Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Unsubscribe

It would seem so, given that only one of us are the list administrator. On 11/27/2017 10:16 PM, VJ Rada wrote: >> This email (including any attachments) may include information that is > ​>​ > confidential or privileged only for the designated recipient. If you are > ​>​ > not the designated

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Arbitor] CFJ 3607 assigned to G. (and judged with help from ATMunn)

It doesn't matter whether e is a player, if the door has been slammed, you can not call CFJs. I support removing CFJs from the economy. On 11/27/2017 10:09 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > On Tue, 28 Nov 2017, VJ Rada wrote: >> Actually, G, if the CFJ is TRUE, it's not a CFJ because I can't take game

DIS: Re: BUS: [Arbitor] CFJ 3607 assigned to G. (and judged with help from ATMunn)

Based off of tghat judgement, the CFJ was never called. On 11/27/2017 10:02 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > On Tue, 28 Nov 2017, VJ Rada wrote: >> I use AP to call a CFJ with the statement: The Door cannot be Slammed on >> V.J. Rada. >> >> I bar ATMunn. > I assign this CFJ to myself and number it

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ 3607 judged TRUE

The question is which takes precedent in interpreting the clause. On 11/27/2017 09:52 PM, VJ Rada wrote: > series-qualifier principle -- Publius Scribonius Scholasticus signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 7982-7988

On Mon, 2017-11-27 at 22:56 +, Alexis Hunt wrote: > On Mon, Nov 27, 2017, 17:52 Kerim Aydin, > wrote: > > Ah, gotcha. I was racking by brain for any situation in the last N years > > where 1/week for non-players would have been a hardship for em, and I > > couldn't

DIS: Re: BUS: Unsubscribe

You can unsubscribe through the mailman system at agoranomic.org. On 11/27/2017 10:09 PM, Sawsan Gad wrote: > Please unsubscribe me for the list. Thank you. > > > > This email (including any attachments) may include information that is > confidential or privileged only for the designated

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] Herald Election Decision Initiation (for real this time, hopefully...)

That is the intent. On 11/27/2017 09:38 PM, Owen Jacobson wrote: >> On Nov 24, 2017, at 8:52 PM, ATMunn wrote: >> >> right. >> >> CoE: The campaign proposal decision has to be in the same message as the >> main decision. >> >> I accept my CoE hereby initiate the Agoran

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3611 assigned to Aris

That was actually my request, so no! (I should have put "by G." after "Gratuitous arguments"). Much appreciated. On Tue, 28 Nov 2017, Aris Merchant wrote: > On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 4:53 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > On Tue, 28 Nov 2017, Publius Scribonius

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Bid

On Tue, 28 Nov 2017, Alex Smith wrote: > On Tue, 2017-11-28 at 09:09 -0800, Corona wrote: > > I was about to call that myself. How much is bribery of the Arbitor > > or a judge (or of other persons with official duties) frowned upon? > > Bribing a judge (except to put extra detail into a

DIS: Re: BUS: [ACU] Bank Statement

Thank you for this, o. I was wondering how we were going to keep track of bills and such. On 11/27/2017 11:57 PM, Owen Jacobson wrote: The Agoran Credit Union report Date of this report: Date of last report: N/A Chair: o Policy: Bills are meant to be a gently inflationary medium of

DIS: Re: BUS: Bid

On Tue, 2017-11-28 at 09:09 -0800, Corona wrote: > I was about to call that myself. How much is bribery of the Arbitor > or a judge (or of other persons with official duties) frowned upon? Bribing a judge (except to put extra detail into a judgement, without controlling the result) is looked down

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Anyone want to be interim Referee?

This is intentional, as far as I'm aware. On Tue, Nov 28, 2017, 01:45 Ørjan Johansen, wrote: > On Tue, 28 Nov 2017, Alexis Hunt wrote: > > > On Tue, 28 Nov 2017 at 01:03 Gaelan Steele wrote: > > > >> I support and do so. > >> > > > > This doesn't work as

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: [Arbitor] CFJ 3607 assigned to G. (and judged with help from ATMunn)

I agree with this new judgement. On 11/27/2017 10:26 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: On further consideration, I judge 3607 as follows (if it is in fact a CFJ): The method of calling (that differs depending on the result of whether VJ Rada is or is not a player) means that the result of this case may

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Arbitor] CFJ 3607 assigned to G. (and judged with help from ATMunn)

