Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] Zombie auction results
Oh, yeah... that makes sense, it *would* have been totally unfair if the Registrar could do that! On Mon, 9 Apr 2018, Gaelan Steele wrote: > Sorry, I was wrong here. I assumed auctions worked like Agoran decisions > in that the auction ended when it was resolved, and you were just > obligated to end it after a certain period of time. You're right, and I > should make sure that I understand the rules better when I talk about > these things. > > Gaelan > > > On Apr 9, 2018, at 11:16 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > > > > >> On Mon, 9 Apr 2018, Gaelan Steele wrote: > >> Is a timing scam an abuse of an office? Does acting on omd’s behalf change > >> this? > > > > Thinking about this more, all the info on auction end timing was public, > > and my rapid transfer after the auction was just to get it done, offered > > no particular game advantage compared to someone who's not the Registrar. > > > > Out of a gross abundance of caution/fair play, I'm not going to bid on the > > land auctions that end in a couple hours tho I was thinking of it - that's > > the only place I might have an advantage (e.g. if I didn't get others' > > zombies to them in time for them to use the money to bid on land). I'm > > going to be AFK between now and when the land auction ends so it would be > > unfair for me to use those funds I just got as I can't do the same for > > other zombie auction winners. > > > > Can't think of any other place the quick timing helps me...? > > > > > >
Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] Zombie auction results
Sorry, I was wrong here. I assumed auctions worked like Agoran decisions in that the auction ended when it was resolved, and you were just obligated to end it after a certain period of time. You're right, and I should make sure that I understand the rules better when I talk about these things. Gaelan > On Apr 9, 2018, at 11:16 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > >> On Mon, 9 Apr 2018, Gaelan Steele wrote: >> Is a timing scam an abuse of an office? Does acting on omd’s behalf change >> this? > > Thinking about this more, all the info on auction end timing was public, > and my rapid transfer after the auction was just to get it done, offered > no particular game advantage compared to someone who's not the Registrar. > > Out of a gross abundance of caution/fair play, I'm not going to bid on the > land auctions that end in a couple hours tho I was thinking of it - that's > the only place I might have an advantage (e.g. if I didn't get others' > zombies to them in time for them to use the money to bid on land). I'm > going to be AFK between now and when the land auction ends so it would be > unfair for me to use those funds I just got as I can't do the same for > other zombie auction winners. > > Can't think of any other place the quick timing helps me...? > >
Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] Zombie auction results
That could extend the auctions indefinitely. Yes, I had control a week ago. Everyone could see the date, and had a week to arrange their schedules if they wanted to snipe the auction end. There's another one coming up for land - is that one unfair? you all know about it. The timing thing is true for everything - sometimes last minute votes matter but we don't penalize the assessor for example, because the timing info is available in plenty of time for people to plan around it. On Mon, 9 Apr 2018, Gaelan Steele wrote: > I was wondering whether the sniping could be construed as an abuse of office. > I think there's an argument to be made that it is, because holding the office > allowed you to have an advantage over everyone else in the auction (others > can attempt snipes, but you have full control over when the auction ends so > you could always snipe them back). Whether this breaks the rules or not, I > think we should add a rule to automatically extend actions after a bid. > > Gaelan > > > On Apr 9, 2018, at 11:01 