DIS: Sets Feedback

2020-05-22 Thread nch via agora-discussion
I know I said I didn't want to get bogged down in design choice debates but since the auction portion has to be rewritten (and it looks like the rewrite might be more complex than I thought), I wanted to get some feedback. As far as I see it, there's two main options right now: 1) Rewrite the a

Re: DIS: Sets Feedback

2020-05-22 Thread Rebecca via agora-discussion
The faithful option is the better one in this case. Half-baked mechanics often seem to lose interest immediately, preventing them from ever being amended into fully baked mechanics. On Sat, May 23, 2020 at 12:23 AM nch via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > I know I said

Re: DIS: Sets Feedback

2020-05-22 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 5/22/2020 7:22 AM, nch via agora-discussion wrote: > I know I said I didn't want to get bogged down in design choice debates but > since the auction portion has to be rewritten (and it looks like the rewrite > might be more complex than I thought), I wanted to get some feedback. > > As far

DIS: Do all auctions end immediately?

2020-05-22 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
Rule 2551: An Auction ends 7 days after its initiation, or immediately if no bid has been placed or withdrawn in the last 96 hours, or immediately if it is terminated. Since no bid can be made until the auction starts (that's in R2550), then on the instant after it starts, the

Re: DIS: Do all auctions end immediately?

2020-05-22 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Fri, May 22, 2020 at 12:08 PM Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > Rule 2551: > An Auction ends 7 days after its initiation, or immediately if no > bid has been placed or withdrawn in the last 96 hours, or > immediately if it is termin

Re: DIS: Do all auctions end immediately?

2020-05-22 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 5/22/2020 12:09 PM, Aris Merchant wrote: > On Fri, May 22, 2020 at 12:08 PM Kerim Aydin wrote: > >> >> Rule 2551: >> An Auction ends 7 days after its initiation, or immediately if no >> bid has been placed or withdrawn in the last 96 hours, or >> immediately if it is termina

DIS: Re: BUS: Registration

2020-05-22 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion
On Fri, May 22, 2020 at 3:43 PM Stefan Fjellander via agora-business wrote: > > Hereby, I register as a player. Welcome! By what name, would you like to be referred?

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Registration

2020-05-22 Thread Stefan Fjellander via agora-discussion
Bögtil, if non-ascii is ok? elsewise Bogtil Den fre 22 maj 2020 kl 22:00 skrev Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion : > On Fri, May 22, 2020 at 3:43 PM Stefan Fjellander via agora-business > wrote: > > > > Hereby, I register as a player. > > Welcome! By what name, would you like

Re: DIS: Do all auctions end immediately?

2020-05-22 Thread grok via agora-discussion
On Fri, May 22, 2020, 2:16 PM Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > On 5/22/2020 12:09 PM, Aris Merchant wrote: > > On Fri, May 22, 2020 at 12:08 PM Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > >> > >> Rule 2551: > >> An Auction ends 7 days after its initiation, or immed

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Registration

2020-05-22 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
No problem with non-ascii - Welcome, Bögtil! On 5/22/2020 1:14 PM, Stefan Fjellander via agora-discussion wrote: > Bögtil, if non-ascii is ok? elsewise Bogtil > > > Den fre 22 maj 2020 kl 22:00 skrev Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via > agora-discussion : > >> On Fri, May 22, 2020 at 3:43 PM

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Registration

2020-05-22 Thread Reuben Staley via agora-discussion
Non-ASCII is perfectly acceptable! Welcome to Agora, Bögtil! On Fri, May 22, 2020 at 2:15 PM Stefan Fjellander via agora-discussion wrote: > > Bögtil, if non-ascii is ok? elsewise Bogtil > > > Den fre 22 maj 2020 kl 22:00 skrev Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via > agora-discussion : > > > On Fri

DIS: Auction overhaul first cut

2020-05-22 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
First Proto for an auction overhaul (not really much shorter than current version should we golf this? :) ) Auctions generally: The Block is an entity. Any asset that CAN be owned by Agora CAN be owned by the block. A lot is a non-empty list of assets that belong to the block.