On Tue, 28 Nov 2017, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > > On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 2:23 PM, VJ Rada wrote: > > > >> It's not just can't register, it's CAN'T TAKE ANY GAME ACTIONS. Ok, sending a message to a public forum is a game action, right? (or is it - I'm a bit

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Contract] MiniNomic

Well, I think we'll just have it so that when the vote is resolved, the person who resolves it will repost the effects of the amendments (and possibly the new text of the contract) On 11/27/2017 9:31 PM, Owen Jacobson wrote: On Nov 24, 2017, at 12:27 PM, ATMunn

DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3611 assigned to Aris

On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 4:53 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > On Tue, 28 Nov 2017, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: >> I AP-CFJ, on behalf of VJ Rada, "Rule 2507 does not exist." This is >> because its enactment was INEFFECTIVE, per paragraph 3 clause 1 of Rule 217. >

DIS: Re: BUS: Objection!

On Tue, 28 Nov 2017, Corona wrote: > I doubt and CoE the Clork's and Treasuror's last weekly reports and > any other self-ratifying reports that do not recognize that all > actions attempted in my message with the header "Bid" succeeded and/or > explicitly or implicitly assert that at least one

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Objection!

Okay, sorry. Telnaior's report is probably the only on I needed to CoE anyways. On 11/28/17, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > On Tue, 28 Nov 2017, Corona wrote: >> I doubt and CoE the Clork's and Treasuror's last weekly reports and >> any other self-ratifying reports that do

DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ & Deregistration

I was also considering {V.J. Rada CAN shave all those who do not shave themselves} On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 8:53 AM, VJ Rada wrote: > (If I can take actions) > > I destroy 10 bills, get 1 shinies, and use it to create a contract > with the following text {This sentence is

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3609 assigned to G.

Good judgement. On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 7:35 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > CFJ 3609 Statement: >> > {{{ >> > It is LEGAL for me to pend the proposal "Self-Indulgence". >> > }}} > > > CFJ 3609 Judgement: > > This is the first case being judged where PARADOXICAL is

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ & Deregistration

True actually. I forgot that "all game actions" really means "all game actions of power 2 or less". On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 9:34 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > On Wed, 29 Nov 2017, VJ Rada wrote: >> Paradoxes are easy. > > Yup - if you can put arbitrary text into something

DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ & Deregistration

On Wed, 29 Nov 2017, VJ Rada wrote: > Paradoxes are easy. Yup - if you can put arbitrary text into something with legal status, it's trivial. Need to drag out the reasons from old precedents that basic contract loopiness from trivial paradoxes doesn't trigger PARADOXICAL wins, and see if that

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Request for H. Arbitor

Thank you. -Aris On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 6:30 PM, VJ Rada wrote: > https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/2017-November/037467.html > > On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 1:21 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: >> >> >> On phone for a few

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ & Deregistration

> On Nov 28, 2017, at 11:46 PM, VJ Rada wrote: > > Can't non-players own bills? Well, I thought not, but on futher review, maybe they can. Rule 2166 (“Assets”): Unless modified by an asset's backing document, ownership of an asset is restricted to Agora,

Re: DIS: Mail shenanigans

On Tue, 28 Nov 2017, Owen Jacobson wrote: Did anyone receive a message from me yesterday, addressed to a-b, purporting to distribute Agora’s assets? Message-ID f7c7dc62-8fb1-4b65-9606-5f27cbd7c...@grimoire.ca, if you see it and want to verify. I ask because it’s gone missing. I never

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: The black card issued to me was never issued.

> On Nov 29, 2017, at 1:38 AM, Aris Merchant > wrote: > > On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 9:48 PM Owen Jacobson wrote: >> >> >>> On Nov 28, 2017, at 11:51 PM, VJ Rada wrote: >>> >>> Cards issued for reasons that don't break

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ & Deregistration

> On Nov 28, 2017, at 10:00 PM, Alex Smith wrote: > > On Tue, 2017-11-28 at 21:57 -0500, Owen Jacobson wrote: >>> On Nov 28, 2017, at 4:53 PM, VJ Rada wrote: >>> >>> (If I can take actions) >>> >>> I destroy 10 bills, get 1 shinies, and use it to

DIS: Mail shenanigans

Did anyone receive a message from me yesterday, addressed to a-b, purporting to distribute Agora’s assets? Message-ID f7c7dc62-8fb1-4b65-9606-5f27cbd7c...@grimoire.ca, if you see it and want to verify. I ask because it’s gone missing. I never received it back, and have no idea if I should

DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ & Deregistration

Can't non-players own bills? On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 3:01 PM, Owen Jacobson wrote: > On Nov 28, 2017, at 4:53 PM, VJ Rada wrote: > >> Also I deregister. If I can take game actions. If I can't, I can't >> deregister. "but wait doesn't that mean Rada is a

DIS: Re: BUS: The black card issued to me was never issued.