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > > > > > As far as I can tell it's all straightforward and legal. I mean, I didn't > > bid until right before the end of the auction but nothing "underhanded" > > other than auction-sniping. > > > > My reading of the rules is that I can do this on behalf of omd and it > > doesn't > > affect anything, but the act-on-behalf rules might have some holes (but > > AFAICT, nothing here against the intent of those rules). > > > >> On Mon, 9 Apr 2018, Gaelan Steele wrote: > >> Is a timing scam an abuse of an office? Does acting on omd’s behalf change > >> this? > >> > >> Gaelan > >> > >>> On Apr 9, 2018, at 10:52 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> The zombie auction has ended - here are the results. When each winning > >>> bid is paid, I'll flip the appropriate master switch. > >>> > >>> WINNER BIDLOT > >>> omd 21 pokes > >>> G. 21 o > >>> V.J. Rada 12 Publius Scribonius Scholasticus > >>> ATMunn 10 nichdel > >>> Corona 5 Quazie > >>> > >>> > >>> ALL BIDS IN ORDER PLACED > >>> (x indicates cancelled by later bid) > >>> > >>> x1G. 2 Apr 2018 10:46:46 -0700 > >>> x1Kenyon 2 Apr 2018 11:14:39 -0700 > >>> x1Corona 2 Apr 2018 20:41:24 +0200 > >>> x1Gaelan 2 Apr 2018 11:51:57 -0700 > >>> x2ATMunn 3 Apr 2018 09:03:46 -0400 > >>> x1Kenyon 3 Apr 2018 16:23:58 -0700 > >>> x1Kenyon 3 Apr 2018 16:23:58 -0700 > >>> 4Aris 5 Apr 2018 07:34:44 + > >>> 4Gaelan 5 Apr 2018 07:40:00 -0700 > >>> x3G. 5 Apr 2018 19:41:16 -0700 > >>> 3Kenyon 5 Apr 2018 22:57:19 -0700 > >>> x15 V.J. Rada 7 Apr 2018 15:40:24 +1000 > >>> x30 V.J. Rada 7 Apr 2018 15:42:46 +1000 > >>> 10 ATMunn 7 Apr 2018 12:33:55 -0400 > >>> 5Corona 7 Apr 2018 20:52:09 +0200 > >>> 12 V.J. Rada 9 Apr 2018 08:57:06 +1000 > >>> 21 omd9 Apr 2018 10:26:41 -0700 > >>> 21 G. 9 Apr 2018 10:26:41 -0700 > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >
Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] Zombie auction results
On Mon, 9 Apr 2018, Gaelan Steele wrote: > Is a timing scam an abuse of an office? Does acting on omd’s behalf change > this? Thinking about this more, all the info on auction end timing was public, and my rapid transfer after the auction was just to get it done, offered no particular game advantage compared to someone who's not the Registrar. Out of a gross abundance of caution/fair play, I'm not going to bid on the land auctions that end in a couple hours tho I was thinking of it - that's the only place I might have an advantage (e.g. if I didn't get others' zombies to them in time for them to use the money to bid on land). I'm going to be AFK between now and when the land auction ends so it would be unfair for me to use those funds I just got as I can't do the same for other zombie auction winners. Can't think of any other place the quick timing helps me...?
Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] Zombie auction results
I was wondering whether the sniping could be construed as an abuse of office. I think there's an argument to be made that it is, because holding the office allowed you to have an advantage over everyone else in the auction (others can attempt snipes, but you have full control over when the auction ends so you could always snipe them back). Whether this breaks the rules or not, I think we should add a rule to automatically extend actions after a bid. Gaelan > On Apr 9, 2018, at 11:01 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > As far as I can tell it's all straightforward and legal. I mean, I didn't > bid until right before the end of the auction but nothing "underhanded" > other than auction-sniping. > > My reading of the rules is that I can do this on behalf of omd and it doesn't > affect anything, but the act-on-behalf rules might have some holes (but > AFAICT, nothing here against the intent of those rules). > >> On Mon, 9 Apr 2018, Gaelan Steele wrote: >> Is a timing scam an abuse of an office? Does acting on omd’s behalf change >> this? >> >> Gaelan >> >>> On Apr 9, 2018, at 10:52 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> The