Re: DIS: Do all auctions end immediately?

2020-05-22 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Fri, May 22, 2020 at 1:19 PM grok via agora-discussion wrote: > > On Fri, May 22, 2020, 2:16 PM Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion < > agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > > > > On 5/22/2020 12:09 PM, Aris Merchant wrote: > > > On Fri, May 22, 2020 at 12:08 PM Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > >

Re: DIS: Auction overhaul first cut

2020-05-22 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion
\On Fri, May 22, 2020 at 4:32 PM Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > > > First Proto for an auction overhaul (not really much shorter than current > version should we golf this? :) ) > > Auctions generally: > > The Block is an entity. Any asset that CAN be owned by Agora CAN > be o

Re: DIS: Auction overhaul first cut

2020-05-22 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Fri, May 22, 2020 at 1:40 PM Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion wrote: e > > Within a timely fashion after such a publication, an entity with an > > assigned winning lot CAN and SHALL claim eir lot by paying a fee > > equal to eir bid to transfer the items in ei

Re: DIS: Auction overhaul first cut

2020-05-22 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 5/22/20 4:28 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > First Proto for an auction overhaul (not really much shorter than current > version should we golf this? :) ) > > Auctions generally: > > The Block is an entity. Any asset that CAN be owned by Agora CAN > be owned by the block.

Re: DIS: Do all auctions end immediately?

2020-05-22 Thread nch via agora-discussion
On Friday, May 22, 2020 3:35:45 PM CDT Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: > On Fri, May 22, 2020 at 1:19 PM grok via agora-discussion > > wrote: > > On Fri, May 22, 2020, 2:16 PM Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion < > > > > agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > > On 5/22/2020 12:09 P

Re: DIS: Auction overhaul first cut

2020-05-22 Thread nch via agora-discussion
On Friday, May 22, 2020 3:28:32 PM CDT Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > [ > TODO: what happens to exess lots? > TODO: zombie auction compatibilty (totems?) > ] We're on the same wavelength here. I was planning to propose turning zombie ownership into ownership of some asset that represen

DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 8377-8387

2020-05-22 Thread nch via agora-discussion
On Friday, May 22, 2020 3:23:59 PM CDT Jason Cobb via agora-official wrote: > RESOLUTION OF PROPOSALS 8377-8387 > = > > I hereby resolve the Agoran decisions to adopt the below proposals. > > The quorum for all below decisions was 5. Was 8382 intentionally skipped

Re: DIS: Do all auctions end immediately?

2020-05-22 Thread Stefan Fjellander via agora-discussion
Den fre 22 maj 2020 kl 22:59 skrev nch via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org>: > On Friday, May 22, 2020 3:35:45 PM CDT Aris Merchant via agora-discussion > wrote: > > On Fri, May 22, 2020 at 1:19 PM grok via agora-discussion > > > > wrote: > > > On Fri, May 22, 2020, 2:16 PM Ker

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 8377-8387

2020-05-22 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 5/22/20 5:06 PM, nch via agora-discussion wrote: > On Friday, May 22, 2020 3:23:59 PM CDT Jason Cobb via agora-official wrote: >> RESOLUTION OF PROPOSALS 8377-8387 >> = >> >> I hereby resolve the Agoran decisions to adopt the below proposals. >> >> The quorum for

Re: DIS: Do all auctions end immediately?

2020-05-22 Thread grok via agora-discussion
On Fri, May 22, 2020, 3:59 PM nch via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On Friday, May 22, 2020 3:35:45 PM CDT Aris Merchant via agora-discussion > wrote: > > On Fri, May 22, 2020 at 1:19 PM grok via agora-discussion > > > > wrote: > > > On Fri, May 22, 2020, 2:16 PM Ke

Re: DIS: Do all auctions end immediately?