That sentence is this "The Prime Minister issues a specified Card to a specified player". That's a general grant of power to the PM similar to the grant of power to the referee to issue cards by summary judgement. This doesn't take precedence over the rule which makes all cards ineffective unless

DIS: Re: BUS: The black card issued to me was never issued.

> On Nov 28, 2017, at 11:51 PM, VJ Rada wrote: > > Cards issued for reasons that don't break the rules or cards that are > obviously inappropriate are INNEFFECTIVE. The Dive rule which Alexis > used says "Notwithstanding rule 2426, the reason for the card >MAY be any

DIS: Re: BUS: The black card issued to me was never issued.

On Tue, 28 Nov 2017 at 23:51 VJ Rada wrote: > Cards issued for reasons that don't break the rules or cards that are > obviously inappropriate are INNEFFECTIVE. The Dive rule which Alexis > used says "Notwithstanding rule 2426, the reason for the card > MAY be any

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3611 assigned to Aris

On Wed, 29 Nov 2017, Alexis Hunt wrote: On Tue, 28 Nov 2017 at 20:24 Ørjan Johansen wrote: On Tue, 28 Nov 2017, Kerim Aydin wrote: Gratuitous Arguments H. Judge, I request you examine all the reasons that Slamming the Door may have failed (i.e. if it's interpreted

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Treasuror] Weekly Report

On Nov 28, 2017, at 4:15 AM, Telnaior wrote: > CoE: Aris paid me 15 shinies at 2017-11-27 01:04 UTC. Noted and accounted for. Thanks for catching it. I’ll include that once all of the outstanding CoEs are resolvable, or in next week’s report at the latest. signature.asc

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Request for H. Arbitor

https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/2017-November/037467.html On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 1:21 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > On phone for a few hours so won't go email hunting, but I assign telnaiors > below-mentioned CFJ to be 3612 and

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3611 assigned to Aris

Proto: amend r217 by taking out the whole rule-change voiding clause and replace with: RttCN, a person CAN always initiate 2 CFJs/week by announcement (other rules might allow more at an economic cost, but this is the baseline at power-3). On Wed, 29 Nov 2017, Ørjan Johansen wrote: > On Wed, 29

DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ & Deregistration

See paragraph 3 of Rule 2522. On Tue, 28 Nov 2017 at 21:57 Owen Jacobson wrote: > > > On Nov 28, 2017, at 4:53 PM, VJ Rada wrote: > > > > (If I can take actions) > > > > I destroy 10 bills, get 1 shinies, and use it to create a contract > > with the

DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ & Deregistration

On Tue, 2017-11-28 at 21:57 -0500, Owen Jacobson wrote: > > On Nov 28, 2017, at 4:53 PM, VJ Rada wrote: > > > > (If I can take actions) > > > > I destroy 10 bills, get 1 shinies, and use it to create a contract > > with the following text {This sentence is false. If the

DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ & Deregistration

Oop. Missed that, complied completely by accident. Thanks! -o > On Nov 28, 2017, at 10:00 PM, Alexis Hunt wrote: > > See paragraph 3 of Rule 2522. > > On Tue, 28 Nov 2017 at 21:57 Owen Jacobson wrote: > >> >>> On Nov 28, 2017, at 4:53 PM, VJ Rada

DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3611 assigned to Aris

On Tue, 28 Nov 2017, Kerim Aydin wrote: On Tue, 28 Nov 2017, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: I AP-CFJ, on behalf of VJ Rada, "Rule 2507 does not exist." This is because its enactment was INEFFECTIVE, per paragraph 3 clause 1 of Rule 217. This is CFJ 3611, I assign it to Aris.

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Anyone want to be interim Referee?

