're not really limiting ourselves (which is what makes it a "game"). I thought the VC supply was going to be a high priority proposal put in as soon as auctions were proposed...? If you aren't working on that I'm happy to do so.
Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8431-8441
On 6/10/20 10:08 AM, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > > On 6/10/2020 8:05 AM, nch via agora-discussion wrote: >>> This one short sentence, if enacted, takes it from a trading and >>> commodities pricing game to just another individual farming game. >>> >> Farming requires ways to autonomously gain at least 1 resource and >> convert everything you can gain on your own. There's no way to gain a >> Card entirely on your own. >> > Maybe farming was a bad word. By "farming" I mean there will be ways to > get cards that are more plentiful and some that are slower. Inevitably, > if there's a supply that's faster, people will just position themselves to > play to take from that supply (however it's delivered). > > I just don't want to nerf the diversity out of the gate. Why do so? > Because currently this is would be the only way to get Victory Cards, and because everyone seemed paranoid about not being able to pend and I proposed this as an alternative to writing a bunch of exceptions to the system. There is no supply faster than the Pend Card supply, which is already the one people are most worried about. And if you monopolized a single supply to do this, you'd be creating less products than you potentially could, which means your trading the benefit you get from having access to that supply to begin with.
Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8431-8441
On 6/10/2020 8:05 AM, nch via agora-discussion wrote: >> This one short sentence, if enacted, takes it from a trading and >> commodities pricing game to just another individual farming game. >> > Farming requires ways to autonomously gain at least 1 resource and > convert everything you can gain on your own. There's no way to gain a > Card entirely on your own. > Maybe farming was a bad word. By "farming" I mean there will be ways to get cards that are more plentiful and some that are slower. Inevitably, if there's a supply that's faster, people will just position themselves to play to take from that supply (however it's delivered). I just don't want to nerf the diversity out of the gate. Why do so?
Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8431-8441
On 6/10/20 9:57 AM, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > > On 6/10/2020 7:49 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: >>> 8441e nch, Trigon 1.0 Transmutation >> AGAINST. From experience, once you add a way to get any card on your own >> (even if expensive) is lessens trading. > [snip] > >> Enact a new Power=1 rule titled "Transmutation" with the text: >> >>A player CAN pay 3 Cards (syn. transmute) to earn a Card of a >>specified type. > I'd like to highlight this one for discussion a bit more. Part of the > interesting bit of a diverse economy is that you inevitably get some > commodities that are plentiful, and some that are rare. A ratio of 3/1 > is quite expected but maybe 4/1 or 5/1 makes it more interesting, > especially if you get into futures trading. > > The above proposal would basically lock the exchange rate as 3/1 as a max > differential - well worse, because the cards traded in don't even have to > be a set. I think that would homogenize the system and take away from the > diversity in strategies between players, that's the point of the whole > exercise? > > This one short sentence, if enacted, takes it from a trading and > commodities pricing game to just another individual farming game. > Farming requires ways to autonomously gain at least 1 resource and convert everything you can gain on your own. There's no way to gain a Card entirely on your own.
DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8431-8441
On 6/10/2020 7:49 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: >> 8441e nch, Trigon 1.0 Transmutation > AGAINST. From experience, once you add a way to get any card on your own > (even if expensive) is lessens trading. [snip] > Enact a new Power=1 rule titled "Transmutation" with the text: > > A player CAN pay 3 Cards (syn. transmute) to earn a Card of a > specified type. I'd like to highlight this one for discussion a bit more. Part of the interesting bit of a diverse economy is that you inevitably get some commodities that are plentiful, and some that are rare. A ratio of 3/1 is quite expected but maybe 4/1 or 5/1 makes it more interesting, especially if you get into futures trading. The above proposal would basically lock the exchange rate as 3/1 as a max differential - well worse, because the cards traded in don't even have to be a set. I think that would homogenize the system and take away from the diversity in strategies between players, that's the point of the whole exercise? This one short sentence, if enacted, takes it from a trading and commodities pricing game to just another individual farming game.
Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8431-8441
On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 6:09 AM Rebecca via agora-discussion wrote: > > I vote like this > ID Author(s)AITitle > --- > 8431l Aris, ais523 1.0 Proposal Reward Trimming > FOR > 8432* Aris, Alexis, Falsifian 3.0 The Administrative State > PRESENT > 8433p Aris, [1]1.5 Simpler Heraldry > PRESENT > 8434f Aris 1.0 Majoritarian Confidence > FOR > 8435f Aris, nch, Trigon1.0 No Confidence Isn't Personal > PRESENT > 8436f Aris 2.0 Stately Officiation > AGAINST > 8437l R. Lee, G. 1.0 Guilderoy Lockhart > FOR > 8438e R. Lee 1.0 Tailor Pay > FOR > 8439f P.S.S. 2.0 Termination of Candidacy > FOR > 8440j R. Lee, P.S.S. 1.7 0 blots patch > FOR > 8441e nch, Trigon 1.0 Transmutation > FOR > > -- > From R. Lee NttPF
DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8431-8441
I vote like this ID Author(s)AITitle --- 8431l Aris, ais523 1.0 Proposal Reward Trimming FOR 8432* Aris, Alexis, Falsifian 3.0 The Administrative State PRESENT 8433p Aris, [1]1.5 Simpler Heraldry PRESENT 8434f Aris 1.0 Majoritarian Confidence FOR 8435f Aris, nch, Trigon1.0 No Confidence Isn't Personal PRESENT 8436f Aris 2.0 Stately Officiation AGAINST 8437l R. Lee, G. 1.0 Guilderoy Lockhart FOR 8438e R. Lee 1.0 Tailor Pay FOR 8439f P.S.S. 2.0 Termination of Candidacy FOR 8440j R. Lee, P.S.S. 1.7 0 blots patch FOR 8441e nch, Trigon 1.0 Transmutation FOR -- >From R. Lee
