Re: (Attn: Murphy) in Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Referee] Summary Judgement
G. wrote: I called the CFJ on June 24 and argued that summary judgement DIDN'T prevent a payday: https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/2018-June/038657.html but I don't see it listed in the next Gazette so maybe it was missed? (this was also during the peak of the email troubles). It's 3648 and is in the latest Gazette. Some Gazettes omitted some open cases (I was incorrectly removing older entries just for being old, same as "recently delivered") but I think I found and re-added them all. Will assign new judges shortly to the straggling cases.
Re: (Attn: Murphy) in Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Referee] Summary Judgement
ATMunn's been sitting on it for a long time. On Fri, Jul 27, 2018 at 9:56 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > I called the CFJ on June 24 and argued that summary judgement DIDN'T > prevent > a payday: > > https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/ > agora-business/2018-June/038657.html > > but I don't see it listed in the next Gazette so maybe it was missed? > (this > was also during the peak of the email troubles). > > > On Thu, 26 Jul 2018, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > I thought I remembered CFJing on this question in the last few months, > but > > don't remember seeing the result (and couldn't find it in a quick Gazette > > search). Anyone remember? Boy I really really really need to get the > CFJ > > database up-to-date again. > > > > > > On Fri, 27 Jul 2018, Rebecca wrote: > > > I was sloppy with these, too. Summary Judgement fines are not > > > forgivable by definition. Therefore I am not eligible for a Ref salary > > > this month. > > > > > > On Sun, Jul 15, 2018 at 6:09 PM, Rebecca > wrote: > > > > There is one person recently late on reports (myself) and three > people > > > > very late on CFJs. One of them is Gaelan, a zombie, but the other two > > > > are PSS and ATMunn, who have no excuse. Those CFJs were assigned on > 24 > > > > June, and therefore became late on the 2nd of July. As today is just > > > > within the 14-day deadline for that time, I impose Summary Judgement > > > > on them. (By the way, Murphy emself has a SHALL obligation that e has > > > > missed to reassign these but I regard that as less important. > > > > > > > > I impose summary judgement on > > > > -Myself for not lodging a Referee Weekly Report last week > > > > -PSS for failing to judge the CFJ numbered 3645 > > > > -ATMunn for failing to judge CFJ 3648 > > > > > > > > The penalties I levy are as follows > > > > -I levy a 1-blot fine on myself, varying down from the Class-2 > default > > > > because the conduct was unintentional and there was no new > information > > > > to report. I designate this fine as forgivable and I designate the > > > > apology word "is". > > > > -I levy a 1-blot fine on PSS. I find that failing to judge a CFJ, > > > > which does not have a Class attached, is generally deserving of the > > > > lowest possible fine. I designate this fine as forgivable with the > > > > apology word "I". > > > > -I levy a 1-blot forgivable fine with the word "did" on ATMunn for > the > > > > same reasons as above. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > From V.J. Rada > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > From V.J. Rada > > > > > > > > > -- >From V.J. Rada
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Referee] Summary Judgement
the result never got judged (poke ATMunn). but to me the result is clear: the provision for making fines forgivable is _only_ contained within the Cold Hand of Justice Rule. On Fri, Jul 27, 2018 at 9:32 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > I thought I remembered CFJing on this question in the last few months, but > don't remember seeing the result (and couldn't find it in a quick Gazette > search). Anyone remember? Boy I really really really need to get the CFJ > database up-to-date again. > > > On Fri, 27 Jul 2018, Rebecca wrote: > > I was sloppy with these, too. Summary Judgement fines are not > > forgivable by definition. Therefore I am not eligible for a Ref salary > > this month. > > > > On Sun, Jul 15, 2018 at 6:09 PM, Rebecca > wrote: > > > There is one person recently late on reports (myself) and three people > > > very late on CFJs. One of them is Gaelan, a zombie, but the other two > > > are PSS and ATMunn, who have no excuse. Those CFJs were assigned on 24 > > > June, and therefore became late on the 2nd of July. As today is just > > > within the 14-day deadline for that time, I impose Summary Judgement > > > on them. (By the way, Murphy emself has a SHALL obligation that e has > > > missed to reassign these but I regard that as less important. > > > > > > I impose summary judgement on > > > -Myself for not lodging a Referee Weekly Report last week > > > -PSS for failing to judge the CFJ numbered 3645 > > > -ATMunn for failing to judge CFJ 3648 > > > > > > The penalties I levy are as follows > > > -I levy a 1-blot fine on myself, varying down from the Class-2 default > > > because the conduct was unintentional and there was no new information > > > to report. I designate this fine as forgivable and I designate the > > > apology word "is". > > > -I levy a 1-blot fine on PSS. I find that failing to judge a CFJ, > > > which does not have a Class attached, is generally deserving of the > > > lowest possible fine. I designate this fine as forgivable with the > > > apology word "I". > > > -I levy a 1-blot forgivable fine with the word "did" on ATMunn for the > > > same reasons as above. > > > > > > -- > > > From V.J. Rada > > > > > > > > -- > > From V.J. Rada > > > > -- >From V.J. Rada
(Attn: Murphy) in Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Referee] Summary Judgement
I called the CFJ on June 24 and argued that summary judgement DIDN'T prevent a payday: https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/2018-June/038657.html but I don't see it listed in the next Gazette so maybe it was missed? (this was also during the peak of the email troubles). On Thu, 26 Jul 2018, Kerim Aydin wrote: > I thought I remembered CFJing on this question in the last few months, but > don't remember seeing the result (and couldn't find it in a quick Gazette > search). Anyone remember? Boy I really really really need to get the CFJ > database up-to-date again. > > > On Fri, 27 Jul 2018, Rebecca wrote: > > I was sloppy with these, too. Summary Judgement fines are not > > forgivable by definition. Therefore I am not eligible for a Ref salary > > this month. > > > > On Sun, Jul 15, 2018 at 6:09 PM, Rebecca wrote: > > > There is one person recently late on reports (myself) and three people > > > very late on CFJs. One of them is Gaelan, a zombie, but the other two > > > are PSS and ATMunn, who have no excuse. Those CFJs were assigned on 24 > > > June, and therefore became late on the 2nd of July. As today is just > > > within the 14-day deadline for that time, I impose Summary Judgement > > > on them. (By the way, Murphy emself has a SHALL obligation that e has > > > missed to reassign these but I regard that as less important. > > > > > > I impose summary judgement on > > > -Myself for not lodging a Referee Weekly Report last week > > > -PSS for failing to judge the CFJ numbered 3645 > > > -ATMunn for failing to judge CFJ 3648 > > > > > > The penalties I levy are as follows > > > -I levy a 1-blot fine on myself, varying down from the Class-2 default > > > because the conduct was unintentional and there was no new information > > > to report. I designate this fine as forgivable and I designate the > > > apology word "is". > > > -I levy a 1-blot fine on PSS. I find that failing to judge a CFJ, > > > which does not have a Class attached, is generally deserving of the > > > lowest possible fine. I designate this fine as forgivable with the > > > apology word "I". > > > -I levy a 1-blot forgivable fine with the word "did" on ATMunn for the > > > same reasons as above. > > > > > > -- > > > From V.J. Rada > > > > > > > > -- > > From V.J. Rada > > > >
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Referee] Summary Judgement