On Tue, 28 Nov 2017 at 20:16 Ørjan Johansen wrote: > On Tue, 28 Nov 2017, Alexis Hunt wrote: > > > This is intentional, as far as I'm aware. > > If by "this" you mean that supporters are allowed to be performers, I know > that, but my claim is that this is actually broken due

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3611 assigned to Aris

I agree with Ørjan. This CFJ is _not_ about this particular instance, it's about the adoption of the rule. The judgement should only consider whether the rule facially impermissably interferes with the right to judicial processes, not whether the rule interferes with that right as applied to me.

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3611 assigned to Aris

On Tue, 28 Nov 2017 at 20:24 Ørjan Johansen wrote: > On Tue, 28 Nov 2017, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > On Tue, 28 Nov 2017, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > >> I AP-CFJ, on behalf of VJ Rada, "Rule 2507 does not exist." This is > >> because its enactment was INEFFECTIVE,

DIS: Request for H. Arbitor

You obviously dismissed the CFJ I called that may or may not have existed. But Telnaior also called a CFJ questioning whether or not that CFJ existed. I request _that_ CFJ be urgently assigned, given the interference with my rights as an Agoran currently being undertaken. -- >From V.J. Rada

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: [Herald] Karma Report

> On Nov 27, 2017, at 7:18 PM, VJ Rada wrote: > > I give Agora 3 shinies, then claim a 5-shiny reward for the above report. > I’m late to the party on this, but neither of these two actions succeeded, for unrelated reasons. There is no way you had 3 sh. at the time (you

Re: DIS: Request for H. Arbitor

G. has assigned me a CFJ, and asked me to resolve all the issues in one place. I'll have a full judgement out in the next day or so (I'm actually aiming for the next few hours, but no promises). Given the equities involved, I'm going to tell you right now that the black card at least failed to

Re: DIS: Request for H. Arbitor

On Wed, 29 Nov 2017, VJ Rada wrote: > You obviously dismissed the CFJ I called that may or may not have > existed. But Telnaior also called a CFJ questioning whether or not > that CFJ existed. I request _that_ CFJ be urgently assigned, given the > interference with my rights as an Agoran

Re: DIS: Request for H. Arbitor

With that in mind I'll hold off as assigning it as that won't move things any faster and might confuse things more. On Wed, 29 Nov 2017, Aris Merchant wrote: > G. has assigned me a CFJ, and asked me to resolve all the issues in one > place. I'll have a full judgement out in the next day or so

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: Notice of Honor

On Tue, 28 Nov 2017, Corona wrote: This message was blocked for some reason It indeed doesn't seem to have reached any of the archives. Are you sure it was sent, and if so did you receive an error message? Greetings, Ørjan. On 11/28/17, Corona wrote: This

Re: DIS: Request for H. Arbitor

Sounds workable to me. -Aris On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 6:13 PM VJ Rada wrote: > If you assigned it to Aris that would provide a proper vehicle for > Aris to possibly decide that the Door Slam was impossible, as opposed > to the current CFJ e has which is about the adoption of

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ & Deregistration

On Tue, 28 Nov 2017, Kerim Aydin wrote: Keep in mind that it may not be all or nothing. Black Cards are only Power-2. So the RttCN clause in that Rule only applies to abilities of power 2 or less (if that approach is taken). So likely all the stuff like deregistration/registration works.

Re: DIS: Request for H. Arbitor

If you assigned it to Aris that would provide a proper vehicle for Aris to possibly decide that the Door Slam was impossible, as opposed to the current CFJ e has which is about the adoption of the whole rule On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 1:06 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > With

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Anyone want to be interim Referee?

On Wed, 29 Nov 2017, Alexis Hunt wrote: I mean that supporters are not allowed to perform actions restricted to specific players. For example, only the correct officer can resolve an officer-only intent. I'm pretty sure it still works if it's generally "any player CAN with 2 support". Oh.

Dependent Actions Proto (Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Anyone want to be interim Referee?)

I made a proto fix: {{{ Fix Dependent Actions (AI=3) Amend rule 1728 (Dependent Actions) by: 1. replacing A rule which purports to allow a person (the performer) to perform an action by by A rule which purports to allow a person to perform an action by [Dependent on

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Anyone want to be interim Referee?

On Tue, 28 Nov 2017, Alexis Hunt wrote: This is intentional, as far as I'm aware. If by "this" you mean that supporters are allowed to be performers, I know that, but my claim is that this is actually broken due to the phrasing of the rule. See also my proto message. Greetings, Ørjan.