Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Judgement of CFJ 3737

2019-06-17 Thread Reuben Staley
Does a "SHALL NOT" really count as "proscription"? I reiterate that, assuming a player has been given permission elsewhere, e still CAN perform an action that the rules state e SHALL NOT perform. On 6/16/19 3:47 PM, Jason Cobb wrote: This judgment is contradictory. By Rule 2125 [0], the Rules

DIS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] Metareport

2019-06-17 Thread Rebecca
CoE: there is no astronomor or clork post te sidegame suspension act On Mon, Jun 17, 2019 at 7:18 PM Edward Murphy wrote: > =Metareport= > You can find an up-to-date version of this report at > http://zenith.homelinux.net/adop/report.php > > Date of last report: 2019-05-19 > Date of

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Judgement of CFJ 3737

2019-06-17 Thread Reuben Staley
Both can be easily proven factually incorrect. Breathing is unregulated because the contract clearly does not allow, enable, or permit its performance, and the "SHALL NOT" in the contract does not limit its performance. The contract does prohibit breathing; one only needs to look in a

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Judgement of CFJ 3737

2019-06-17 Thread Jason Cobb
Sorry, by the contract not prohibiting breathing, I meant that the contract can say it prohibits breathing all it wants, but the Rules will not _enforce_ criminal liability for violations of that, thus the Rules wouldn't proscribe breathing. Jason Cobb On 6/17/19 2:29 PM, Reuben Staley

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Judgement of CFJ 3737

2019-06-17 Thread Kerim Aydin
I think V.J. Rada had it right - the Rules don't punish breathing, they punish breach-of-contract. The fact that breach-of-contract comes from breathing doesn't make the rules "reach into the contract" to regulate breathing. In particular this phrase in R1742 is interesting: Parties to

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Judgement of CFJ 3737

2019-06-17 Thread Jason Cobb
I suppose that makes sense. Though that does make me wonder if contracts can specify a crime other than a Class 2 Crime, since this clause doesn't say otherwise. Jason Cobb On 6/17/19 3:45 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: I think V.J. Rada had it right - the Rules don't punish breathing, they punish

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Referee] Weekly Report (rev. 1)

2019-06-17 Thread James Cook
On Mon, 17 Jun 2019 at 05:04, Jason Cobb wrote: > (This means that Corona was not a player from ~10 June to ~13 June > because ratification.) I don't think the "fugitive" vs. "player" distinction in the Referee weekly report is self-ratifying. It would be self-ratifying in a Registrar's report

Re: DIS: Fwd: Re: OFF: BUS: Plagarism

2019-06-17 Thread James Cook
On Mon, 17 Jun 2019 at 09:17, Edward Murphy wrote: > > Falsifian wrote: > > > I publish the below report, which was originally published by Trigon > > on June 6. I earn 5 Coins for publishing it. > > > > (The report fulfilled Trigon's duty to publish a weekly report, so it > > is a

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Referee] Weekly Report (rev. 1)

2019-06-17 Thread Jason Cobb
It would appear so, my apologies. Jason Cobb On 6/18/19 1:47 AM, James Cook wrote: On Mon, 17 Jun 2019 at 05:04, Jason Cobb wrote: (This means that Corona was not a player from ~10 June to ~13 June because ratification.) I don't think the "fugitive" vs. "player" distinction in the Referee

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] Metareport

2019-06-17 Thread Jason Cobb
Not to the public forum Jason Cobb On 6/17/19 8:09 AM, Rebecca wrote: CoE: there is no astronomor or clork post te sidegame suspension act On Mon, Jun 17, 2019 at 7:18 PM Edward Murphy wrote: =Metareport= You can find an up-to-date version of this report at

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3736 assigned to omd

2019-06-17 Thread Kerim Aydin
Hi omd, When a Motion to Reconsider is filed, I drop the old arguments entirely from the case log, so the old judgement isn't mistaken for precedent (there's no objective way of knowing whether motion-filers are objecting to minor portions, or the whole thing, and keeping both gets quite

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Judgement of CFJ 3737

2019-06-17 Thread Reuben Staley
Ah, indeed! So we have our conflict. I SHALL NOT interpret the rules so as to proscribe unregulated actions. The contract mandates a proscription on breathing, which is an unregulated action. By these two facts, I cannot come to the obviously correct conclusion that the contract proscribes

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Judgement of CFJ 3737

2019-06-17 Thread Jason Cobb
Whoops, modify both of those statements to only apply in the hypothetical. Jason Cobb On 6/17/19 2:20 PM, Jason Cobb wrote: You have two options that I can see (without being guilty of a crime). Either - Breathing is a regulated action, or - The contract does not prohibit breathing. Jason

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Judgement of CFJ 3737

2019-06-17 Thread Jason Cobb
You have two options that I can see (without being guilty of a crime). Either - Breathing is a regulated action, or - The contract does not prohibit breathing. Jason Cobb On 6/17/19 2:20 PM, Reuben Staley wrote: Ah, indeed! So we have our conflict. I SHALL NOT interpret the rules so as to

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Judgement of CFJ 3737

2019-06-17 Thread Kerim Aydin
On 6/17/2019 8:10 AM, Reuben Staley wrote: Does a "SHALL NOT" really count as "proscription"? I reiterate that, assuming a player has been given permission elsewhere, e still CAN perform an action that the rules state e SHALL NOT perform. From the dictionary I get: Proscribe - forbid,

DIS: Fwd: Re: OFF: BUS: Plagarism

2019-06-17 Thread Edward Murphy
Falsifian wrote: I publish the below report, which was originally published by Trigon on June 6. I earn 5 Coins for publishing it. (The report fulfilled Trigon's duty to publish a weekly report, so it is a duty-fulfilling report.) If this works at all, then it only works if you claim the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Judgement of CFJ 3737

2019-06-17 Thread Rebecca
We just discussed this last week! Yes, the rules CAN proscribe unregulated actions and do in fact. it's just illegal to formally interpret them that way, whether or not that interpretation is legally correct. On Mon, Jun 17, 2019 at 2:27 PM omd wrote: > On Sun, Jun 16, 2019 at 5:47 PM Jason