I thought I remembered CFJing on this question in the last few months, but don't remember seeing the result (and couldn't find it in a quick Gazette search). Anyone remember? Boy I really really really need to get the CFJ database up-to-date again. On Fri, 27 Jul 2018, Rebecca wrote: > I was sloppy with these, too. Summary Judgement fines are not > forgivable by definition. Therefore I am not eligible for a Ref salary > this month. > > On Sun, Jul 15, 2018 at 6:09 PM, Rebecca wrote: > > There is one person recently late on reports (myself) and three people > > very late on CFJs. One of them is Gaelan, a zombie, but the other two > > are PSS and ATMunn, who have no excuse. Those CFJs were assigned on 24 > > June, and therefore became late on the 2nd of July. As today is just > > within the 14-day deadline for that time, I impose Summary Judgement > > on them. (By the way, Murphy emself has a SHALL obligation that e has > > missed to reassign these but I regard that as less important. > > > > I impose summary judgement on > > -Myself for not lodging a Referee Weekly Report last week > > -PSS for failing to judge the CFJ numbered 3645 > > -ATMunn for failing to judge CFJ 3648 > > > > The penalties I levy are as follows > > -I levy a 1-blot fine on myself, varying down from the Class-2 default > > because the conduct was unintentional and there was no new information > > to report. I designate this fine as forgivable and I designate the > > apology word "is". > > -I levy a 1-blot fine on PSS. I find that failing to judge a CFJ, > > which does not have a Class attached, is generally deserving of the > > lowest possible fine. I designate this fine as forgivable with the > > apology word "I". > > -I levy a 1-blot forgivable fine with the word "did" on ATMunn for the > > same reasons as above. > > > > -- > > From V.J. Rada > > > > -- > From V.J. Rada >
DIS: Re: BUS: [Referee] Summary Judgement
I was sloppy with these, too. Summary Judgement fines are not forgivable by definition. Therefore I am not eligible for a Ref salary this month. On Sun, Jul 15, 2018 at 6:09 PM, Rebecca wrote: > There is one person recently late on reports (myself) and three people > very late on CFJs. One of them is Gaelan, a zombie, but the other two > are PSS and ATMunn, who have no excuse. Those CFJs were assigned on 24 > June, and therefore became late on the 2nd of July. As today is just > within the 14-day deadline for that time, I impose Summary Judgement > on them. (By the way, Murphy emself has a SHALL obligation that e has > missed to reassign these but I regard that as less important. > > I impose summary judgement on > -Myself for not lodging a Referee Weekly Report last week > -PSS for failing to judge the CFJ numbered 3645 > -ATMunn for failing to judge CFJ 3648 > > The penalties I levy are as follows > -I levy a 1-blot fine on myself, varying down from the Class-2 default > because the conduct was unintentional and there was no new information > to report. I designate this fine as forgivable and I designate the > apology word "is". > -I levy a 1-blot fine on PSS. I find that failing to judge a CFJ, > which does not have a Class attached, is generally deserving of the > lowest possible fine. I designate this fine as forgivable with the > apology word "I". > -I levy a 1-blot forgivable fine with the word "did" on ATMunn for the > same reasons as above. > > -- > From V.J. Rada -- >From V.J. Rada
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Referee] Summary Judgement
It's fine, I just wanted to remind you of it for the future. On Sun, Jul 15, 2018 at 6:32 AM Rebecca wrote: > > Oops. That's not a mandate and there's no retracting fines, but > acknowledged, and I apologize. I thought it was only Christmas. > > There is a rule that says that fines are not effective if the > punishment imposed is manifestly inappropriate but that's only for the > value of the fine, so there's no challenging these fines in court, but > to be equitable, I suppose some remedy could be found where I write > your apologies for you or something. > > On Sun, Jul 15, 2018 at 8:18 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus > wrote: > > Please note Rule 1769 and the fact that it applies to all of these > > violations. > > On Sun, Jul 15, 2018 at 4:09 AM Rebecca wrote: > >> > >> There is one person recently late on reports (myself) and three people > >> very late on CFJs. One of them is Gaelan, a zombie, but the other two > >> are PSS and ATMunn, who have no excuse. Those CFJs were assigned on 24 > >> June, and therefore became late on the 2nd of July. As today is just > >> within the 14-day deadline for that time, I impose Summary Judgement > >> on them. (By the way, Murphy emself has a SHALL obligation that e has > >> missed to reassign these but I regard that as less important. > >> > >> I impose summary judgement on > >> -Myself for not