2020-05-22 Thread nch via agora-discussion
On Friday, May 22, 2020 4:07:19 PM CDT you wrote: > > wait > why don't we just propose a new rule/amend the old one with a paragraph > which says something like either "a countdown which would terminate > something can't be started retroactively" or "the countdown for auction > termination can't

Re: DIS: Do all auctions end immediately?

2020-05-22 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Fri, May 22, 2020 at 2:09 PM grok via agora-discussion wrote: > I think what I'm actually suggesting is that there's enough precedent that > a sympathetic judge may stay eir judgment or issue a clarifying judgment in > favor of common practice to give players enough time to patch up the rule.

DIS: [proto] Talismans

2020-05-22 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
I've shamelessly stolen the name from Warrigal's dead contract. Title: Talismans Adoption index: 3.0 { For the purposes of this proposal, a player's prior master is eir master before this proposal applies any effects. Amend Rule 2532 to read, in whole: { Activity is a switch possessed by p

Re: DIS: Do all auctions end immediately?

2020-05-22 Thread grok via agora-discussion
On Fri, May 22, 2020 at 4:15 PM Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: > > On Fri, May 22, 2020 at 2:09 PM grok via agora-discussion > wrote: > > I think what I'm actually suggesting is that there's enough precedent that > > a sympathetic judge may stay eir judgment or issue a clarifying judgm

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 8377-8387

2020-05-22 Thread nch via agora-discussion
On Friday, May 22, 2020 4:08:31 PM CDT Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > On 5/22/20 5:06 PM, nch via agora-discussion wrote: > > On Friday, May 22, 2020 3:23:59 PM CDT Jason Cobb via agora-official wrote: > >> RESOLUTION OF PROPOSALS 8377-8387 > >> = > >> > >

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 8377-8387

2020-05-22 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Fri, May 22, 2020 at 2:43 PM nch via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On Friday, May 22, 2020 4:08:31 PM CDT Jason Cobb via agora-discussion > wrote: > > On 5/22/20 5:06 PM, nch via agora-discussion wrote: > > > On Friday, May 22, 2020 3:23:59 PM CDT Jason Cobb via a

Re: DIS: Auction overhaul first cut

2020-05-22 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion
On Fri, May 22, 2020 at 4:48 PM Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: > > On Fri, May 22, 2020 at 1:40 PM Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via > agora-discussion wrote: > > > [ > > > TODO: what happens to exess lots? > > > > One option that I can see would be to have it go to Lost and Found or

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Ministerial Referrals

2020-05-22 Thread Edward Murphy via agora-discussion
G. wrote: Really, the past is a bit of a red herring and shouldn't come into it (unless it was the immediate past and in most players' memory). The "Notice of Honour" label and form factor, the +1 and -1 and reasons for the chosen people, and a k-word of similar sound/length to the correct word

Re: DIS: Protos: Referral and High Crimes

2020-05-22 Thread Edward Murphy via agora-discussion
PSS wrote: If the Referee is the investigator and the Arbitor is not the perpetrator, the Arbitor is the Judge. If the Arbitor is the Investigator or the perpetrator, the Speaker is the Judge. Okay, so Rule 2478 includes this: The Referee is by default the investiga

Re: DIS: Protos: Referral and High Crimes

2020-05-22 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion
> On May 22, 2020, at 20:07, Edward Murphy via agora-discussion > wrote: > > PSS wrote: > >> If the Referee is the investigator and the Arbitor is not the >> perpetrator, the Arbitor is the Judge. If the Arbitor is the >> Investigator or the perpetrator, the Speaker is the

Re: BUS: [Proposal] Re: DIS: Protos: Referral and High Crimes

2020-05-22 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 11:24 AM Kerim Aydin via agora-business wrote: > > > On 5/21/2020 9:52 AM, nch via agora-discussion wrote: > > In retrospect those aren't the best examples, because we do use this pretty > > frequently for scams and releveling economies (there's even such a provision > > in