zombie auction has ended - here are the results. When each winning >>> bid is paid, I'll flip the appropriate master switch. >>> >>> WINNER BIDLOT >>> omd 21 pokes >>> G. 21 o >>> V.J. Rada 12 Publius Scribonius Scholasticus >>> ATMunn 10 nichdel >>> Corona 5 Quazie >>> >>> >>> ALL BIDS IN ORDER PLACED >>> (x indicates cancelled by later bid) >>> >>> x1G. 2 Apr 2018 10:46:46 -0700 >>> x1Kenyon 2 Apr 2018 11:14:39 -0700 >>> x1Corona 2 Apr 2018 20:41:24 +0200 >>> x1Gaelan 2 Apr 2018 11:51:57 -0700 >>> x2ATMunn 3 Apr 2018 09:03:46 -0400 >>> x1Kenyon 3 Apr 2018 16:23:58 -0700 >>> x1Kenyon 3 Apr 2018 16:23:58 -0700 >>> 4Aris 5 Apr 2018 07:34:44 + >>> 4Gaelan 5 Apr 2018 07:40:00 -0700 >>> x3G. 5 Apr 2018 19:41:16 -0700 >>> 3Kenyon 5 Apr 2018 22:57:19 -0700 >>> x15 V.J. Rada 7 Apr 2018 15:40:24 +1000 >>> x30 V.J. Rada 7 Apr 2018 15:42:46 +1000 >>> 10 ATMunn 7 Apr 2018 12:33:55 -0400 >>> 5Corona 7 Apr 2018 20:52:09 +0200 >>> 12 V.J. Rada 9 Apr 2018 08:57:06 +1000 >>> 21 omd9 Apr 2018 10:26:41 -0700 >>> 21 G. 9 Apr 2018 10:26:41 -0700 >>> >>> >>> >> >>
Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] Zombie auction results
As far as I can tell it's all straightforward and legal. I mean, I didn't bid until right before the end of the auction but nothing "underhanded" other than auction-sniping. My reading of the rules is that I can do this on behalf of omd and it doesn't affect anything, but the act-on-behalf rules might have some holes (but AFAICT, nothing here against the intent of those rules). On Mon, 9 Apr 2018, Gaelan Steele wrote: > Is a timing scam an abuse of an office? Does acting on omd’s behalf change > this? > > Gaelan > > > On Apr 9, 2018, at 10:52 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > > > > > The zombie auction has ended - here are the results. When each winning > > bid is paid, I'll flip the appropriate master switch. > > > > WINNER BIDLOT > > omd 21 pokes > > G. 21 o > > V.J. Rada 12 Publius Scribonius Scholasticus > > ATMunn 10 nichdel > > Corona 5 Quazie > > > > > > ALL BIDS IN ORDER PLACED > > (x indicates cancelled by later bid) > > > > x1G. 2 Apr 2018 10:46:46 -0700 > > x1Kenyon 2 Apr 2018 11:14:39 -0700 > > x1Corona 2 Apr 2018 20:41:24 +0200 > > x1Gaelan 2 Apr 2018 11:51:57 -0700 > > x2ATMunn 3 Apr 2018 09:03:46 -0400 > > x1Kenyon 3 Apr 2018 16:23:58 -0700 > > x1Kenyon 3 Apr 2018 16:23:58 -0700 > > 4Aris 5 Apr 2018 07:34:44 + > > 4Gaelan 5 Apr 2018 07:40:00 -0700 > > x3G. 5 Apr 2018 19:41:16 -0700 > > 3Kenyon 5 Apr 2018 22:57:19 -0700 > > x15 V.J. Rada 7 Apr 2018 15:40:24 +1000 > > x30 V.J. Rada 7 Apr 2018 15:42:46 +1000 > > 10 ATMunn 7 Apr 2018 12:33:55 -0400 > > 5Corona 7 Apr 2018 20:52:09 +0200 > > 12 V.J. Rada 9 Apr 2018 08:57:06 +1000 > > 21 omd9 Apr 2018 10:26:41 -0700 > > 21 G. 9 Apr 2018 10:26:41 -0700 > > > > > > > >
DIS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] Zombie auction results
Is a timing scam an abuse of an office? Does acting on omd’s behalf change this? Gaelan > On Apr 9, 2018, at 10:52 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > The zombie auction has ended - here are the results. When each winning > bid is paid, I'll flip the appropriate master switch. > > WINNER BIDLOT > omd 21 pokes > G. 21 o > V.J. Rada 12 Publius Scribonius Scholasticus > ATMunn 10 nichdel > Corona 5 Quazie > > > ALL BIDS IN ORDER PLACED > (x indicates cancelled by later bid) > > x1G. 2 Apr 2018 10:46:46 -0700 > x1Kenyon 2 Apr 2018 11:14:39 -0700 > x1Corona 2 Apr 2018 20:41:24 +0200 > x1Gaelan 2 Apr 2018 11:51:57 -0700 > x2ATMunn 3 Apr 2018 09:03:46 -0400 > x1Kenyon 3 Apr 2018 16:23:58 -0700 > x1Kenyon 3 Apr 2018 16:23:58 -0700 > 4Aris 5 Apr 2018 07:34:44 + > 4Gaelan 5 Apr 2018 07:40:00 -0700 > x3G. 5 Apr 2018 19:41:16 -0700 > 3Kenyon 5 Apr 2018 22:57:19 -0700 > x15 V.J. Rada 7 Apr 2018 15:40:24 +1000 > x30 V.J. Rada 7 Apr 2018 15:42:46 +1000 > 10 ATMunn 7 Apr 2018 12:33:55 -0400 > 5Corona 7 Apr 2018 20:52:09 +0200 > 12 V.J. Rada 9 Apr 2018 08:57:06 +1000 > 21 omd9 Apr 2018 10:26:41 -0700 > 21 G. 9 Apr 2018 10:26:41 -0700 > > >