lodging a Referee Weekly Report last week > >> -PSS for failing to judge the CFJ numbered 3645 > >> -ATMunn for failing to judge CFJ 3648 > >> > >> The penalties I levy are as follows > >> -I levy a 1-blot fine on myself, varying down from the Class-2 default > >> because the conduct was unintentional and there was no new information > >> to report. I designate this fine as forgivable and I designate the > >> apology word "is". > >> -I levy a 1-blot fine on PSS. I find that failing to judge a CFJ, > >> which does not have a Class attached, is generally deserving of the > >> lowest possible fine. I designate this fine as forgivable with the > >> apology word "I". > >> -I levy a 1-blot forgivable fine with the word "did" on ATMunn for the > >> same reasons as above. > >> > >> -- > >> From V.J. Rada > > > > -- > From V.J. Rada
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Referee] Summary Judgement
Oops. That's not a mandate and there's no retracting fines, but acknowledged, and I apologize. I thought it was only Christmas. There is a rule that says that fines are not effective if the punishment imposed is manifestly inappropriate but that's only for the value of the fine, so there's no challenging these fines in court, but to be equitable, I suppose some remedy could be found where I write your apologies for you or something. On Sun, Jul 15, 2018 at 8:18 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > Please note Rule 1769 and the fact that it applies to all of these violations. > On Sun, Jul 15, 2018 at 4:09 AM Rebecca wrote: >> >> There is one person recently late on reports (myself) and three people >> very late on CFJs. One of them is Gaelan, a zombie, but the other two >> are PSS and ATMunn, who have no excuse. Those CFJs were assigned on 24 >> June, and therefore became late on the 2nd of July. As today is just >> within the 14-day deadline for that time, I impose Summary Judgement >> on them. (By the way, Murphy emself has a SHALL obligation that e has >> missed to reassign these but I regard that as less important. >> >> I impose summary judgement on >> -Myself for not lodging a Referee Weekly Report last week >> -PSS for failing to judge the CFJ numbered 3645 >> -ATMunn for failing to judge CFJ 3648 >> >> The penalties I levy are as follows >> -I levy a 1-blot fine on myself, varying down from the Class-2 default >> because the conduct was unintentional and there was no new information >> to report. I designate this fine as forgivable and I designate the >> apology word "is". >> -I levy a 1-blot fine on PSS. I find that failing to judge a CFJ, >> which does not have a Class attached, is generally deserving of the >> lowest possible fine. I designate this fine as forgivable with the >> apology word "I". >> -I levy a 1-blot forgivable fine with the word "did" on ATMunn for the >> same reasons as above. >> >> -- >> From V.J. Rada -- >From V.J. Rada
DIS: Re: BUS: [Referee] Summary Judgement
Please note Rule 1769 and the fact that it applies to all of these violations. On Sun, Jul 15, 2018 at 4:09 AM Rebecca wrote: > > There is one person recently late on reports (myself) and three people > very late on CFJs. One of them is Gaelan, a zombie, but the other two > are PSS and ATMunn, who have no excuse. Those CFJs were assigned on 24 > June, and therefore became late on the 2nd of July. As today is just > within the 14-day deadline for that time, I impose Summary Judgement > on them. (By the way, Murphy emself has a SHALL obligation that e has > missed to reassign these but I regard that as less important. > > I impose summary judgement on > -Myself for not lodging a Referee Weekly Report last week > -PSS for failing to judge the CFJ numbered 3645 > -ATMunn for failing to judge CFJ 3648 > > The penalties I levy are as follows > -I levy a 1-blot fine on myself, varying down from the Class-2 default > because the conduct was unintentional and there was no new information > to report. I designate this fine as forgivable and I designate the > apology word "is". > -I levy a 1-blot fine on PSS. I find that failing to judge a CFJ, > which does not have a Class attached, is generally deserving of the > lowest possible fine. I designate this fine as forgivable with the > apology word "I". > -I levy a 1-blot forgivable fine with the word "did" on ATMunn for the > same reasons as above. > > -- > From V.J. Rada
