Re: DIS: Re: OFF: Rulekeepor's notes for Proposals 4893-4903

2007-03-23 Thread Zefram
Kerim Aydin wrote: >It suddenly occurs to me that this unique precedent gives us two >entities with the same name and/or nickname by R1586 (self- >reference alert: is a Rule a Rules-defined entity?) Interesting. The rules do regulate some aspects of rules, but don't outright define them. There'

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: Rulekeepor's notes for Proposals 4893-4903

2007-03-23 Thread Ed Murphy
Goethe wrote: Zefram wrote: This did not cause any rule to acquire a number previously used by a different rule, which is what's going on here. It suddenly occurs to me that this unique precedent gives us two entities with the same name and/or nickname by R1586 (self- reference alert: is a R

DIS: Re: OFF: Rulekeepor's notes for Proposals 4893-4903

2007-03-23 Thread Kerim Aydin
Zefram wrote: This did not cause any rule to acquire a number previously used by a different rule, which is what's going on here. It suddenly occurs to me that this unique precedent gives us two entities with the same name and/or nickname by R1586 (self- reference alert: is a Rule a Rules-def

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: Rulekeepor's notes for Proposals 4893-4903

2007-03-23 Thread Zefram
Ed Murphy wrote: >Proto: Upon the adoption of this proposal, the Rulekeepor shall >annotate Rule 105 with . I maintain that an explicitly historical document is the place for that. There are a great many rules that I recall playing under that have now been repealed, and I feel a sense of loss in

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: Rulekeepor's notes for Proposals 4893-4903

2007-03-23 Thread Zefram
Kerim Aydin wrote: >Remember that at the instant the new 105 was created, >"amending" had no definition in the ruleset (having been repealed the >instant before) Not true. The new 105 was created (as 2131) under the auspices of the old 105. When the new 105 was modified, that

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: Rulekeepor's notes for Proposals 4893-4903

2007-03-23 Thread Ed Murphy
Goethe wrote: I'd suggest the following record for R105: History: Initial Immutable Rule 105, Jun. 30 1993 Mutated from MI=Unanimity to MI=3 by Proposal 1072, Oct. 4 1994 Amended by Proposal 1275, Oct. 24 1994 Renumbered from 1072 to 105 by Rule 1295, Nov. 1 1994 Amended(1) by Proposal 3445 (Ge

DIS: Re: OFF: Rulekeepor's notes for Proposals 4893-4903

2007-03-23 Thread Kerim Aydin
Zefram wrote: As I noted, that too would result in a clash. The old definition was "the number of times that a rule with that number has been amended". Repealing a rule and then creating a new one with the same number doesn't involve any amendment, so the process ends with the same amendment nu

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: Rulekeepor's notes for Proposals 4893-4903

2007-03-23 Thread Michael Slone
On 3/22/07, Benjamin Schultz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Amendment numbers were repealed? That must have snuck by us. Should we bring it back? When were amendment numbers ever defined? It must be at least several years since they were. -- Michael Slone

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: Rulekeepor's notes for Proposals 4893-4903

2007-03-23 Thread Zefram
Kerim Aydin wrote: > I would disagree >with Zefram's choice, and follow the old regulation governing >amendments, As I noted, that too would result in a clash. The old definition was "the number of times that a rule with that number has been amended".

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: Rulekeepor's notes for Proposals 4893-4903

2007-03-23 Thread Zefram
Benjamin Schultz wrote: >Amendment numbers were repealed? That must have snuck by us. Should >we bring it back? I don't think there's any need for them to be defined in the rules. The rules never *did* anything with them. -zefram

DIS: Re: OFF: Rulekeepor's notes for Proposals 4893-4903

2007-03-22 Thread Kerim Aydin
OscarMeyr wrote: Amendment numbers were repealed? That must have snuck by us. Should we bring it back? I repealed it on purpose, specifically for situations like this: to wit, we have a strong enough tradition that we can leave "amendement numbers" to the discretion of the Rulekeepor. I wo

DIS: Re: OFF: Rulekeepor's notes for Proposals 4893-4903

2007-03-22 Thread Benjamin Schultz
On Mar 22, 2007, at 9:13 AM, Zefram wrote: Amend the rule titled "Fantasy Rule Changes" to have number 105, As amendment numbers are no longer defined by the rules, I've decided that this renumbering did not change the amendment number. That is, Rule 2131/0 became Rule 105/0, despite the